Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by Clemson_tennis, Mar 27, 2011.
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It's really not that hard to see UNC having a top program year in and year out. The fact they've been down the last few years is a little surprising. It should not be hard to get top players there. Great school and plenty of reasons to be there outside of tennis.
oh believe me I enjoyed seeing the Heels not make the tournament. But you gotta admit last season was a rare gem. They will be back this season.
who? Schnurr and Schneider are both quite good but unproven in college yet. EHO was a solid #1 last year but was not a world beater and was #3 the year before that. Who is this 4th #1? Please don't tell me you are talking about Brett Clark.
It is Hard. they are not a glamour name. they don't have that prestige attached to program. so it is harder to recruit. they don't have that tradition like UCLA, USC, Stanford and Duke.
Truly outstanding, HOFer
UNC has finished in the top 20 7 of the last 10 years. I guess your definition of top program is higher than mine.
Let's be real. At the very top of men's college tennis, there's only been a handful of teams over the last few years contenting for and winning the NCAA championship.
How is Schneider unproven in college? Preseason 17 in the country, has 7 ranked wins (including wins against a #1 acc player in Contini, Huegas who is damn good, and Wagland who is also a beast), rd16 AA, qualies for nat indoors, and wins ranked+1. I realize dual match pressure can be different, but damn you must have some high standards. I know he hasn't ripped it up like Clemson's guys though in the fall, right??
I really am not a fan of Brett Clark's game, but let's also give the guy some credit. 14-5, also 7 ranked wins, finals the Regional and beats Silverman. Pretty average fall.
Schnurr is 500 in the world. You think it's going to be a huge transition to being a good college player hahahhaha cmon get serious.
Any college coach knows UNC can be top 10 on paper this year. Ask anyone.
And to respond to the person who said that it is historically tougher to get kids there than Duke, Stanford, etc, this is really the truth. The fact Brian Kalbas consistently fields one of the best teams in the country every year shows just how good he is. With the exception of this year getting pretty much the best two recruits available, he has always gotten girls who are passed over and improve a lot. The men have been good, but have underachieved in many circumstances in my opinion.
Duke in the same league as Stanford, UCLA, and USC? You have to be kidding me. They have never reached a NCAA semi, they have never had a NCAA champion, and their highest ranked pro, I think, was Michael Yani. Lately, since Ramsey Smith became Coach, they are recruiting better, but they still are unable to land a really big prize. They were after Mitchell Frank and Weirsholm and lost both to Virginia, Schneider was also interested in them and he went to UNC. This run that they have had is probably the best they have ever done, but just shows them to be a solid but not a great team.
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ACC teams already in action today:
#36 Florida State def. #71 North Florida 4-0
1. Benjamin Lock (FSU) vs. Norbert Nemcsek (UNF) 7-6 (4) 4-6 2-1
2. Dominic Cotrone (FSU) def. Caio Gomes (UNF) 6-1 6-2
3. Blake Davis (FSU) def. Jack Findel-Hawkins (UNF) 6-4 6-4
4. Cristian Gonzalez Mendez (FSU) vs. Yannick Zuern (UNF) 3-6 6-3 1-2
5. Michael Rinaldi (FSU) def. Zach Goldberg (UNF) 6-3 6-2
Jose Gracia (FSU) def. Pablo Tellez (UNF) 6-2 6-1
#19 Wake Forest 9 def. Coastal Carolina 0
Jan 11, 2014 at Winston-Salem, N.C. (Indoor Tennis Center)
1. #20 Romain Bogaerts (WF) def. TSANGARIDIS, Philipp (COASTAL) 6-0, 6-4
2. #59 Adam Lee (WF) def. YEDIGARIAN, Garik (COASTAL) 6-5 (7-3), 6-5 (7-3)
3. Maksim Kan (WF) def. NILSSON, Ted (COASTAL) 6-2, 6-3
4. Jon Ho (WF) def. AL-MUTAWA, Jabor (COASTAL) 6-2, 6-0
5. Pedro Dumont (WF) def. TIMMERMAN, Rick (COASTAL) 6-1, 6-2
6. Aws Laaribi (WF) def. CHRISTOFIDES, Leo (COASTAL) 6-0, 6-1
7. Jaya Billa (WF) def. WHALEN, Hunter (COASTAL) 6-1, 6-4
8. Sam Bloom (WF) def. SAMED, Renan (COASTAL) 6-4, 6-2
1. #30 Adam Lee/Pedro Dumont (WF) def. TSANGARIDIS, Philipp/CHRISTOFIDES, Leo (COASTAL) 6-4
2. Jon Ho/Sam Bloom (WF) def. NILSSON, Ted/AL-MUTAWA, Jabor (COASTAL) 6-4
3. Romain Bogaerts/Maksim Kan (WF) def. SAMED, Renan/TIMMERMAN, Rick (COASTAL) 6-1
4. Laaribi/Delcore (WF) def. Yedigarian/Jakubov (Coastal) 6-4
Order of finish: Doubles (3,2); Singles (6,5,4,7,1,3,8,2)
Wake's line-up doesn't look that much more intimidating than last years. Not as scary as I thought.
Martin Redlicki beat Nelson Vick in the qualies of a florida future 4-6 6-3 6-2.
He also beat Jeremy Efferding last week.
Nico Alvarez - DUKE
How good is Alvarez going to be for Duke? Lost in the semi's of the coffee bowl and won the doubles, also highly seeded Copa Gatorade. ITF ranking of 63. Destroyed M. McDonald earlier this year from UCLA
obviously too soon to tell, but i think he'll be very good - not cunha good, but let's say saba good (which i say with a lot of respect, given how good saba has become - looking forward to seeing more of saba this year, after watching him outgrind giron until the match was called in NCAAs last year)
if the younger redlicki and alvarez stick around all four years and keep getting better, they could be the start of another few years of very tough teams for duke that feel like legit contenders again - i expect that feeling to be lacking this year
Yeah, this is going to be a very tough year for the Dookies what with all the injuries. Next year they will be overloaded with good talent, definitely legit, but will that be enough to get them over the top and become ncaa champs? Let's watch how Tahir and the older Redlicki perform. If they have good years, then Duke might be primed for a real run at the crown next year.
Duke still has plenty of talent this year, but UVa and UNC are very tough competition in the conference. A key will be coming up with new doubles pairings with Cunha graduated and Mengel redshirting due to injury. The doubles talent is there, but new pairings will have to develop chemistry. We also don't know if UNC is coming up with good doubles teams.
A lot of these questions are going to be answered in the next month, although it is also true that lots of teams improve between the indoors and May.
I think wake is right in that mix too, they beat duke last year and are better this year as is unc, duke is a little down from last year as is UVA
I thought that too, but looking at Wake's lineup there is nothing particularly intimidating about it. They have a much stronger #1 this year than they did a year ago but arguably a weaker 2 and 3. lee is good and a human backboard but at #2 better shotmakers will expose his weaknesses much more so than what players were able to do at #4. Ho is up one spot from a year ago It's hard to tell what Kan will do at #3. Dumont is a solid but not great lower line-up player. #6 is a battle for them. At one time I thought they would be a top 16 team this year but now I think they will only be marginally better than last year.
Impressive win for UNC today against East Carolina. Schnur playing one easily handled Vliegen who won the ITA regional in the fall: 3,0. Schneider playing two also won 3,0. Esben Hess-Olesen did not play.
Duke's lineup for Elon is up. Tahir is playing #1, but no Redlicki. What's up with that? Another injury? Do they think they don't need him? Something else?
Duke is in bad shape. That was an incredibly weak third set by Tahir. Hemmeler was one of the top point getters last year along with Tahir and now it seems they are above their heads. UNC creams them 4-0. And where was Redlicki?
I think Saba will be #1 in short order, maybe for Sunday's match with Kentucky. Redlicki's absence hurts the doubles lineup as well as the singles lineup. They will be underdogs against UK, and UK is not exactly a national contender this year.
UNC also rested Nelson Vick. Steiro would drop to #6 with the missing players added, and Vick would probably be #5. Neither is a great player, but they will be pretty good at 5/6 against most teams. Brett Clark at #4 is also pretty good against most teams.
Was at the Duke match. Redlicki is hurt. He was wearing a brace and noticeably limping when walking around.
clark u have no idea what u r talking about.....duke was flat vs elon....5-2 vs kentucky from duke....coming from a sec fan
Hear my prediction clark and you wont like it, UV will lose an ACC match this year, UNC or WFU will get them
yikes, losing to elon, no bueno
getting to final 16 in the spring should be the goal for this team, probably just a top 30 team if / when redlicki gets back in form
that loss is on hemmeler - tahir was playing a good player so can't give him too much grief even if a bad third set - hemmeler can't lose at 4 to elon
Why would I care about your predictions?
now Ho is at 3
And now he is at 4 again with Kan at 3 for the second match of the doubleheader.
Wake beat East Tennessee State 5-3 in a match with seven singles. Billa lost at #7, Laaribi lost at #6, Ho lost at #4 in a tiebreaker at 5-5 in the third (new format) after leading by a break in the third, and Adam Lee led by 4-2 in the third and had to win a tiebreaker after losing the break. Match was 4-3 at that point, last match on.
Interesting, after Elon upset Duke, that UVa's first dual match will be on Friday the 24th in the ITA Kickoff Weekend against ... Elon.
I'm not impressed by Wake. The new guys have a lot of proving to do in the dual season if this supposed big jump is going to happen.
Yea tough year coming from duke. Next year is the big one with everyone mostly bCk. Ofcourse Alvarez won't be Cunha he wAs best ever at Duke but he can be a top 20 kid. His results are amazing. The redlickis together at doubles. Top 5 team next year. Will take time this year but a very good year will beElite 8 too much to overcome
Notre Dame dispatched W&M with ease without Monaghan in the line-up. They are looking solid. Nobody is talking about them but the Irish could make a pretty big impact in year 1 in the ACC.
Yeah wake will only probably beat clemson 7-0 or 6-1 this year, and maybe finish top 10, you are right, unimpressive....bogaerts will finish top 10, kan will be top 100 and dumont has won his last 15 dual matches....oh and lee is 28-2 in his last 30 dual matches, so unimpressive
Absolutely no way Wake finishes top 10. Like I said Lee is now #2. I don't know of you have ever seen Lee play but his still is basically be a brick wall. That works wonders in the lower spots of the line-up but at #2 he will lose many more matches. Hell he's already had 3 tough matches at #2 vs lesser opponents. You seem to have a lot of faith in Kan. Not sure where that is coming from.
Wake will have an upset or two this year but they are not so much better than last year. #1 is stronger yes. 2-4 are weaker however. 5 stronger this year and 6 a complete mystery.
I suppose East Tennessee State will be about top 20 in that case. UVa is supposed to watch out for the upset from Wake Forest, who barely beat ETSU. Lucky UVa does not have to play ETSU this year; that might be another upset possibility, and you cannot survive that many upset possibilities in one year. I thought we needed to worry about UCLA, USC, Georgia et al., but it turns out that Wake Forest is our big concern.
I guess I'm just silly and go off results and lee's results say he's going to be pretty damn good at 2. Kan was a top 5 recruit, Laaribi has wins over Gomez from ky and Bader from penn st, clearly excellent at 6, Delcore is ranked 90 and can't crack the lineup, they finished 19 last year and are better this year so yes they have a shot at top 10....atleast that's what the results say
I hear what you're saying. Not jumping on the Wake bandwagon. I guess the guy is saying in the ACC Wake has a shot and he's pumped thinking they can get second in the conf. Realistically Wake's chances to win the ACC is a remote one at best. Like Clemson said, I like Notre Dame's team too, not to win but to contend deep in the conf. standings. UNC will also be good. The ACC is stronger this year. The battle for 2nd place will be very interesting to me. Maybe the toughness of the ACC will benefit inner-conf. play as it has the SEC in the past. 2nd-4th place teams could all be top 20.
The way I see each ACC team as opposed to last year... tell me which ones you guys disagree on
Virginia - a little worse
Duke - much worse
North Carolina - much better
Wake Forest - the same
NC State - much better
Florida State - the same
Clemson - worse
Georgia tech - slightly better
Miami - the same
Virginia Tech - the same
Boston College - doesn't matter
Notre Dame - better
Wake has balls and that I like. They beat Duke last year when nobody thought it was possible.
At least until they played Northwestern.
duke takes this ridiculous new doubles point against UK
should make for a close match now, i would think they could get 2 or 3 singles wins, maybe... (saba, hemmeler, and levine if i had to pin my hopes on a few guys in this one)
Semenzato and Hemmeler were down 5-2 at #2 dubs and came back to win 6-5 to clinch the point.
Kentucky takes 3 of the 4 6-5 sets. That's the difference right now.
Wake beat etsu 5-2 and won every first set, was 4-0 in about 90 min, interesting definition of barely....etsu not top 20 but maybe top 50, like Clemson level
Duke goes down 3-4
Bruno tough tough tiebreak loses
Hemmeler needs to get it going
Levine impressive and Saba nice two wins so far
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