Djokovic won his 1st slam at 20 in 2008.Let’s not write these guys off just yet. Djoker broke though during his age-24 season.
This is only coric’s age-22 season and Zverev’s age 21 season. Coric seems like a good bet. But I worry that he will break down. He has already had knee surgery.
Zverev seems like the best bet. But Djoker and Nadal will make him wait a couple more years.
Djokovic won his 1st slam at 20 in 2008.
Shots can improve. He’s tall enough and has strong legs. Just needs to get the technique down. He has a decent serve speed but has no accuracy at all. Way too many DFs and shots in the middle of the service boxChung’s serve will never allow him to get a slam.
It’ll be either Sascha or Coric probably. I’m banking on Coric because I don’t think Zeverev has the tools for Bo5.
Thiem is the NextGen's spiritual leader, but he's squarely in his prime so now at age 25 no longer NextGen.Ah. Got it. I thought that you meant the next person to dominate for a year. I misread your statement.
I think Coric could be the next guy to win a slam. But I think that Zverev could be the next guy to dominate. Coric will probably be too injury prone.
This excludes Thiem because he is not next-gen, right?
Otherwise, my answer would have been Thiem on both accounts.
Neither does Coric so far.Chung’s serve will never allow him to get a slam.
It’ll be either Sascha or Coric probably. I’m banking on Coric because I don’t think Zeverev has the tools for Bo5.
Djoker by age 22:Let’s not write these guys off just yet. Djoker broke though during his age-24 season.
This is only coric’s age-22 season and Zverev’s age 21 season. Coric seems like a good bet. But I worry that he will break down. He has already had knee surgery.
Zverev seems like the best bet. But Djoker and Nadal will make him wait a couple more years.
Its really quite a crop with Edmund turning 24 in January getting back on track after multiple Tonsil issues have derailed his year, but now has moved back up to 13 in the ATP race. With his serve and forehand plus the rest of his game, a slam can't be ruled out down the road. He's got an excellent chance of making top ten next year.Let’s not write these guys off just yet. Djoker broke though during his age-24 season.
This is only coric’s age-22 season and Zverev’s age 21 season. Coric seems like a good bet. But I worry that he will break down. He has already had knee surgery.
Zverev seems like the best bet. But Djoker and Nadal will make him wait a couple more years.
Yeah, but the competition level was still low during that period as the vacuum window of 2003--2007 got shut.Djoker by age 22:
1 Slam title, 1 additional slam final, 5 additional slam semis, 5 masters titles, no.3 in the world.
Coric by age 22:
Marakech and Halle titles LOL and no slam QF.
Your Next Gen players would have still been trashed in that "vacuum" era an would have been slamless Including ThiemYeah, but the competition level was still low during that period as the vacuum window of 2003--2007 got shut.
Ah. Got it. I thought that you meant the next person to dominate for a year. I misread your statement.
I think Coric could be the next guy to win a slam. But I think that Zverev could be the next guy to dominate. Coric will probably be too injury prone.
This excludes Thiem because he is not next-gen, right?
Otherwise, my answer would have been Thiem on both accounts.
To be quite fair, junkballing was not the only highlight of the 2003 – 2007. Let’s take another look at the highlights now, shall we?Your Next Gen players would have still been trashed in that "vacuum" era an would have been slamless Including Thiem
FAA, Tsitsi, Shapo, Zverev and Coric have potential to win all four slams.
I would have said the same before this season. Now Shapo explicitly targeting RG.The day Shapovalov wins the French, I will reconsider all my values and beliefs.
Why not mention how Anderson is suddenly reaching multiple slam finals and Isner is suddenly reaching slam semis in this strong era?To be quite fair, junkballing was not the only highlight of the 2003 – 2007. Let’s take another look at the highlights now, shall we?
- top-competition high-mileage Sampras limping toward retirement bench
- brokeback Agassi crawling into slam finals between acid hits and cortison injections
- Safin already spiritual leader of Eurasia playing tennis part-time still all over slams
- 3.5-volley Roddick firmly stuck in top 10, waltzing all over slam finals
- Witten-Fish-Nalbandian alternate between buffet eating contests, deep slam draws, and weight-loss clinics
- Baghdatis eats 20 hotdogs between slam semis and finals
- Ginepri torn up between Atlanta 4.5 playoffs and USO semis
- goes on and on
Shapo is the new version of your favorite player Roddick and shares similar prospects when it comes to clay. If he converts better, maybe he can end up with a nicer slam tally overall than A-Rod who lost a lot of finals.I would have said the same before this season. Now Shapo explicitly targeting RG.
ur fed sucks like an old german vacuumWhy not mention how Anderson is suddenly reaching multiple slam finals and Isner is suddenly reaching slam semis in this strong era?
Or how Zverev is in the top 5 and vulnerable to every top 50 player in slams.
Or how Thiem is useless off clay despite being 25 now and is vulnerable to every top 30 player off clay. And he is in the top 10. And he is the 2nd best on clay with no masters titles on the surface.
I could go on, but you understand the gist
Agree Shapo is very much in the Roddick stats box that's why its critical he keep making progress on return. Hoping for something from Shapo here at the end of the year as his serve seems to be heading in the right direction.Shapo is the new version of your favorite player Roddick and shares similar prospects when it comes to clay. If he converts better, maybe he can end up with a nicer slam tally overall than A-Rod who lost a lot of finals.
Fittingly, Roddick also made a semi in a clay masters (Rome) at age 19, also eventually getting stopped by a handsome German similarities abound.
Agree Shapo is very much in the Roddick stats box that's why its critical he keep making progress on return. Hoping for something from Shapo here at the end of the year as his serve seems to be heading in the right direction.
By the way Rublev v Kyrgios first round clash at Kremlin days away.
Awww, how nice of youur fed sucks like an old german vacuum
I'm sorry I'm SoBad.Awww, how nice of you
I really never figured out that you were emulating SoBad. Haven't seen that poster in a long time. Wonder what happened to him.I'm sorry I'm SoBad.
It was easier for Roddick early because Poly had not made big inroads outside of the clay courters.Yes, they are a bit of the same type of player stat-wise.
Still. Shap's current (last year) stats: SPW: 65.6% and RPW: 35.1%.
Roddick in 2001, when he was Shapo's age (4–5 months younger): SPW: 69.9%, RPW: 36.3%. What an impressive youngster.
So perhaps Shapo would be lucky to match Roddick's impressive consistency near the top too. What do I know. Or perhaps the current trend of later development of players allows Denis to still reach Roddickesque heights.
Stopped posting just a little over a year ago. I think my two last replies were complete quotes with no changes hehe. I loved Sobad's style so enjoying the excavation of his nearly 10,000 posts. His 2003-2007 diatribe I love because I can fight back against the whole comparison thing short and sweet.I really never figured out that you were emulating SoBad. Haven't seen that poster in a long time. Wonder what happened to him.
Except I don't think young Djokovic and Murray would find it difficult breaking through in this era.Stopped posting just a little over a year ago. I think my two last replies were complete quotes with no changes hehe. I loved Sobad's style so enjoying the excavation of his nearly 10,000 posts. His 2003-2007 diatribe I love because I can fight back against the whole comparison thing short and sweet.
You brought up Djoko and he and Murray are the fairest comparisons with what NextGen face, but still I think it was easier for them to break in. Basically they had Roddick (Cilic/Anderson type by then with bigger serve and less ground game), young Nadal on hard courts, and Fed starting to falter. I'll take Fed 2017 over Fed 2008. Nadal 2017 over Nadal 2008 on hard courts and not all that far off on clay to his peak clay year in 2008. Djoko2018 definitely rougher customer than 2008 Djoko. We could argue over all these details and its just much easier for me to go to the SoBad playbook and then we really avoid the whole discussion for what must be the hundredth time on TTW. My adaption "Yeah, but the competition level was still low during that period as the vacuum window of 2003--2007 got shut." much betterer and much more succinct than the rest of this paragraph.
My new term Diamond Age is what I see coming up. I doubt any of these players will be big 3 dominant, but I do think they will be around the Agassi level in accomplishments. So for four to have such great prospects and perhaps Coric (who might shed his choking ways yet) as a Murray type is really quite good. Much of the rest of the top 20 is almost in the bag pretty much with the list above and they are a very, very nice group of players to watch.
If one-legged Coric can compete with Djoko in top form they all have hope and I think as a group they will take their toll much like with what happened to Nadal at US Open with Khach, Basha, and then Thiem gauntlet. Federe got bled my Med early in Shanghai and was ripe for the picking come Coric after Nishikori match. Its just a matter of time before Djoko's aura gets tarnished and we have to remember Shanghai has been a great surface for him. The much faster Paris, WTF, and Auz Open will be a different kettle of fish from what he was used to pre 2016.
The game is afoot big time and its a very interesting time, as in the Strong Era. If only Murray could come back then we'd have a perfect storm of young and old. One more Auz for Federe would be fine by me.
Pretty delusional if you think 2007/2008 Djokoray better than 2017 Fedal or 2018 combo of the three. I'm not so sure their pushery would have fared all that well either in the current environment. Djoko on clay would be fine rolled 10 years forward, but still would have been crushed by Nadal. I look at 2011 Djoko v Nadal run ins and not all that impressed except for 2011 US Open level.Except I don't think young Djokovic and Murray would find it difficult breaking through in this era.
Not at all delusional. Maybe 2017 Fedal looked good because there was no one young pushing them out. And it's true.Pretty delusional if you think 2007/2008 Djokoray better than 2017 Fedal or 2018 combo of the three. I'm not so sure their pushery would have fared all that well either in the current environment. Djoko on clay would be fine rolled 10 years forward, but still would have been crushed by Nadal. I look at 2011 Djoko v Nadal run ins and not all that impressed except for 2011 US Open level.
Zedrot is a good whipping boy. I sense some wind in his sails here at the end of 2018 so we'll see. He's definitely treading water post clay.Not at all delusional. Maybe 2017 Fedal looked good because there was no one young pushing them out. And it's true.
2007 Djokovic and 2008 Djokovic >>> Zverev.
2008 Murray >>>> Zverev too.
none of them has done nothing remarkable but zverev 5 masters finals ,won 3 ,hate as much as you want but none of those nextgen is better than him RIGHT NOW .
Pretty delusional if you think 2007/2008 Djokoray better than 2017 Fedal or 2018 combo of the three. I'm not so sure their pushery would have fared all that well either in the current environment. Djoko on clay would be fine rolled 10 years forward, but still would have been crushed by Nadal. I look at 2011 Djoko v Nadal run ins and not all that impressed except for 2011 US Open level.
None of them are special. All of them have either major holes in their game or just a lack of Slam level upside.The sad truth is that none of them look very special to me. I hope Chung gets his act together as he does have some distinguishing characteristics
I hope De Minaur but probably Zverev or Coric.
2.5.How much did it hurt to post that? From 1 to 10.
2.5.
Well Djoko exposed badly in RG SF versus Federe; no excuses for that debacle.?????
2.6 then. No more, no less.Liar. Lying man poasting!
2.6 then. No more, no less.
It would be Cilic, Anderson , Nishikori , RAonic and ISner who would win slams if Big 3 fade and not Coric and Zverev.
Let us see who among the NextGen made the WTF - just Zed alone - and he made a lone grand slam QF and that too Winning multiple 5 setters
Momentum is with young players at the moment. There are 6 young (ish) players quite high in the rankings who are at career highs: Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Khachanov, De Minaur, Coric and Edmund.
Together have they made more than 1 QF at a major ? Majors are a different breed than Marrakech and Antalya.