PerilousPear
Professional
I think he had it the worst at AO. He got took to 5 by Tipsarevic and lost to Djokovic in straights. I don't think even an average form Federer loses a slam match in straights.
At what tourament did mono hurt Fed the most?
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Tennis_Freak99
Legend
A 'fit' Fed would've lost that day to Novak too. Get over it dude it's been 12 years
PerilousPear
Professional
There were 3 slams in which he had mono
RS
Bionic Poster
He was 5-3 up in the first set though.....
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Those who have no problem with Djokovic not being in full physical shape at 2016 USO but disbelieve Federer not being in full physical shape at 2008 AO are basic hypocrites, simple.
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
Some say he still has it to this very day
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
It laid dormant for a while but came raging back for 2 points in 2019.
An insidious and unpredictable condition it is.
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
There is a difference between acknowledging that a player was going through something and a full blown attempt to de-signify the victory of the opponent. Djokovic won fair and square the way he played, a fully fit Roger would've taken it to 4 or 5 but still would've lost.
2016 USO would've had the same result either way, Novak being fit or not. Wawrinka knows how to exploit Djokovic's game and that's what he would have done against a fit Novak also. The main issues with Novak were mental after 2016 FO and he is himself to blame for that.
Also, How many threads do you see here about '2016 USO'. I hear the mono story every week here LOL
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Noel played well, just don't pretend Fred was in peak form.
RS
Bionic Poster
It meant being tiresome he looked very sweaty and hot in that torn. Djokovic might have won anyway he superb any Federer would find it very hard.Too bad he realised he had mono right before serving for the set
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I agree with this post.
You probably hear the mono story a lot because people still doubt it.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Failing to serve for the set wasn't the issue per se. It was going from 5-3 to 1-5 in the second.Too bad he realised he had mono right before serving for the set
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
Yeah a lot of that is also the result of the brutal 5 setter he had with Tipsarevic
Nadal_Django
Legend
He lost to effing Volandri in of those so called ultimate Peak years 2 and 4. Did he have mono also then. Bad days happens, defeats happens. That's sports...
buddy let's start counting from 1 to 3
beard
Legend
This, this, and milion times this...
LooooooL
beard
Legend
Sorry but no, just no...
Example is even this thread... OP don't doubt mono at all... No Djok or Nad fan started talking about mono...
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
And so visibly obvious, too. No stats on perspiration though, so eye test it is. 'Uh oh'. He still played some good ball, so the 'black or white' brigade can get rekt.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Usually in response to it being called into question. Also, the lack of US 2016 attention subsumes the exaltation of its significance, so silver linings, ay.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Hey, it could be worse, you know, like getting injured every time he loses. Now who does that sound like, I wonder? Mono at least lasted just a year, less than that actually.
Silverbullet96
Hall of Fame
Djokovic's foot thing was only during the Final iirc ? Not the whole tournament.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Mono lasted about 3-4 months.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
He at least made up for that loss by at least winning a couple of Masters, three Slams, and the Masters Cup. Like you say, bad days happen, but Fed never really made up for his bad losses in 2008.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Which itself is a product of Federer's struggles.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Depends who you talk to. Time was when Wimbledon 2008 was also blamed on mono. Even then, not even a year.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I don't blame Wimb 2008 on mono. I blame it on the FO final.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
That I would too. Not that he HAD mono then, but he was still recovering. And I blame it for how badly he played, not that he would have won otherwise. It was Nadal.
RaulRamirez
Legend
I guess this would be an interesting tooic if expressed opinions weren't used to advance various one-sided, ill-reasoned (pun unavoided) arguments.
Honestly, who cares. Tennis players don't always play when feeling 100%, or when peak or prime.
The other day it was discussed that Tsonga claimed that Rafa was ill before losing to Soderling at RG09. Could be, but who cares. Soderling deserved to win, and Fed deserved to win that year's FO.
Honestly, who cares. Tennis players don't always play when feeling 100%, or when peak or prime.
The other day it was discussed that Tsonga claimed that Rafa was ill before losing to Soderling at RG09. Could be, but who cares. Soderling deserved to win, and Fed deserved to win that year's FO.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Did he get to 40-15?Too bad he realised he had mono right before serving for the set
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Fed agrees, sadly. I've heard him say the same thing.
If he didn't walk on court so shook maybe he would've capitalized on those BPs in the first couple sets and not dug himself into such a big hole to begin with.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
I feel the same way.
Federer won 7/8 HC slams in 2004-2007. I once asked a question: What is the name of the opponent that played at a comparable HC Slam level to 2008 AO Djokovic apart from Safin who defeated Fed? I think it was @mike danny who answered that it could be Davydenko at AO 2006. While I didn't watch the match, I find it hard to believe. You could maybe throw in Agassi at USO 2004 there, but that is dubious since the match was played in hurricane like conditions.
The idea behind this thread (and countless others) is that non-mono Federer wins it 10/10. That is kind of ludicrous when you think about it, especially taking into consideration that just 4 months prior, Djokovic more than held his own on a faster USO court vs presumably non-mono "peak" Fed.
Maybe back in 2010 a claim could be made that it was a fluke, mono-Fed etc. Right now this sounds almost as ridiculous as "At what tourament did the divorce of his parents hurt Rafa the most?" thread...
Nadal_Django
Legend
Fed lost 08 Wimbledon because the grass was too high that year.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nobody is saying Fed would have won. Djokovic was the better player.
It's just that Fed would not have lost in straights.
That sequence from 5-3 to 1-5 for Fed in the second set was really bad and it's something that very rarely happens in their matches.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Davydenko 2006 in Davydenko fashion choked in the 3rd set when he had something like 6 SP's to go up 2 sets to 1. Fed himself was not in great form like at AO 2008. Of course, Davydenko wasn't Djokovic, but you're making it sound like Fed was never pushed on HC before the arrival of Djokovic.
The Agassi match wasn't played in hurricane conditions in its entirety. Only the final 2 sets.
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
Whatever you say man, Fit Federer could've been taken to 5 sets too by Tipsarevic we would never know.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
There are many saying just that. To be clear, I'm not saying that Djokovic was winning vs any Federer. It is what it is.
No, I'm not. I'm saying that looking at the whole picture, that win was legit and well deserved. There's no going around it.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
hypothetical peak Tsitsipas straight-sets Federer at Wimbledon
Goosehead
Legend
mono diagnosis after ao,
kept having colds Dec/Jan ,felt tired at ao, cold/ ill after ao so doc did tests to find cause and had mono, wouldn't have allowed him to play if found out before ao,
fed cleared of mono late Feb as antibodies produced, but match fitness affected,
played dubai on little prep, likely a few months to get match fitness up to speed. Prob ok by clay swing.
kept having colds Dec/Jan ,felt tired at ao, cold/ ill after ao so doc did tests to find cause and had mono, wouldn't have allowed him to play if found out before ao,
fed cleared of mono late Feb as antibodies produced, but match fitness affected,
played dubai on little prep, likely a few months to get match fitness up to speed. Prob ok by clay swing.
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a peak Fed or a 50 years old grand daddy that has to keep playing because there is nobody else to carry the flag?
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Australia. Dubai you could definitely add in there to a degree, and if you're starting to get generous then Indian Wells/Miami. Beyond that you're just making excuses for him from the physical point of view.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/sports/07iht-arena.3.10811374.html
When it comes to the mental side of things and getting your confidence back that's a different unquantifiable issue, but you're talking about someone who's won, what, 8 of the last 11 majors. He should be okay for confidence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/sports/07iht-arena.3.10811374.html
When it comes to the mental side of things and getting your confidence back that's a different unquantifiable issue, but you're talking about someone who's won, what, 8 of the last 11 majors. He should be okay for confidence.
flutzingitaway
Semi-Pro
I don't know how anyone says or votes the clay season when he still made nearly every final, which was always the best he was going to do. He couldn't topple Nadal on clay in 2005-2008 so he was never going to topple an ever improving Nadal on the surface in 2008.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
just an example of unfalsifiable hypothetical
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Of course it was legit. I just don't think Fed would have lost in straights. 4 or 5 sets, but Djokovic would have still won.
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