Ball machine vs wall ?
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Rickson
G.O.A.T.
If a wall were as good as a ball machine, noone would buy the latter. Walls are good for smacking balls around, but you don't really know where the ball would land on the court. Ball machines can be set at different speeds and can simulate playing an actual opponent much more closely than a wall ever could. Walls are good, but can't come close to comparing with a ball machine.
gmlasam
Hall of Fame
I totally agree with Rickson. You can do so much more than what you can do with just hitting the wall. The ball machine can drill you on volleys, over head smash, forehands (low, med, and high balls), back hands (low, med, and highballs), and you can set it to run you around from all over the tennis court to help improve timing and footwork.
With the ball machine, you are playing in the tennis court and hitting over the net. This gives you feedback on how hard or soft; more spin, less spin you should hit to keep the ball in the court. You can't do that just hitting the wall.
With the ball machine, you are playing in the tennis court and hitting over the net. This gives you feedback on how hard or soft; more spin, less spin you should hit to keep the ball in the court. You can't do that just hitting the wall.
joe sch
Legend
The wall is fine for working on your stroke mechanics. You can practice all of them including volleys, half-volleys, overheads and baseline groundies. There is no replacement for hitting on a real court and learning to hit all the spots and angles, which a ball machine can help you with. There is also no replacement for matchplay and playing different types of opponents, which only playing real matches can provide. All are necessary training for improving your game but you dont need a wall if you have a court and an opponent or machine.
gmlasam
Hall of Fame
go to www.sportstutor.comFatmike said:
They have the tennistutor lite or jr for $600.00 I have the model 2 which cost me $700.00 many years ago. It is now about $950.00. It is pictured in my sig. I've had for about 8 years now, and are built like a tank. Great high quality machine.
The ball machine comes in really handy when you want to work on certain mechanics, and specially if no one is around to play with. This will keep you in top form when you play with someone. So no excuese not to be active and be fit
By directly from www.sportstutor.com, they are the ones that make tennistutor. Dont by from third party vendors, specially from that guy at tennis 101 over at florida.
gmlasam said:go to www.sportstutor.com
They have the tennistutor lite or jr for $600.00 I have the model 2 which cost me $700.00 many years ago. It is now about $950.00. It is pictured in my sig. I've had for about 8 years now, and are built like a tank. Great high quality machine.
The ball machine comes in really handy when you want to work on certain mechanics, and specially if no one is around to play with. This will keep you in top form when you play with someone. So no excuese not to be active and be fit
By directly from www.sportstutor.com, they are the ones that make tennistutor. Dont by from third party vendors, specially from that guy at tennis 101 over at florida.
what is the difference between lite and lite basic ?
oh... the oscillator
Well,
seems that everybody in this thread is sooo much in favor of the ball machine.
I prefer wall. I use ball machine only if there is no wall around.
I use soft, actually dead ball and I am able to hit against the wall for an hour.
Wall teaches you footwork like nobody else.
Regards, Predrag
seems that everybody in this thread is sooo much in favor of the ball machine.
I prefer wall. I use ball machine only if there is no wall around.
I use soft, actually dead ball and I am able to hit against the wall for an hour.
Wall teaches you footwork like nobody else.
Regards, Predrag
Rickson said:
No question about it, at least in my mind. Some walls are very well done and really fun but probably very expensive - I mean big bucks.
With ball machines there is a net involved along with the "regular" court which makes things a little more realistic. Also, just about every stroke can be practiced with a ball machine (lob, volley, etc) as compared with a limited amout of strokes against a wall - I know, everything can be practiced against a wall but its not quite the same thing.
The problem with the wall is that it doesn't give you pace.
If you have a ball machine, it is amazing how much you can get used to the pace and therefore move quicker and prepare early for your shot.
I use wall for taking ball early. Just stay closer and take those balls on the rise.
If you have a ball machine, it is amazing how much you can get used to the pace and therefore move quicker and prepare early for your shot.
I use wall for taking ball early. Just stay closer and take those balls on the rise.
FuriousYellow
Professional
There's room for both in your training I think. I've had my ball-machine for over a year, but the biggest improvements I've made in the power and spin on my groundstrokes have come from hitting against a wall recently. I think much of that is from not having anything other than the ball to focus on. When you're out on the court, you sometimes focus on the result of the swing rather than the swing itself.
To me, the ball-machine's biggest virtue is it's like having a training partner that's there just to work on your needs. I have a TT Jr. that I've been meaning to sell so I can upgrade. If you're interested, shoot me an e-mail.
furiousyellow@gmail.com
To me, the ball-machine's biggest virtue is it's like having a training partner that's there just to work on your needs. I have a TT Jr. that I've been meaning to sell so I can upgrade. If you're interested, shoot me an e-mail.
furiousyellow@gmail.com
joe sch
Legend
Atleast the wall is better than playing with a pusher, since the pace it returns is based on the pace you hit with. I can get a great workout with the wall in 30 mins time. When I get tired from blasting baseline strokes or serves/overheads, I just move close and work on volleys until I recover. After 30 mins, Im still pretty spentVlad said:
the ball machine is only really useful if you play somebody that hits like a ball machine which is almost nobody...people tend to cheat with it in the knowing where the next ball is going. they also tend to set them up in the middle of the court on the baseline so that makes it only good for balls hit at you from the middle of the baseline..comparing the two, i think the wall is infinitely better..if you do it right, you should be able to do no more than 30 minutes on it and will have winded yourself multiple times..it teaches you movement, racquet work, preparation, pushing yourself when you are tired, and is a great aerobic workout. the ball machine is better than noting certainkly, but i have seen guys who spend most of their time with a ball machine who just have no clue when they play a real person...plus the wall is free.
dozu
Banned
haven't really used a ball machine, but I use a wall quite often... some points to consider:
1. try to hit on 2 bounces on the ground, the trajectory is more similar with real court play.
2. when striking the ball, imagine you are hitting to a target "behind" the wall that is the same length as the real court, otherwise, lots of wall hitting can screw up your sense of distance.
3. use some wall drills... there are plenty posted in this forum, my favorite would be alternating FH and BH and go crosscourt so that I need to move side to side. Also I can play a set against myself, and I need to hit 3 good shots to win a point, otherwise I lose a point...... this way there is actually a sense of competition.
1. try to hit on 2 bounces on the ground, the trajectory is more similar with real court play.
2. when striking the ball, imagine you are hitting to a target "behind" the wall that is the same length as the real court, otherwise, lots of wall hitting can screw up your sense of distance.
3. use some wall drills... there are plenty posted in this forum, my favorite would be alternating FH and BH and go crosscourt so that I need to move side to side. Also I can play a set against myself, and I need to hit 3 good shots to win a point, otherwise I lose a point...... this way there is actually a sense of competition.
Well, whatever - what works for one person might not be ok for another. Having said that, I really don't think the value/lack of value is in what kind of aerobic workout you get with either as compared with groving in strokes.
Ball machines (I don't sell them) can be moved anywhere on a court to simulate just about every stroke in the game and one can get the same stroke time after time to work on. You can also, with most machines, get a much better aerobic workout if thats your pleasure.
Some wall are built well and fun to work on but most leave a lot to be desired. I also think a great deal of it depends on the individual and perhaps some do find the wall the better situation due to all the factors involved.
Ball machines (I don't sell them) can be moved anywhere on a court to simulate just about every stroke in the game and one can get the same stroke time after time to work on. You can also, with most machines, get a much better aerobic workout if thats your pleasure.
Some wall are built well and fun to work on but most leave a lot to be desired. I also think a great deal of it depends on the individual and perhaps some do find the wall the better situation due to all the factors involved.
Either work the same for me. The only downside to hitting with the wall is that I can't practice my high ball ground strokes effectively. Otherwise I'd rather hit with the wall than a ball machine. You don't have to set up anything and if you keep mental track of what you are working on and trying to accomplish then it works fine. The fact is I don't aim at a certain part on the other side of the net... I aim at a target above a certain portion of the net and adjust my stroke / spin accordingly to hit a certain part of the court. Watch Roger Federer, see how he keeps his eyes down through the shot... If you keep track of what you mentally SHOULD be doing you don't need the entire court to know where you going to hit the ball if you are working on developing your game and understand how to make adjustments to hit a target.
I like setting up three 1ft x 1ft square and running drills alternating between hitting into those squares to practice my movement and shots on the run. Volleying with the wall is also great exercise, infact the first tennis stoke that I learned was how to volley with the continental grip... , start off just tapping the ball against the wall from about 4ft out using the continental grip. You'll learn how to focus on the ball and orient your wrist with the grip. Later on it will be easy to develop the slice back hand, 1 handed back hand, and start off serving with the continental grip. Learn all the correct grips and techniques and never have to change.
I like setting up three 1ft x 1ft square and running drills alternating between hitting into those squares to practice my movement and shots on the run. Volleying with the wall is also great exercise, infact the first tennis stoke that I learned was how to volley with the continental grip... , start off just tapping the ball against the wall from about 4ft out using the continental grip. You'll learn how to focus on the ball and orient your wrist with the grip. Later on it will be easy to develop the slice back hand, 1 handed back hand, and start off serving with the continental grip. Learn all the correct grips and techniques and never have to change.
Geezer Guy
Hall of Fame
Maybe you should have set this up as a Poll so people could vote. Sounds like we're fairly evenly divided. Do you have a way to practice with a ball machine to see which one YOU like better? If so (maybe at a local club?) give a ball machine a test drive and see if you like it better/worse than the wall at the school. YOU be the judge.
WilPro
Semi-Pro
I know this is 14 years old thread but I thought I better revive an old one than opening a new one.
I don't really see how the wall could be better than the machine.
1. People who favor the wall have never played with a good machine ever, or are too cheap to pay for one. And then you have to pay for the court. It's pretty expensive but it's worth every single penny.
2. Lazy feet is developed because you are using the machine the wrong way. After each shot you have to recover, get back to the center of the court. If you don't do that you are practicing anything but tennis. And that machine was made for tennis, use it for tennis.
3. The wall can never return a ball with more power than you send it to it.
4. The wall can never return a ball with top-spin or slice.
5. You cannot practice drive volley with the wall.
6. You can never see where the ball lands on the other side of the net if you practice with a wall.
7. The wall is returning the normal ball unrealistically fast if you hit your normal shots. Of course you could use an unrealistically slow ball. Or else you could let it bounce twice which is unrealistic and bad for your game. Or you could hit slower, softer shots which is not beneficial for your game. Or you could play from a long distance from the wall.
There are a lot of problems with the wall. The only problem with the machine is if you are using it correctly.
I don't really see how the wall could be better than the machine.
1. People who favor the wall have never played with a good machine ever, or are too cheap to pay for one. And then you have to pay for the court. It's pretty expensive but it's worth every single penny.
2. Lazy feet is developed because you are using the machine the wrong way. After each shot you have to recover, get back to the center of the court. If you don't do that you are practicing anything but tennis. And that machine was made for tennis, use it for tennis.
3. The wall can never return a ball with more power than you send it to it.
4. The wall can never return a ball with top-spin or slice.
5. You cannot practice drive volley with the wall.
6. You can never see where the ball lands on the other side of the net if you practice with a wall.
7. The wall is returning the normal ball unrealistically fast if you hit your normal shots. Of course you could use an unrealistically slow ball. Or else you could let it bounce twice which is unrealistic and bad for your game. Or you could hit slower, softer shots which is not beneficial for your game. Or you could play from a long distance from the wall.
There are a lot of problems with the wall. The only problem with the machine is if you are using it correctly.
tennishabit
Legend
talk the talk, walk the walk.........lololololol, man. every1's different n watava works the best/effective/efficient n most importantly urself enjoying the outcome, then go for it.
the only problem's if u'r doing wrong things which nothing to do w/ watava machines or walls or nice tennis shoes/rkts/strings/etcetc n hurt urself 1 way or another, tennisingly speaking te/ge most likely, ur 'ammo's limited ie there's a timer/timebomb set to go off every now n then so u have to stop for either a short while or a super-duper long while. well, better off doing something else instead of tennis. plenty other sports like 5v5 soccer etcetc available n much more popular than tennis nowadays..............................
personally memeingly speaking, tried all n found the inclined wall is the best n dat's the only thing i can fix my daily craving 1200 shots w/in 1.5 hrs. w/ a ball machine lucky to finish dat in 2.5 hrs...........lolololololol on wknd w/ a 4.0/4.5-ers of 1/2 of my age, >6 hrs n so far only 1 or 2 hitmates can last dat long non-stopping. normally need 3x yound guns, boyohboy. w/ my ~age peers:?))) only once, <10 min then gone, threw me something like 'u'r good as ur son...........' omfg could be better the other way around like 'ur son's as good as u':?)))................
also i started practicing serves on my most beloved inclined wall, actually any wall should be ok as one 1 bounce anyway. fh/bh alone ain't enough to play comp or proper matches at all. only need once or twice to calibrate/confirm on a real tennis court............lolololololololol manlittlefatman, it just reminds me dat could be much much more harmless/harmonious to provide him the hardware/software toying nuclear tests anytime/anywhere he likes:?))).........................
the only problem's if u'r doing wrong things which nothing to do w/ watava machines or walls or nice tennis shoes/rkts/strings/etcetc n hurt urself 1 way or another, tennisingly speaking te/ge most likely, ur 'ammo's limited ie there's a timer/timebomb set to go off every now n then so u have to stop for either a short while or a super-duper long while. well, better off doing something else instead of tennis. plenty other sports like 5v5 soccer etcetc available n much more popular than tennis nowadays
..............................personally memeingly speaking, tried all n found the inclined wall is the best n dat's the only thing i can fix my daily craving 1200 shots w/in 1.5 hrs. w/ a ball machine lucky to finish dat in 2.5 hrs...........lolololololol on wknd w/ a 4.0/4.5-ers of 1/2 of my age, >6 hrs n so far only 1 or 2 hitmates can last dat long non-stopping. normally need 3x yound guns, boyohboy. w/ my ~age peers:?))) only once, <10 min then gone, threw me something like 'u'r good as ur son...........' omfg could be better the other way around like 'ur son's as good as u':?)))................
also i started practicing serves on my most beloved inclined wall, actually any wall should be ok as one 1 bounce anyway. fh/bh alone ain't enough to play comp or proper matches at all. only need once or twice to calibrate/confirm on a real tennis court............lolololololololol manlittlefatman, it just reminds me dat could be much much more harmless/harmonious to provide him the hardware/software toying nuclear tests anytime/anywhere he likes:?)))
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talk the talk, walk the walk.........lololololol, man. every1's different n watava works the best/effective/efficient n most importantly urself enjoying the outcome, then go for it.
the only problem's if u'r doing wrong things which nothing to do w/ watava machines or walls or nice tennis shoes/rkts/strings/etcetc n hurt urself 1 way or another, tennisingly speaking te/ge most likely, ur 'ammo's limited ie there's a timer/timebomb set to go off every now n then so u have to stop for either a short while or a super-duper long while. well, better off doing something else instead of tennis. plenty other sports like 5v5 soccer etcetc available n much more popular than tennis nowadays
personally memeingly speaking, tried all n found the inclined wall is the best n dat's the only thing i can fix my daily craving 1200 shots w/in 1.5 hrs. w/ a ball machine lucky to finish dat in 2.5 hrs...........lolololololol on wknd w/ a 4.0/4.5-ers of 1/2 of my age, >6 hrs n so far only 1 or 2 hitmates can last dat long non-stopping. normally need 3x yound guns, boyohboy. w/ my ~age peers:?))) only once, <10 min then gone, threw me something like 'u'r good as ur son...........' omfg could be better the other way around like 'ur son's as good as u':?)))................
also i started practicing serves on my most beloved inclined wall, actually any wall should be ok as one 1 bounce anyway. fh/bh alone ain't enough to play comp or proper matches at all. only need once or twice to calibrate/confirm on a real tennis court............lolololololololol manlittlefatman, it just reminds me dat could be much much more harmless/harmonious to provide him the hardware/software toying nuclear tests anytime/anywhere he likes:?)))
i'm trying to figure out if this thread is older than you
tennishabit
Legend
lololololololol manohman...........gee so much free time/effort to figure out anything like dat, man. wish i had dat but i might well do something more fun as not interested any1 else's internal affairs n don't give a chit abt dat either unless got paid for doing it kinda obligation etcetc...........lolololololol....................
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lololololololol manohman...........gee so much free time/effort to figure out anything like dat, man. wish i had dat but i might well do something more fun as not interested any1 else's internal affairs n don't give a chit abt dat either unless got paid for doing it kinda obligation etcetc...........lolololololol
i wouldn't assume that anyone actually spent the time to read what you wrote, but you do you man
kramer woodie
Professional
Here is what I experience with a wall. If your able to hit decent topspin, a wall is a total waste of time. Every time I have hit on a wall the spin on the ball causes the ball to come off the wall directly down. I then have to let the ball bounce two three times before it gets back to hit it a second time. That is unless, on ever other groundstroke I charge the wall like moving to the net to hit a volley.
Now that said, this is the reason that walls are starting to be built slanted instead of 90 degrees vertical. If the wall is tilted back then the ball comes back further and faster because the slanted wall neutralizes the topspin.
Plus, hitting on a wall will cause you to hit an older style flatter ground stroke. It will not improve new technique. A ball machine will give you extremely better development. With a ball machine, you can adjust the amount of spin and the speed of the ball. If you buy a machine that also oscillates, you can practice both forehands and backhands on every other ball forcing you to practice and improve your footwork.
I have a TennisTutor that oscillates, also adjusts for timing of the balls being thrown (you can set time for a ball every second, but you won't be able to keep up), you can set the speed of the ball (all the way up too 85mph, again you won't be able too keep up), and you can combine the spin and speed to replicate a looper incoming ball, plus using the spin you can cause the ball to bounce up to your shoulder or head height.
Just get a machine that has a remote, cause after moving side to side and hitting 5 forehands and 5 backhands, you will need to shut the darn thing down to catch your breath. I should mention the TennisTutor has a setting for narrow oscillation and wide oscillation. In the narrow mode you will need to move from the center of the baseline about half way to the sideline. In wide mode you will move from center to sideline back to center and then to the other sideline.
The wall may be Free and for cheap people that is why they promote a wall. If you really want to get better get a ball machine. Just another option from TennisTutor, some of them come with pre-programed playing styles, which can make it almost like playing a live opponent.
Shalom
Now that said, this is the reason that walls are starting to be built slanted instead of 90 degrees vertical. If the wall is tilted back then the ball comes back further and faster because the slanted wall neutralizes the topspin.
Plus, hitting on a wall will cause you to hit an older style flatter ground stroke. It will not improve new technique. A ball machine will give you extremely better development. With a ball machine, you can adjust the amount of spin and the speed of the ball. If you buy a machine that also oscillates, you can practice both forehands and backhands on every other ball forcing you to practice and improve your footwork.
I have a TennisTutor that oscillates, also adjusts for timing of the balls being thrown (you can set time for a ball every second, but you won't be able to keep up), you can set the speed of the ball (all the way up too 85mph, again you won't be able too keep up), and you can combine the spin and speed to replicate a looper incoming ball, plus using the spin you can cause the ball to bounce up to your shoulder or head height.
Just get a machine that has a remote, cause after moving side to side and hitting 5 forehands and 5 backhands, you will need to shut the darn thing down to catch your breath. I should mention the TennisTutor has a setting for narrow oscillation and wide oscillation. In the narrow mode you will need to move from the center of the baseline about half way to the sideline. In wide mode you will move from center to sideline back to center and then to the other sideline.
The wall may be Free and for cheap people that is why they promote a wall. If you really want to get better get a ball machine. Just another option from TennisTutor, some of them come with pre-programed playing styles, which can make it almost like playing a live opponent.
Shalom
tennishabit
Legend
as said 'not interested any1 else's internal affairs n don't give a chit abt dat either unless got paid for doing it kinda obligation etcetc...........lolololololol
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Legend
gee..............so u mean if the ball w/ good topspin n pace bounce off the wall directly down:?))) r u sure not talking abt backspin/slice:?)))..............lololololololol, man, it's easy to find out n hit a heavy topspin against a wall to c if the ball jumps up on the wall or driven down as u said. as u said u'v got a machine...........so u might have had a lot of experiences using it so might be gr8 to share those w/ whom using machines
...............same thing w/ 'coaches', a lot of so called 'coaches' are coaching the things they can't do/experience by themselves.......so, here we go, both 'coaches' n students are struggling
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Talk Tennis Guru
Are you sure you are not talking about slice? A heavy topspin shot that hits a wall at 90 degree angle to the wall will always rebound upward off the wall.
I love the wall:
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kramer woodie
Professional
travlerajm
No, I am not talking about slice!!!! Hitting on one particular concrete wall the ball did not rebound back and up, but went down landing about 4-5 feet from the base of the wall. The only way I could get the ball to rebound back standing, an equal distance from the wall as if I was standing on the baseline and the wall was the net, was to hit flat.
Now on another wall that is concrete block, rough surface face, filled with concrete, the ball would come back further and up, however, with greatly reduced velocity.
It was very frustrating, because the wall I hit on as a teenager was made of wood and then that wall played really fast. I should note, that was back in the wood racquet era of the 60s, so less topspin then, but easy powerful slice.
Shalom
I like both walls and ball machines. The wall is great for grooving stroke mechanics because you can hit controlled shots that bounce back to where you want them. The wall, I think, is probably the main reason my 1HBH is so good. I was able to go to the local school when I was a kid and hit 20-30 of the same exact backhand strokes in a row. I could work on flat ones and spin ones over and over again. There was no way I could have gotten that kind of practice hitting with other players at school.
The ball machine I think is better for footwork and working on dealing with timing or difficult types of feeds. You can make it throw balls left and right so you are forced to run your tail off. You can set it up to throw some heavy topspin over and over that you would probably only rarely see in a match.
So I think they are both really great tools and even though I have a ball machine I still hit against the backboard or wall pretty regularly.
The ball machine I think is better for footwork and working on dealing with timing or difficult types of feeds. You can make it throw balls left and right so you are forced to run your tail off. You can set it up to throw some heavy topspin over and over that you would probably only rarely see in a match.
So I think they are both really great tools and even though I have a ball machine I still hit against the backboard or wall pretty regularly.
tennishabit
Legend
there'r quite a few ytb vids showing top pros hitting the wall n in a joker's vid he's saying something like '.........wall's the best, trust me. it never misses etcetc.............' no joker, man. absolutely true from my personal experience........
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WilPro
Semi-Pro
there'r quite a few ytb vids showing top pros hitting the wall n in a joker's vid he's saying something like '.........wall's the best, trust me. it never misses etcetc.............' no joker, man. absolutely true from my personal experience
Are you talking about your experience as a troll? I guess that's the sport where you really shine.
Friedman Whip
Professional
Strongly disagree with your #1. If I'm not trying to hit the ball after 1 bounce, I consider myself to be loafing.
WilPro
Semi-Pro
Never used a ball machine, that sums it all. Why even talk if you never used the machine?
I also disagree with his number two also. What you imagine and what really is there are two completely different things.
tennishabit
Legend
lololololol man............who cares watava guessing n no time to give any fkn chit abt dat, man.
so many things to work on n no spare time/effort on those, man.
anything u experienced dat worked for urself w/ some positive result:?))) if not any there, well, pssoff save urself n other's time
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Chadalina
Guest
Ball machine isnt a live ball, it will make your worse at tennis. Your strokes will look better but you wont be better.
I prefer the wall
I prefer the wall
tennishabit
Legend
tried out all n only the wall can do me daily >1200 shots w/in 1.5hrs, but dat's only good for topspin baseline rally, a pretty good by-product of my addiction.............lolololololol, man
..........................just started serving on my inclined wall couple of wks ago n verified the angle/trajectory on wknd in tennis court all good but still the once-off hit's far far from any fun as no continuous stimulation like fh/bh topspins on the wall.........no fun no good, man. also i have to work out something for slices which bounce off any wall straight down n totally different from the actual slices off some slice expert's rkt.............maybe have to use a ball machine to simulate dat, man
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Fairhit
Hall of Fame
I don't see how a topspin shot hits the wall a goes down, it's not possible if the wall is not affecting the ball and if it is, it has notting to do with the spin on the ball.
Ball Machine all the way. You get an idea of the depth, you can practice angles, volleys, lobs. The Lobster ball machine definitely improved my game as it puts a ton of spin top or under on the ball which no wall can do. Also there definitely a heaviness to a ball machine that no wall can replicate.
tennishabit
Legend
trying to ytb bit 'top pro tennis players ball machine drills'............none there. but 'top pro tennis players tennis wall drills', quite a bit like joker murray agassi etcetc, have fun, man...............
why the ball machine makers are so fkn cheap not spend bit $$$ to get top pros squeeze a few seconds to hit properly n promo n sexup bit:?))) or the top pros won't do it even if paid good dollars:?))) all the ytb ball machine vids hitters quite shocking/ugly, man...........
...............why the ball machine makers are so fkn cheap not spend bit $$$ to get top pros squeeze a few seconds to hit properly n promo n sexup bit:?))) or the top pros won't do it even if paid good dollars:?))) all the ytb ball machine vids hitters quite shocking/ugly, man
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Fairhit
Hall of Fame
I think is an unfair question, obviously the ball machine will win if compared against the wall, the same way that it'll lose compared to a hitting partner, the wall and the ball machine are totally different ways to practice and given the opportunity anyone would prefer the ball machine but if you don't have one you can still practice against a wall.
tennishabit
Legend
i had 3 or 4 different type of ball machines incl. 1 air compressor type since 2002........all faulty 1s n fixed all n played for a few times then sold all. well if any better than the wall i'd keep 1 for myself, man. especially 4 yrs ago i found the inclined wall.......man, better than anything. always thought abt the re-bounce index n 1/2 court simulator n finally workout on the inclined wall n it can simulate where my shots land +/- ~20cm on the other end of court but only good for topspin baseline rally though. it seems impossible to simulate the slices on any wall...................
it might be different things suit different ppl so better off try everything available n find out watava works the best, man..................
it might be different things suit different ppl so better off try everything available n find out watava works the best, man
..................That's silly.
tennishabit
Legend
yup man, nothing can make basic technique worse except 'stop doing it'.............watava ppl try out or use doesn't matter at all as they can always change/evolve/develop, quite true as dat niked/naked truth 'just do it'.
no matter how ugly/shocking starting w/ as long as u can keep going then eventually u'll find the correct answer.........kinda like u'v got endless ammo n eventually u'll surely hit the target. hit once then got the feel, twice n 3x.........more & more, easier & easier. only bad thing's 'stop doing it' which tennisingly speaking seems all abt te/ge ie armming the ball w/ deathgrip too much
.................so funny an obeast guy in the club bush!ting he's doing 'quality over quantity' etcetc..........lololololol mite, obvious due to the te/ge & other injuries ofc no quantity anymore n no fkn need to ego/sex up by self-comfort style 'quality', mite. every now n then u can hear those ex-top-pros commentating matches on tv saying like '..............just hitting enough balls, 000s & 000s of them...........' etcetc, very educational mite. no one stop u doing it except urself or ur-injured-self, plenty walls plenty free public courts if worrying abt court hire, 'just do it'
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kramer woodie
Professional
traverajm
I watched the video you posted. It seems rather strange that you would aim (direct, hit) the ball as high on the wall!!!
Now when I have always hit against a wall, my spot to hit the wall is 6 inches to 1 foot over the 3 foot above the ground line on the wall, representing the net height.
When practicing hitting that 6 inches to a foot above the line on the wall, in real life play on a court I have the power to hit the back fence on the fly, unless I use topspin to pull the ball down inside the baseline.
One of the students I help the X-Pro with (we practice rally with the student, both of us against him, 2 against 1). It gives the students different styles of play coming at him. The X-Pro returns the students shot with a topspin returns that kicks vertically to chest, shoulder, and ear height. I return his shots with topspin that is flatter (lower above the net) and accelerates at him. The ball I return to him will pick of speed after the bounce in front of the student and kick at him.
Even though I play a flatter style, flatter does not mean without topspin. It just means closer above the net cord 3 inches to 1 foot. The ball still travels all the way to the baseline and would go long without the topspin to keep the ball in. Against players who have more power than I do, I will
use the X-Pro's style (clear the net cord by 2 feet to 5 feet) to buy time and get a higher more vertical bounce and neutralize my opponent's power.
I will also, use both styles, to mix things up and try to keep opponents off balance.
Against a wall I practice hitting 6 inches above what would be net height. The ball rebounds off the wall more down.
Shalom
