Can Sinner win 15+ slams?

Can he win 15+ slams?


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NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
I know I know you guys underrate Sinner and think he's Berdych 2.0 but after hitting his prime he's looking unstoppable and there's no player on tour who can stop the rise Sinnerzila. he will have no competition for next 4-6 years and can easily win 13-15 slams and then with the help of new advanced medicine he can win slams till he's 36-37. Sons do you think he has a chance of winning 15+ slams?
 

Zardoz7/12

Hall of Fame
I think this season will be the barometer of what Sinner will achieve in his career, I saw a thread of mine from last year about the Sinner hype LOL.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
I see him winning 10+. There’s so many factors involved in how many he will ACTUALLY win that predicting the exact amount of slam titles feels like predicting what the weather will be on the 16th of June in 2057.

But I agree that he’s underrated. I felt he was special the first time I watched him play and correctly predicted him to win the AO before the tournament started.
 

AO13

Hall of Fame
No.

I doubt we will ever again see a guy winning 20 slams.

15 maybe, but hardly more.

No one asked this question when Federer won the first slam in 2003, Nadal his first in 2005 and Novak his in 2008. Why? Because it was unthinkable. Just because there are three guys who did win 20+ slams basically in the same era doesn't mean that is normal and that we will have that every decade at least once. No, we might not witness that again ever actually.​
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Can he? Of course.

Winning anything more than 5 Slams though requires tremendous focus, injury luck, and dedication, though, and it is so competition dependent as well.

How big of a difference is between 10+ slam player and 5-6 slam players in terms of talent?
 

soldat

Rookie
Can Sinner fans stop posting hypothesis threads every single day?

Don't you think that there's some teenage player that will become a threat to Sinner in 5 to 10 years from now?

I don't believe he will get to double digits and that's my opinion.

I have a feeling Jakub Mensik will soon be beating Sinner.
 

taster

Rookie
We're being asked to extrapolate from his current form and a single slam win to whether he can win 15 slams, seriously? It's an absurd question which can't be answered, and why not 20 slams, or 30, or 50? Why 15?
This is more vailed hyperbole from the usual suspects.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
We're being asked to extrapolate from his current form and a single slam win to whether he can win 15 slams, seriously? It's an absurd question which can't be answered, and why not 20 slams, or 30, or 50? Why 15?
This is more vailed hyperbole from the usual suspects.

Yeah sure it's an absurd question that will likely be answered in future but not the Hypothetical matches of past and present era players that will never be answered lol. What do you mean by usual suspects?
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
How big of a difference is between 10+ slam player and 5-6 slam players in terms of talent?
In some cases minimal, but in other cases, quite a lot. For example I don’t think there is a large gap in terms of talent between Boris Becker and Pete Sampras. Or John McEnroe and Roy Emerson. Or Justine Henin and Billie Jean King.

To be clear, there is a gap - for example, Sampras was more athletic and had a better serve, better shot selection, etc. but so much of it is circumstantial and era based with equipment changes, professionalism, focus, injury luck.

But the point is the peak of many 3-4 Slam winners is close to the peak of ATGs with many more slams. The difference is sustaining it and staying focused, injury free, and honestly a huge part of it is getting lucky with competition and draws.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
No.

I doubt we will ever again see a guy winning 20 slams.

15 maybe, but hardly more.

No one asked this question when Federer won the first slam in 2003, Nadal his first in 2005 and Novak his in 2008. Why? Because it was unthinkable. Just because there are three guys who did win 20+ slams basically in the same era doesn't mean that is normal and that we will have that every decade at least once. No, we might not witness that again ever actually.​

It was unthinkable because the past players didn't play in homogenised era , didn't have the modern medicine to prolong their career in mid 30s. Why do you think Sinner won't have the same medicine or even the better ones?or Sinner won't get a prolonged weak era of 6-8 years like Djokovic had? or why won't Sinner became as dedicated as Fedal are to their game and have their longevity and drive?
 
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taster

Rookie
Yeah sure it's an absurd question that will likely be answered in future but not the Hypothetical matches of past and present era players that will never be answered lol. What do you mean by usual suspects?
Likely be answered in the future...what? it will be answered in the future, you understand that once the future becomes the past we will definitely know right? Likelihood has nothing to do with it.
What do i mean by usual suspects, well the term 'usual suspects' is a noun, and it refers to people or things you would expect to be doing, or in this case posting, a particular thing.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
In some cases minimal, but in other cases, quite a lot. For example I don’t think there is a large gap in terms of talent between Boris Becker and Pete Sampras. Or John McEnroe and Roy Emerson. Or Justine Henin and Billie Jean King.

To be clear, there is a gap - for example, Sampras was more athletic and had a better serve, better shot selection, etc. but so much of it is circumstantial and era based with equipment changes, professionalism, focus, injury luck.

But the point is the peak of many 3-4 Slam winners is close to the peak of ATGs with many more slams. The difference is sustaining it and staying focused, injury free, and honestly a huge part of it is getting lucky with competition and draws.

If you watch their h2h matches you will see the difference in their level. Sampras had a way better FH and could beat baseliners like Agassi from baseline. Anyway , on this topic you had a similar thread about Murray vs Djokovic. Even a miniscule difference in talent can lead to gulf in sucess between two player. nobody can convince me Djokovic is 21 + slams better player than Murray.
 
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ALCARAZWON

Guest
Sinner is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY lucky to win ONE slam title.
Sinner needed Djokovic to play “one of the worst grand slam matches I’ve ever played, at least that I remember”--Djokovic.
Sinner needed Medvedev to play 6 more hours and give up 2-set-to-love-lead.
Sinner has a very small future, when compared to Alcaraz who beat a FAR SUPERIOR version of Djokovic at 2023 Wimbledon.
Sinner lost to Djokovic at 2023 Wimbledon (in straight sets) and 2022 Wimbledon.
 
In some cases minimal, but in other cases, quite a lot. For example I don’t think there is a large gap in terms of talent between Boris Becker and Pete Sampras. Or John McEnroe and Roy Emerson. Or Justine Henin and Billie Jean King.

To be clear, there is a gap - for example, Sampras was more athletic and had a better serve, better shot selection, etc. but so much of it is circumstantial and era based with equipment changes, professionalism, focus, injury luck.

But the point is the peak of many 3-4 Slam winners is close to the peak of ATGs with many more slams. The difference is sustaining it and staying focused, injury free, and honestly a huge part of it is getting lucky with competition and draws.

BJK is before my time, but you might well be right on that one. Then again, Henin took two years off from the ages of 26 to 28 and was never the same again. Without that decision, the slam tally would probably be closer than it is.

Emerson is also a special case, given that he mopped up when a lot of pros were ineligible. If anything, McEnroe is probably more talented than him by a fair distance.

Becker v Sampras is a difficult one. I think Becker would have agreed that Sampras achieved a consistent level of performance that was a fair distance beyond Becker (except for indoors) - more than injuries, his inability to be competitive with Sampras at Wimbledon is probably what drove Becker into retirement, and while he was getting up there by the standards of the time, he was still probably good enough to be competitive with anyone else. But Becker never broke Sampras's serve in three matches at Wimbledon. Now, does that mean that Sampras was much more talented than Becker? I'm not sure. Perhaps Becker never fulfilled his potential. Given his strength and his build and the time in which they played, Becker was always likely to be someone who peaked early and was at a speed disadvantage later in his career because he was a bit too big a build, so the age gap was perhaps more significant than the not quite four years it actually was. (Sampras also faded early, even by the standards of the time, perhaps because of his thalassemia. But his problems were stamina-related more than movement-related). And I do think that Becker probably should have been a dominant #1 at some point, so maybe he was close to Sampras in talent terms. Hard to tell.

Talent is one of those amorphous concepts, like level, peak, and prime, that are useful heuristics but in which a degree of fuzziness is inevitable, such that they should be deployed with care.
 

InsuranceMan

Hall of Fame
I know I know you guys underrate Sinner and (you guys) think he's Berdych 2.0 but after hitting his prime he's looking unstoppable and there's no player on tour who can stop the rise Sinnerzila. he will have no competition for next 4-6 years and can easily win 13-15 slams and then with the help of new advanced medicine he can win slams till he's 36-37. Sons do you think he has a chance of winning 15+ slams?
You were sure of many things and where's Sinner now?sitting on Zero masters . as i said let your boy win something before you hype him. He's not even Birdman tier tbh
We need a clown for this circus. OP should be banned. Nothing but unknowledgeable, trash posts and a constantly terrible attitude to boot. Hope everybody here is aware of this gloryhunting fraudulence. Nap time, son.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
We need a clown for this circus. OP should be banned. Nothing but unknowledgeable, trash posts and a constantly terrible attitude to boot. Hope everybody here is aware of this gloryhunting fraudulence. Nap time, son.

Yes,lets pretend people don't change their opinion and how smartly you ignored my prediction for his dominance at the end of last year lmao, son! You can do better
 
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Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
I know I know you guys underrate Sinner and think he's Berdych 2.0 but after hitting his prime he's looking unstoppable and there's no player on tour who can stop the rise Sinnerzila. he will have no competition for next 4-6 years and can easily win 13-15 slams and then with the help of new advanced medicine he can win slams till he's 36-37. Sons do you think he has a chance of winning 15+ slams?
Why not 25+?
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
BJK is before my time, but you might well be right on that one. Then again, Henin took two years off from the ages of 26 to 28 and was never the same again. Without that decision, the slam tally would probably be closer than it is.

Emerson is also a special case, given that he mopped up when a lot of pros were ineligible. If anything, McEnroe is probably more talented than him by a fair distance.
Right. Actual Slam count can be heavily circumstantial, that is, dependent on factors outside a player’s general play in between the lines of a tennis court. Lendl for example is a 12-15 Slam talent by all other metrics but was cursed with his worst surface hosting 2 Slams (and then not even playing the AO for parts of his career), and his best surface hosting zero. To say nothing of his competition which is another crucial factor obviously.

Becker v Sampras is a difficult one. I think Becker would have agreed that Sampras achieved a consistent level of performance that was a fair distance beyond Becker (except for indoors) - more than injuries, his inability to be competitive with Sampras at Wimbledon is probably what drove Becker into retirement, and while he was getting up there by the standards of the time, he was still probably good enough to be competitive with anyone else. But Becker never broke Sampras's serve in three matches at Wimbledon. Now, does that mean that Sampras was much more talented than Becker? I'm not sure. Perhaps Becker never fulfilled his potential. Given his strength and his build and the time in which they played, Becker was always likely to be someone who peaked early and was at a speed disadvantage later in his career because he was a bit too big a build, so the age gap was perhaps more significant than the not quite four years it actually was. (Sampras also faded early, even by the standards of the time, perhaps because of his thalassemia. But his problems were stamina-related more than movement-related). And I do think that Becker probably should have been a dominant #1 at some point, so maybe he was close to Sampras in talent terms. Hard to tell.
When I say talent I’m not really using the amorphous term with “little fingers” and that which is usually ascribed to Kyrgios or Rios the showmen. I mean when Becker put the performances on the court that won him Slams, measured, distinct levels, they were up there with what Sampras did. Not as good, yes, but comparable at the very least. It’s just that a) he was slightly worse as a tennis player, and thus susceptible to varied opponents (their H2H vs Agassi a stark differentiator) and b) he was much more prone to off court distraction, fitness issues, injury, and generally struggled with consistency in ways that the spartan-like Sampras was not.

But of course tennis is the most merit based sport on the planet, you usually win what you win because of your play and your play alone. So the gap is deserved, however, 6 of Becker’s best Slams stand up next to 6 of Sampras’s Slams is the larger point I’m making.
Talent is one of those amorphous concepts, like level, peak, and prime, that are useful heuristics but in which a degree of fuzziness is inevitable, such that they should be deployed with care.
Of course, there are those among us who believe tennis only evolves and that talent continues to grow so maybe everyone even the Big 3, Sampras, and Borg, is less “talented” than Sinner and Alcaraz and now Fonseca and Mensik. So it is a sliding, subjective definition. And who knows maybe Sinner actually is that good and will continue to improve into the finest player tennis has ever seen. It’s not impossible.
 

InsuranceMan

Hall of Fame
Yes,ets pretend people don't change their opinion and how smartly you ignored my prediction for his dominance at the end of last year lmao, son! You can do better
Yes son, I can do better
Sinner hype is the past and dead , i just included him so his fanbois cant complain .FAA has the highest celling amoung these three.MichaelNadal see this post . I don't see anything special in Sinner.
I never bought Sinner hype the moment i saw his movement 2 years back i knew he will not win anything big.
I called it long ago.lmal at people who didn't believe me. Sinner doesn't have what it takes to be a champion.
Can you please stop overeating Sinner ? He's just not good enough.
You were sure of many things and where's Sinner now?sitting on Zero masters . as i said let your boy win something before you hype him. He's not even Birdman tier tbh
Alcaraz will improve and don't think he will have match up problem against Sinner anymore . He has massively improved this year unlike Sinner
Ain't you tired of spreading Sinner propaganda shamelessly when Sinner has been exposed as a fraud ?
Djokovic can beat Sinner while in wheelchair lol. Djokovic and Nadal ( yes even the snail paced Nadal)are nightmare for average movers and change in direction and angle will be too much for Sinner.
Son, I really hope Sinner wins some slams for you, you're too big of a fanboy. Unfortunately, I don't think he has the game to dominate. Let's see, I have never been wrong in judging players .
And just for fun
Why do you want posters to turn on Sinner by hyping him through roof and disrespecting others who have achieved way more than Sinner?
@dking68 where are you son? I told you to have your expectations low but you keep overeating Sinner even he got crushed in FO in second round and has done nothing in his tennis career
Another deluded Sinner fanboy lol.
OP should be banned for constantly spreading Sinner propaganda and hype lol
 

Oval_Solid

Hall of Fame
both bird legs and shrimp face will have slam count in the 20s
does that mean they are better than players before with lower slam counts
not really its a result of the benchmark of previous gen
 
Yes son, I can do better









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FeroBango

Hall of Fame
The thing is that the four Alcaraz fans of TTW knew and Alcarazwon when we saw one.

dking tragically fell for NeutralFan entirely.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
"I know I know you guys underrate Sinner" - huge assumption on first line itself.

Seems like gaslighting perfect example. If someone says no then they are underrating sinner.

All the while there are only 3 guys in more than 50 years who won 15+ slams.

We are not underrating anyone.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
I do think changing opinion is ok. The Sinner stuff was a bit loaded last year when he had not yet proved it.
 

Razer

Legend
It would be fun to see Sinner quickly start wining every slam from now, beating Djokovic black and blue and chasing his record by his early 30s in full speed just like Federer chased Sampras. However that seems unlikely to happen, Sinner ain't that good.
 
Right. Actual Slam count can be heavily circumstantial, that is, dependent on factors outside a player’s general play in between the lines of a tennis court. Lendl for example is a 12-15 Slam talent by all other metrics but was cursed with his worst surface hosting 2 Slams (and then not even playing the AO for parts of his career), and his best surface hosting zero. To say nothing of his competition which is another crucial factor obviously.


When I say talent I’m not really using the amorphous term with “little fingers” and that which is usually ascribed to Kyrgios or Rios the showmen. I mean when Becker put the performances on the court that won him Slams, measured, distinct levels, they were up there with what Sampras did. Not as good, yes, but comparable at the very least. It’s just that a) he was slightly worse as a tennis player, and thus susceptible to varied opponents (their H2H vs Agassi a stark differentiator) and b) he was much more prone to off court distraction, fitness issues, injury, and generally struggled with consistency in ways that the spartan-like Sampras was not.

But of course tennis is the most merit based sport on the planet, you usually win what you win because of your play and your play alone. So the gap is deserved, however, 6 of Becker’s best Slams stand up next to 6 of Sampras’s Slams is the larger point I’m making.

Of course, there are those among us who believe tennis only evolves and that talent continues to grow so maybe everyone even the Big 3, Sampras, and Borg, is less “talented” than Sinner and Alcaraz and now Fonseca and Mensik. So it is a sliding, subjective definition. And who knows maybe Sinner actually is that good and will continue to improve into the finest player tennis has ever seen. It’s not impossible.

First of all, I must apologize to the universe for not capitalizing Level (or Peak or Prime) in my previous post. These are weighty concepts and must be treated with respect. Second, I note that you were talking about talent and not about Talent (another concept that must be capitalized).

On talent as you use it: Becker was very impressive at Wimbledon 1986 and 1989, for sure. Those performances are at least close to Sampras's best - and to anyone else's. Sure, Lendl led Becker 5-7 7-6 6-2 3-2 (with a break), but Lendl was playing very well, Becker turned the match around with a vengeance, and those were the only sets he lost all tournament. At Wimbledon 1985 and all of his non-Wimbledon slam victories, I don't think Becker was quite on a par with the best of Sampras. I guess you could make the claim that Becker was more of a Safin figure who would never play at his very best throughout the tournament, and so not hold his early struggle with Rostagno at US Open 1989 against him, and put his second-week performance there up with the two Wimbledons. Perhaps you could make a similar argument for his Australian Opens, although there I think it noteworthy that he didn't beat anyone quite on a par with the Lendl of US Open 1989 (Lendl declined a bit between September 1989 and January 1991, and had to save two match points on Edberg's serve just to make the final - that was a real 40-15 moment from Feddy's future coach).

So, I don't think I agree that all six of Becker's slams stand up to Sampras's six best slams. I would agree for sure that at AO 1991 or 1996, Becker played as well as Sampras in some of his mid-level slam wins, just not the strongest ones. So, I think we can agree that five of Becker's six slam titles were roughly or almost on a par with the better 9-10 of Sampras's 14 slam titles.

Becker at Wimbledon 1985 was probably a rung below that. Curren did much of the hard work for him. Then again, I guess that Agassi did the hard work for Sampras at US Open 2002, as it's doubtful Sampras would have beaten Hewitt, I think.
 
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