Carlos Alcaraz has the potential to be a BETTER player than Roger Federer

[Holmes]

OP's sig:

"MUG RF (Movement to Unveil the Greatness of Roger Federer)"

"MUG RF (Movement to Unveil Undermine the Greatness of Roger Federer)"
FTFY.
(No need to thank me).

It's unfortunate that so many of Roger's supposed fans view unveiling his greatness as undermining it.

Sad.

 

[Holmes]

It’s an insult to compare Alcaraz to a peasant like Federer.

Ludicrous to describe him this way when Roger is such a talented player, even when compared to Carlos.

 

[Rosstour]

Well said. Being equally talented as Roger and physically far superior, Carlos will definitely reach a higher level than the Swiss Sweetman ever dreamed of.

yeah, obviously a Fedfan.

 

[Rosstour]

Ludicrous to describe him this way when Roger is the son of a Count.

Got a source for this?

 

[Holmes]

Got a source for this?

Fixed.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

A common error. "Better" and "lose" aren't compatible. This isn't figure skating with style points. In tennis the winner is better, anything else is just ego massaging.

Thats not common nor an error everyone thinks the same silly way you do. If that was true you wouldn't constantly have elite players constantly losing to clearly inferior ones. Tennis of all things too one of the most volatile sports where surprising upsets happen all the time

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Federer isn’t the benchmark in men’s tennis anymore!

 

[Ray Mercer]

Well said. Being equally talented as Roger and physically far superior, Carlos will definitely reach a higher level than the Swiss Sweetman ever dreamed of.

Your posts are pure trash from what I've seen. Take a hike.

 

[Rosstour]

Federer isn’t the benchmark in men’s tennis anymore!

He hasn't been since 2008, sorry to tell you that mate

 

[Rosstour]

Fixed.

Another flat-out lie. Nicely done.

 

[Holmes]

Another flat-out lie. Nicely done.

Still confused. Sad.

 

[Holmes]

Your posts are pure trash from what I've seen. Take a hike.

Yet here you are on my thread.

 

[WeekendTennisHack]

Can't wait for this thread to be bumped in 2033 with people lamenting at how stupid posters were in this thread.

 

[Holmes]

Can't wait for this thread to be bumped in 2033 with people lamenting at how stupid posters were in this thread.

Same.

 

[tlm]

As if Carlos will have a choice ?

Carlos is already at his physical peak or very close to it, he doesn't have higher ceiling to touch from there, he could only improve his game, you'll see what happens when Sinner, Rune and others get bigger and stronger, wait an watch.

Sorry but a man’s physical peak does not happen until mid 20’s.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Sorry but a man’s physical peak does not happen until mid 20’s.

You are confusing a man's 'tennis peak' with his 'physical peak'.

 

[mike danny]

Sorry but a man’s physical peak does not happen until mid 20’s.

Nadal was already a physical freak at 19.

Carlos won a slam by surviving through 3 five setters. Physically he's already in a very good place. Don't think he'll get better than this at 25.

 

[Holmes]

Nadal was already a physical freak at 19.

Carlos won a slam by surviving through 3 five setters. Physically he's already in a very good place. Don't think he'll get better than this at 25.

Nadal's strength improved over the years, so physically he wasn't at his peak at 19.

 

[augustobt]

Nadal's strength improved over the years, so physically he wasn't at his peak at 19.

You can say that. I can say that 2005 Nadal was the fastest tennis player I've ever seen and he never got close to that speed again even when he was playing better in 2008.

 

[Third Serve]

You can say that. I can say that 2005 Nadal was the fastest tennis player I've ever seen and he never got close to that speed again even when he was playing better in 2008.

He was still really quick in 2008 honestly. It was after 2009 that the movement started to take a hit and Nadal upped the aggression to compensate. Comparing 2010 to 2008 Nadal on clay, you see two markedly different performances.

 

[Spinman]

Who cares if he end up better than Fed. The kid is an amazing player and talent. Let's enjoy watching him

 

[ChrisJR3264]

The kid is fantastic. Yeah I will say I’m not going to use this victory over Med to say he’s going to top Roger lol bc these courts are slower than clay so he’s able to hit through the court over Meddys game who’s strictly a fast paced hard court player

 

[Tennfan123]

Carlos is doing stuff at 19 that the pouting teen Federer could only have dreamt of.

 

[Third Serve]

Carlos is doing stuff at 19 that the pouting teen Federer could only have dreamt of.

So did Lleyton Hewitt.

 

[Bambooman]

You are confusing a man's 'tennis peak' with his 'physical peak'.

Those are supposed to intersect. Something was done wrong if they do not.

 

[TheNachoMan]

So did Lleyton Hewitt.

Even teen Roddick was better than Federer. LOL

 

[Holmes]

So did Lleyton Hewitt.

And then along came surface slowdown and homogenization, which Lleyton could never have imagined.

 

[Holmes]

Even teen Roddick was better than Federer. LOL

Teen Nadal was also better than teen Federer.

 

[DIMI_D]

There I said it. I watched Federer since the beginning and I’ve been watching Alcaraz for the last 2-3 years and I can tell you the Spaniard has a higher ceiling than the Swiss. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Alcaraz is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Federer. Yes I’m aware of what happened at RG 22 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Alcaraz to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Rick Macci himself admitted he hasn't seen anyone like this guy in the last 30 years, and he's coached the female GOAT.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Federer had. Alcaraz’s generation is way more talented than Federer’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Federer’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Roddick, Hewitt and Baghadatis are really nothing compared to Medvedev, Sinner, Hurkacz, and Auger-Aliassime. Besides, Carlos seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Federer. Anyways, that’s not the point.

The point is I believe The Spanish Achilles has what it takes to take Federer’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Fed’s level yet but he’ll get there. Federer kept improving even in his 30s so Carlos has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.

One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Federer in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more personable in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!

#Your heard it here first.
Bump it in a few years.

Where’s the poll? most definitely I see Alcaraz 10 plus Gs champion will be get 20plus it’s possible as well depends on who his main rivals are and how much separation he has with them - sinner, rune and maybe some new guy like van asche or another random. Poll would be nice for ppl to vote

 

[Holmes]

Where’s the poll?

It isn't a question.

 

[Third Serve]

And then along came poly, which Lleyton could never have imagined.

Small correction.

 

[augustobt]

He was still really quick in 2008 honestly. It was after 2009 that the movement started to take a hit and Nadal upped the aggression to compensate. Comparing 2010 to 2008 Nadal on clay, you see two markedly different performances.

I won't disagree. But you can't convince me he was as fast in 2008 as he was in 2005.

 

[Third Serve]

I won't disagree. But you can't convince me he was as fast in 2008 as he was in 2005.

Sure but the difference is minimal.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Those are supposed to intersect. Something was done wrong if they do not.

I'm a perfect example of that, an extreme one though.
Never took a tennis lesson in my life and had bad technique for a long time.
I am way past my prime physically but my tennis game has never been better than now.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Well said. Being equally talented as Roger and physically far superior, Carlos will definitely reach a higher level than the Swiss Sweetman ever dreamed of.

There is no such thing as equally talented as Federer. The ultimate magical genius using a racquet as a wizard wand. But more physical sure

 

[Bartelby]

One thing that is for sure, Nadal has no chance of beating Alcaraz however recovered he may be from injury.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

One thing that is for sure, Nadal has no chance of beating Alcaraz however recovered he may be from injury.

Clay?

 

[socallefty]

Carlos with his variety, power and speed along with Djokovic-like flexibility looks like he has the potential to be better than any of the Big 3 in terms of his game. But, does he have the mental toughness and desire for constant improvement that they possessed for two decades each? If not, he won’t get there.

He makes too many unforced errors now going for too much power and his serve location particularly on 2nd serves is not great. Returning is also not yet at Nadal/Djokovic levels. Since the serve and return set the tone of each point, he still has a lot of improvement to do to match their level. But, he looks like he could get there.

The way he lifted up his level today while facing a guy on a 19-match win streak, it looks like he is moving the timetable forward.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

The way he lifted up his level today while facing a guy on a 19-match win streak, it looks like he is moving the timetable forward.

Meh Medvedev should be getting tired by now amazing that he even won 3 in a row (tournys) without a hangover. Carlos very fresh

 

[DSH]

One thing that is for sure, Nadal has no chance of beating Alcaraz however recovered he may be from injury.

Nadal will beat his successor at Roland Garros 2023.
Book it!

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Even teen Roddick was better than Federer. LOL

u wot m8?

 

[BenC]

I cackled at the first point of the 4-1 game in the 2nd set - some rally balls, then BOOM! like Med had stepped on a bear trap. And that was right before the 3 consecutive drop shots.

 

[Bambooman]

I'm a perfect example of that, an extreme one though.
Never took a tennis lesson in my life and had bad technique for a long time.
I am way past my prime physically but my tennis game has never been better than now.

I would bet I'm an even better example but no top pro represents that scenario.

Has anyone ever asked you if you used to be a pro?

 

[socallefty]

Those three drop shots in a row were as if Carlos symbolically decided to humiliate every player who stands 20 feet behind the baseline to return serve and rally - loved it!

 

[Bartelby]

Based on history that might be a booking, but past performance is no guarantee of future performance.

Nadal will beat his successor at Roland Garros 2023.
Book it!

 

[LuckyR]

Thats not common nor an error everyone thinks the same silly way you do. If that was true you wouldn't constantly have elite players constantly losing to clearly inferior ones. Tennis of all things too one of the most volatile sports where surprising upsets happen all the time

Upsets are called upsets based on a guess of the outcome based on previous outcomes. Nothing wrong with that, BUT if someone wins today they are the better player today. End of story.

 

[Razer]

Federer isn’t the benchmark in men’s tennis anymore!

Federer is still the benchmark for raw talent of shotmaking in Tennis, nobody beats him at it.
Nadal is still the benchmark/Gold standard of Teenage talent and overall athleticism

These things cannot be changed despite Djokovic's feats though it can be said that Djokovic is the benchmark for precision on court, stamina in long matches and mental toughness as well.

 

[Mike Sams]

As if Carlos will have a choice ?

Carlos is already at his physical peak or very close to it, he doesn't have higher ceiling to touch from there, he could only improve his game, you'll see what happens when Sinner, Rune and others get bigger and stronger, wait an watch.

I think it's the mentality more than anything else that will decide the success that Sinner, Rune, etc will have.
Also, I don't see the likes of Sinner or Rune become the next Djokovic/Nadal/Federer or anywhere close to those guys when it comes to dominance and mental strength.

 

[Razer]

I think it's the mentality more than anything else that will decide the success that Sinner, Rune, etc will have.
Also, I don't see the likes of Sinner or Rune become the next Djokovic/Nadal/Federer or anywhere close to those guys when it comes to dominance and mental strength.

Sinner cannot but Rune can do it, he has the talent, speed and everything to beat Alcaraz. He needs a better coach than Patrick Mouratoglou, probably someone like Uncle Tony or someone like Vajda. A non nonsense and less flashy coach who is seriously invested in making him calm down and improve his mindset & Game.

 

[Mike Sams]

Sinner cannot but Rune can do it, he has the talent, speed and everything to beat Alcaraz. He needs a better coach than Patrick Mouratoglou, probably someone like Uncle Tony or someone like Vajda. A non nonsense and less flashy coach who is seriously invested in making him calm down and improve his mindset.

I think it's the whole field that Alcaraz and Rune need to worry about at this point in time. Alcaraz hasn't yet gone a whole season without getting injured.