Compare ‘Raz Full 2022 season to ‘23 Cinci to Fed 04-05Cinci/Djokovic 11-12Cinci Seasons

alinefx

Rookie
Since Alcaraz is being feted as the next ATG/Possible GOAT, gonna with 30+ slams etc, was wondering if recency bias plays a role as to what his REAL level is comparing him to the current GOAT as well as Fed. Looking at where he stands now wrt to Fedovic, he‘s a bit behind, but the only thing is he’s doing it at a younger age which might help in the long run, only if he keeps a Fed-Djoker like longevity going.

Both Fed and Alcaraz basically had/have pigeons (other than Nadal (then) and Djoker (now)) as “opposition”. Yet Carlos has won less and lost more matches than Fed did his first 20 months after “arriving” for REAL at the 2003 WTF and Djokovic’s insane 2011.

Fed: Jan 2004-Cinci 2005: 138-9, 93.8%, 20 Titles (won WTF going into 2004). Went on his first run 6 years after going pro.
Djokovic: Jan 2011- Cinci 2012: 124-16, 88.5%, 13 Titles (lost WTF SF in 2010). First run 8 years after going pro.
Alcaraz: Jan 2022-Cinci 2023: 110-19, 85.27%, 11 Titles (skipped WTF going into 2023). Current run 5 years after going pro.

Looks like ‘Raz has to level up big time just to match Djokovic and Federer at the same stage as they were when they broke out. He plays a harder style than Fed and Djoker, so he may have a Nadal like career if he doesn’t watch out, full of injuries. He’s already been injuring himself twice in matches this year with Djokovic alone, not to mention the cramps with Sinner at Miami. Fed/Djoker had near zero injuries (other than Djokovic exhaustion/some injury after USO 2011) through this time period. I think the only thing holding him back is inexperience, age and the need to play with more restraint/tactics and to manage himself a little better to avoid cramps as well as not always going for insane highlight reel shots like during the 3rd set yesterday.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Fed had it on easy street. At that time Nadal was thought to be a purely clay court player, it wasn't until '08 that he won his first non-clay major.

Djokovic had Nadal and Federer; Alcaraz has Djokovic.
 

jl809

Hall of Fame
How about we compare Raz aged 19/20 to Fed aged 19/20 and see how many M1000 titles Fed won or how many slams he won…

(Also, Djokovic broke out in late 07, when he reached a slam final and then immediately won the next one, before reaching a SF at the slam after that)
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
This is mindblowing stuff. Compare the age of Federer in 04/05 and Djokovic 11/12 to Alcaraz in 22/23. That renders all other comparisons irrelevant. The fair comparison is Nadal 05/06. That's it.
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
A more apt comparison with Djokovic would perhaps be the period following his win at the AO 2008. Even then, he was still older in that period than Alcaraz has been in his. Federer of course didn't actually reach the final of a slam until he was nearly 22, significantly older than Alcaraz is now.

The better comparison would be to Nadal in 2005/2006

We need to remember that Alcaraz is still 20. He's got a lot of time to improve and reach his top level
 

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
Djokovic didn't break out in 2011/2012. He broke out in 2007/2008. Other that, outrageous from all 3 really.

Alcaraz's is very impressive given his age and relative time on tour. Djokovic's because of the era he was competing in, and Federer's because of the raw numbers.

The only 20-year old that compares favourably to Alcaraz this century is Nadal. Federer and Djokovic were nowhere, relatively speaking at 20 yrs and 4 months. One had 2 slam SFs and a MS win on his CV, and the other had 2 slam QFs to his name.
 
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alinefx

Rookie
Alcaraz's is very impressive given his age and relative time on tour. Djokovic's because of the era he was competing in, and Federer's because of the raw numbers
Yup, the fact that Djoker was able to get 13 titles in prime Fed/Peak Nadal era is insane.
 

Milanez82

Hall of Fame
Djokovic didn't break out in 2011/2012. He broke out in 2007/2008. Other that, outrageous from all 3 really.

Alcaraz's is very impressive given his age and relative time on tour. Djokovic's because of the era he was competing in, and Federer's because of the raw numbers.

The only 20-year old that compares favourably to Alcaraz this century is Nadal. Federer and Djokovic were nowhere, relatively speaking at 20 yrs and 4 months. One had 2 slam SFs and a MS win on his CV, and the other had 2 slam QFs to his name.
Djokovic at age 20 and 4 months had 1 slam final(US 2007), 2 slam sf, 2 masters(miami and canadian open 07). 5 months later he won AO08 and then his results slowed big time. Alcaraz has 2 slams and 4 masters, about to play UO23.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
How about you just compare Alcaraz at 20 yo, to Fed and Djokovic at 20 yo, no?

Cos if we do it that way, Alcaraz looks way more likely to be winning multiple slams, with breaking every record in the book than either of them did. ( Obviously theres way more to it than having a good start to your pro career )
 
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