Diary of a Racketaholic

[danbrenner]

My previous post should have read I just slapped a syntec grip on my eurostaff Sorry. Typo

 

[topspn]

If one is lighter and more head light then that should be a breeze to match. Just add weight around the hoop until it matches. Should take only a few minutes.

No, not really, the strings have exaggerated the difference and throwing on too much will effect SW. what I need to do is find out their SW unstrung and use the TW matching tool to tweak them for a bit more weight and match

 

[Power Player]

I just want to make a point on this thread that we should all get used to using lead I was watching the great Novak earlier and Li amd behold he had 2g strips of lead at 3 amd 9 on his racquets. This is the number one player in the world and even he tweaks with lead. So don’t shy away from it. In fact embrace it and get used to it. It’s the only way to truly customize your sticks to perfection.

Sure but many frames just work for me stock. Eurostaff and Doppio I have all the power I need.

Novak plays a prostock frame so it comes super light and he has to add lead. It is similar to when we were all using the Ultra - a frame that must have lead.

I don't think you have to get used to using lead. For me it is more of a last resort or a tweak to get something a little closer. Luckily I have 6 frames that play beautifully in stock form.

 

[Vicious49]

Eurostaff came in with some interesting specs. Its supposed to be 305g and 12pts HL unstrung. Mine with the plastic still on the grip was 305g and 8pts HL. So it’s a few grams lighter than it should be - which I don’t really minnd. but it’s also more head heavy - which I don’t know is a good or bad thing with this frame. I’ll try to get it strung for the weekend and give it a whirl. A leather grip should be able to solve any balance issues,

Eurostaff #2 come in at 304 unstrung. Wilson has really tightend up the QC on these it appears.

Quoted specs for my original Eurostaff above, the 2 that arrived today both came in between 306-307 grams and 9 pts HLwith the plastic wrapper on the grip. Which is slightly off from my original one. Should be an easy match with a few grams of lead,

 

[Vicious49]

Also, hallelujah my forehand is back! I love having a coach, i told him for about 4-6 weeks now that my FH has been off but i cant figure it out. After about 6 balls he noticed I wasnt locking my wrist through the stroke. Made that change and voila, im back!

 

[topspn]

Playing a team league wednesday nights but sticking to doubles for now as i'm still hampered with stupid knee. Played doppio for a while with newly strung Alpha. This string is fairly nice and maybe not as plushy feel as element but equally responsive and connection to the ball seems good. I was getting similar opening up of the sweet spot and could get good feedback on touch strokes. Also played with the new eurostaff strung with alpha and very playable in that one too.

 

[ryushen21]

So I just slapped on a babo Syntec feel grip on my babo. What a difference. Feels like I can truly get into my Sw positiion grip with authority and precision now. I’m loving it. It took 5 grams of weight off my tail. So now I’m 4,5 pt headlight. And 11.55 oz. i still left the lead at 12 3 amd 9 that is a constant. Because that’s where I felt the right weight of shot. So now my eu staff really feels even zippier. And more like a tweener. Less static weight more weight in the hoop to crush the ball with. I’m psyched to get out tomorrow.
And does anyone know where I can get another es in L4. I went to the euro sites and they were sold out ?

I believe that pro site was suppose to resupply on the 19th.

 

[JGads]

Playing a team league wednesday nights but sticking to doubles for now as i'm still hampered with stupid knee. Played doppio for a while with newly strung Alpha. This string is fairly nice and maybe not as plushy feel as element but equally responsive and connection to the ball seems good. I was getting similar opening up of the sweet spot and could get good feedback on touch strokes. Also played with the new eurostaff strung with alpha and very playable in that one too.

Knees really are stupid. Mine. Yours. My partner who hurt his last night.

They're just holding us all back from greatness.

What was better last night, the Dope or the Euro? (Dan is right in that I'm doing a lot of dancing. It's just boredom, really.)

 

[topspn]

Knees really are stupid. Mine. Yours. My partner who hurt his last night.

They're just holding us all back from greatness.

What was better last night, the Dope or the Euro? (Dan is right in that I'm doing a lot of dancing. It's just boredom, really.)

Here is my 2 cents so far and with a few points to keep in mind. The eurostaff (329) is few grams under my doppios (332-333). I haven't played an awful lot with eurostaff yet or dialed in stringing blah blah blah.

The doppio combination of hitting above its weight with the control and precision of that exquisite 16x20 string pattern is not equaled by the eurostaff. The euro hits less of a ball, more loopy and doesn't kick through the court as well. This of course is in finer terms so not huge. The euro brings an even bigger sweet spot with players racquet touch and feel that is truly nice. It is more stable laterally, yet whippy and don't feel any problem making those last sec adjustments with wrist flicks. It is the much better volley stick of the two especially when you think of an aggressive game were you are testing and looking for a shot were you can approach and move in. You can volley from NML and close in with greater confidence. Serves so far i give the edge to the doppio for the bigger serve and we all know its got that nasty spin and top. Its not that the euro can't replicate the spin, it's more about needing a bigger ball. I think the real test needs to be even with weight very similar.

 

[n8dawg6]

Knees really are stupid. Mine. Yours. My partner who hurt his last night.

They're just holding us all back from greatness.

aint that the truth

 

[RF_PRO_STAFF]

I’m assuming nobody in here has experience with Element Rough?

I might have soon. I'm contemplating between BK 1.28/Element 1.25 or Element Rough 1.30/Element 1.25 for in my TC95. Currently leaning more towards the first option but not sure yet.

 

[danbrenner]

Here is my 2 cents so far and with a few points to keep in mind. The eurostaff (329) is few grams under my doppios (332-333). I haven't played an awful lot with eurostaff yet or dialed in stringing blah blah blah.

The doppio combination of hitting above its weight with the control and precision of that exquisite 16x20 string pattern is not equaled by the eurostaff. The euro hits less of a ball, more loopy and doesn't kick through the court as well. This of course is in finer terms so not huge. The euro brings an even bigger sweet spot with players racquet touch and feel that is truly nice. It is more stable laterally, yet whippy and don't feel any problem making those last sec adjustments with wrist flicks. It is the much better volley stick of the two especially when you think of an aggressive game were you are testing and looking for a shot were you can approach and move in. You can volley from NML and close in with greater confidence. Serves so far i give the edge to the doppio for the bigger serve and we all know its got that nasty spin and top. Its not that the euro can't replicate the spin, it's more about needing a bigger ball. I think the real test needs to be even with weight very similar.

TRY 2g at 12 and 1g at 3 and 9. i experimented stock and with this total of 4g of lead it gives the es all the drive and power needed.

 

[JGads]

Here is my 2 cents so far and with a few points to keep in mind. The eurostaff (329) is few grams under my doppios (332-333). I haven't played an awful lot with eurostaff yet or dialed in stringing blah blah blah.

The doppio combination of hitting above its weight with the control and precision of that exquisite 16x20 string pattern is not equaled by the eurostaff. The euro hits less of a ball, more loopy and doesn't kick through the court as well. This of course is in finer terms so not huge. The euro brings an even bigger sweet spot with players racquet touch and feel that is truly nice. It is more stable laterally, yet whippy and don't feel any problem making those last sec adjustments with wrist flicks. It is the much better volley stick of the two especially when you think of an aggressive game were you are testing and looking for a shot were you can approach and move in. You can volley from NML and close in with greater confidence. Serves so far i give the edge to the doppio for the bigger serve and we all know its got that nasty spin and top. Its not that the euro can't replicate the spin, it's more about needing a bigger ball. I think the real test needs to be even with weight very similar.

Helpful, thanks.

I might have soon. I'm contemplating between BK 1.28/Element 1.25 or Element Rough 1.30/Element 1.25 for in my TC95. Currently leaning more towards the first option but not sure yet.

Definitely report back if you give it a go. Would like some real world experience as that softness with some extra bite could be nice. But maybe it's just unnecessarily messing with an already-good thing.

 

[RF_PRO_STAFF]

Helpful, thanks.



Definitely report back if you give it a go. Would like some real world experience as that softness with some extra bite could be nice. But maybe it's just unnecessarily messing with an already-good thing.

Problem is, I don't have any experience with regular Element yet. I'm all new to the elements of Element. So I won't be able to compare but I could tell you what I think of it, if I do decide to go with it.

 

[Power Player]

Here is my 2 cents so far and with a few points to keep in mind. The eurostaff (329) is few grams under my doppios (332-333). I haven't played an awful lot with eurostaff yet or dialed in stringing blah blah blah.

The doppio combination of hitting above its weight with the control and precision of that exquisite 16x20 string pattern is not equaled by the eurostaff. The euro hits less of a ball, more loopy and doesn't kick through the court as well. This of course is in finer terms so not huge. The euro brings an even bigger sweet spot with players racquet touch and feel that is truly nice. It is more stable laterally, yet whippy and don't feel any problem making those last sec adjustments with wrist flicks. It is the much better volley stick of the two especially when you think of an aggressive game were you are testing and looking for a shot were you can approach and move in. You can volley from NML and close in with greater confidence. Serves so far i give the edge to the doppio for the bigger serve and we all know its got that nasty spin and top. Its not that the euro can't replicate the spin, it's more about needing a bigger ball. I think the real test needs to be even with weight very similar.

Yeah I agree with most of this. The serves for me are heavier with the Eurostaff, but I mainly am serving slice and kicks right now. I want to get to where my 2nd is automatic and tough to deal with, so I can fire off some flats on first.

I need more time with the Staff but I don't seem to need a bigger ball up here. I'm keeping it deep and heavy with this badboy in stock form. I would say the kick off the bounce is tough for people to deal with based on their feedback. I need more singles matches where I can see if this is for certain, but the spin from the Eurostaff is helping me hit it hard and the ball is bouncing a little safer inside the lines than with the Doppio.

Not that the Doppio is a wild out of control cannon, but like you said this is pretty nuanced stuff. Both frames have so much whip that I find that is giving me the advantage more than anything. The amount of racquet head speed I can put on the ball is very beneficial. In the past when I got this much tip speed from a thinner beam frame, it was usually a lot lower powered and tiring to use. With these 2, it's just a perfect balance of power and control. The spin is just different amounts with each and of course the feel as well. If I had to make a sweeping generalization, the Doppio has that Prestige like crisp sweetspot and the Wilson has the buttery muted prostaff feel. Both are really, really nice, but if I had to choose a feel I think I'd say the Euro may win there. But I may change my mind on this in a week..they are very close in about every way.

 

[topspn]

Helpful, thanks.



Definitely report back if you give it a go. Would like some real world experience as that softness with some extra bite could be nice. But maybe it's just unnecessarily messing with an already-good thing.

Yeah I agree with most of this. The serves for me are heavier with the Eurostaff, but I mainly am serving slice and kicks right now. I want to get to where my 2nd is automatic and tough to deal with, so I can fire off some flats on first.

I need more time with the Staff but I don't seem to need a bigger ball up here. I'm keeping it deep and heavy with this badboy in stock form. I would say the kick off the bounce is tough for people to deal with based on their feedback. I need more singles matches where I can see if this is for certain, but the spin from the Eurostaff is helping me hit it hard and the ball is bouncing a little safer inside the lines than with the Doppio.

Not that the Doppio is a wild out of control cannon, but like you said this is pretty nuanced stuff. Both frames have so much whip that I find that is giving me the advantage more than anything. The amount of racquet head speed I can put on the ball is very beneficial. In the past when I got this much tip speed from a thinner beam frame, it was usually a lot lower powered and tiring to use. With these 2, it's just a perfect balance of power and control. The spin is just different amounts with each and of course the feel as well. If I had to make a sweeping generalization, the Doppio has that Prestige like crisp sweetspot and the Wilson has the buttery muted prostaff feel. Both are really, really nice, but if I had to choose a feel I think I'd say the Euro may win there. But I may change my mind on this in a week..they are very close in about every way.

Maybe because I am not playing my doppios stock, they all have leather grips and a simple 1gm $12. Yeah, serves are comfortably bigger on 1st and 2nd serves. Its why i gave the disclaimer they need to be at the same weight for a true compare. Interestingly, its rare i hit long with the doppio. Ultimately, I think i will need to customize the euro to get the best out of it. The doppio is good with the tweaks i gave it. Anyway, happy hitting.

 

[sandmammal]

I just want to make a point on this thread that we should all get used to using lead I was watching the great Novak earlier and Li amd behold he had 2g strips of lead at 3 amd 9 on his racquets. This is the number one player in the world and even he tweaks with lead. So don’t shy away from it. In fact embrace it and get used to it. It’s the only way to truly customize your sticks to perfection.

I put a leather fairway grip and 6 grams of lead at the 12 on my 6.1 95 (18x20) v13. Brings static weight up to 374g, with 10 pts headlight balance with overgrip. Best set up I've had on any frame. Weight is not at all a problem given balance and swing speed still able to achieve. The leather grip is key and a must have now that I've tried out with the frame. Its a beast.

 

[danbrenner]

I put a leather fairway grip and 6 grams of lead at the 12 on my 6.1 95 (18x20) v13. Brings static weight up to 374g, with 10 pts headlight balance with overgrip. Best set up I've had on any frame. Weight is not at all a problem given balance and swing speed still able to achieve. The leather grip is key and a must have now that I've tried out with the frame. Its a beast.

thats what im talkin bout my man. i believe all of my sticks need tweaking. all. even if just a little. thats the point i was making earlier. i know its tempting to not put any lead on a frame. it looks cleaner and what not. but honestly all my frames have lead somewhere or other. i know what i like. i dont like a low swing weight. i need to feel the heft as i swing. i dont need blade pro heft. they over did it on that one. but i do need to feel where my swing is at all times. if i dont have enough mass in the hoop then i can easily make mistakes and not have enough drive on my forehand side especially.

 

[danbrenner]

on a side not. its remarkable what a syntec feel grip can do. at 1.5 mm its the best thinnest grip out there. after installing it onto my eu staff , it has made the feel of the grip accentuated and sublime. i forgot how nice wilson grips are. they really do have an excellent grip shape. loving it.

 

[JGads]

Maybe because I am not playing my doppios stock, they all have leather grips and a simple 1gm $12. Yeah, serves are comfortably bigger on 1st and 2nd serves. Its why i gave the disclaimer they need to be at the same weight for a true compare. Interestingly, its rare i hit long with the doppio. Ultimately, I think i will need to customize the euro to get the best out of it. The doppio is good with the tweaks i gave it. Anyway, happy hitting.

Yeah, I clip tape with Doppio rather than go long usually. With the XLs I go long more than I clip tape. I think it's due to there being more plow out of the XLs and so the ball just carries, whereas with the Dope I'm getting even more whip and sometimes, how would I say this, overwhipping? But only on occasion. I probably would also be doing this with any frame, and with most frames I have more errors, and in most cases much less return out of what I put into every shot, hence my playing with these PKs.

The Euro almost sounds to me like how MD was once describing the Gravity MP - a large-headed, large-sweetspotted, super easy to use and nice-enough feeling thin-beamed stick made for consistency and hitting all day long with low errors, grinding out points but maybe lacking a putaway drive and punch compared to other frames? Just kind of reminds me of that, from what I'm hearing. The thing holding me back from trying it is the joy I get from the PK 16/20 pattern that drives and spins, and of course the "crazy energy"* from the kinetic and those drives it can create. (*I forget if it was Tim or someone else who used this term, but it was an extremely accurate description)

 

[danbrenner]

Yeah, I clip tape with Doppio rather than go long usually. With the XLs I go long more than I clip tape. I think it's due to there being more plow out of the XLs and so the ball just carries, whereas with the Dope I'm getting even more whip and sometimes, how would I say this, overwhipping? But only on occasion. I probably would also be doing this with any frame, and with most frames I have more errors, and in most cases much less return out of what I put into every shot, hence my playing with these PKs.

The Euro almost sounds to me like how MD was once describing the Gravity MP - a large-headed, large-sweetspotted, super easy to use and nice-enough feeling thin-beamed stick made for consistency and hitting all day long with low errors, grinding out points but maybe lacking a putaway drive and punch compared to other frames? Just kind of reminds me of that, from what I'm hearing. The thing holding me back from trying it is the joy I get from the PK 16/20 pattern that drives and spins, and of course the "crazy energy"* from the kinetic and those drives it can create. (*I forget if it was Tim or someone else who used this term, but it was an extremely accurate description)

i have the same put away power with the eu as my modded strike 100. i have only 4g of lead on the eu. jsut a little less power than a tweener. way more precision. listen. the way i see it is this. the eu is the best relaese wilson has made in many years. your going to end up with one wether its this week, next month or next year. so you may as well get it now and enjoy it from now. its that good of a frame. and simply a must have collectible on top.

 

[JGads]

thats what im talkin bout my man. i believe all of my sticks need tweaking. all. even if just a little. thats the point i was making earlier. i know its tempting to not put any lead on a frame. it looks cleaner and what not. but honestly all my frames have lead somewhere or other. i know what i like. i dont like a low swing weight. i need to feel the heft as i swing. i dont need blade pro heft. they over did it on that one. but i do need to feel where my swing is at all times. if i dont have enough mass in the hoop then i can easily make mistakes and not have enough drive on my forehand side especially.

But some frames need nothing, really. I'm totally fine with tweaking when it's necessary, have lead always at the ready, for example a regular UT needs lead to get to about 330sw for me to be happy with its plow and performance, but the Doppio creates that same plow at a low 320s swingweight. Plus I notice how I get to take advantage of the extra whip for angles and adjustments and such. Tried lead. Tried without. Just had better results without. So it's not necessarily a blanket thing that all frames need tweaking.

I also think sometimes the tweaking can get people way too far inside of their own heads about the frames and those very tweaks, thinking of frame or setup when in fact it might be form, a mistake in technique, etc., that need to be fixed.

 

[JGads]

i have the same put away power with the eu as my modded strike 100. i have only 4g of lead on the eu. jsut a little less power than a tweener. way more precision. listen. the way i see it is this. the eu is the best relaese wilson has made in many years. your going to end up with one wether its this week, next month or next year. so you may as well get it now and enjoy it from now. its that good of a frame. and simply a must have collectible on top.

Here, you very much may be correct and wise.

 

[danbrenner]

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[topspn]

Yeah, I clip tape with Doppio rather than go long usually. With the XLs I go long more than I clip tape. I think it's due to there being more plow out of the XLs and so the ball just carries, whereas with the Dope I'm getting even more whip and sometimes, how would I say this, overwhipping? But only on occasion. I probably would also be doing this with any frame, and with most frames I have more errors, and in most cases much less return out of what I put into every shot, hence my playing with these PKs.

The Euro almost sounds to me like how MD was once describing the Gravity MP - a large-headed, large-sweetspotted, super easy to use and nice-enough feeling thin-beamed stick made for consistency and hitting all day long with low errors, grinding out points but maybe lacking a putaway drive and punch compared to other frames? Just kind of reminds me of that, from what I'm hearing. The thing holding me back from trying it is the joy I get from the PK 16/20 pattern that drives and spins, and of course the "crazy energy"* from the kinetic and those drives it can create. (*I forget if it was Tim or someone else who used this term, but it was an extremely accurate description)

I would amend a few things. It is more then just nice enough feeling, its pretty sweet feeling i have to admit. Putaway power is available, just comparatively the doppio does it more effectively. The euro kicks up more so really needs weight on the ball to create the big discomfort which in stock form isn't enough to really trouble a good player. It is not that the spin isn't good, it is quite good just needs more of weighty ball. The doppio ball doesn't kick up as much but it kicks forward so really enhances the penetration. I threw on a leather grip on the euro with alpha string so will see how that goes later today

 

[ryushen21]

I might have soon. I'm contemplating between BK 1.28/Element 1.25 or Element Rough 1.30/Element 1.25 for in my TC95. Currently leaning more towards the first option but not sure yet.

Have you tried BK in a full bed?

In other news, my coach decided I needed some matches this summer so he's setting some up for me. So it's looking like two a week during the summer with the plan being to hit tournaments in the fall. This is gonna be interesting.

 

[ryushen21]

thats what im talkin bout my man. i believe all of my sticks need tweaking. all. even if just a little. thats the point i was making earlier. i know its tempting to not put any lead on a frame. it looks cleaner and what not. but honestly all my frames have lead somewhere or other. i know what i like. i dont like a low swing weight. i need to feel the heft as i swing. i dont need blade pro heft. they over did it on that one. but i do need to feel where my swing is at all times. if i dont have enough mass in the hoop then i can easily make mistakes and not have enough drive on my forehand side especially.

Damn, if this isn't like looking at myself approximately 18 months ago, I don't know what is. And I understand a lot of it. Especially when you finally find the groove with a certain spec on a frame and you want to try to replicate it on something that's a little different.

For me, I need to try to meet a frame on its terms first. I remember my hesitations about trying the EZone because I thought it was too light and the balance was too HH for my liking. And I've now been playing successfully with it for almost 8 months in stock form.

That takes me back to my previous point. I think you need to start with the frame in stock form first to get the feel for it and assess whether it will respond well to modification. Because sometimes, we mod frames with disastrous results because we try to make it into something it isn't.

 

[danbrenner]

Damn, if this isn't like looking at myself approximately 18 months ago, I don't know what is. And I understand a lot of it. Especially when you finally find the groove with a certain spec on a frame and you want to try to replicate it on something that's a little different.

For me, I need to try to meet a frame on its terms first. I remember my hesitations about trying the EZone because I thought it was too light and the balance was too HH for my liking. And I've now been playing successfully with it for almost 8 months now in stock form.

That takes me back to my previous point. I think you need to start with the frame in stock form first to get the feel for it and assess whether it will respond well to modification. Because sometimes, we mod frames with disastrous results because we try to make it into something it isn't.

I couldnt agree more. always use a new frame in stock form first. but then move on.. and customize. if needed. if youre happy where its at then fine. i just know myself. i always need a little tweak here and there.

 

[TimePlease]

Are you guys purchasing these from EU? Can't seem to find anywhere and curious to see myself

As far as we know there are only 2 European retailers selling this "limited edition" model and one of them has only Size 1's left in stock. It's unfathomable why Wilson hasn't sold them worldwide - doesn't make any sense. I bought 4 while I could, and while the price was good. The other retailer had the price much higher and probably still has stocks left. It's well worth paying the higher price, though. It's a crime against tennis if they only ever produced that one batch and so few people get the chance to play with these.

 

[tim-ay]

Playing a team league wednesday nights but sticking to doubles for now as i'm still hampered with stupid knee. Played doppio for a while with newly strung Alpha. This string is fairly nice and maybe not as plushy feel as element but equally responsive and connection to the ball seems good. I was getting similar opening up of the sweet spot and could get good feedback on touch strokes. Also played with the new eurostaff strung with alpha and very playable in that one too.

Yeah I really like alpha in the doppio. It stays good until close to breaking also, you’ll be impressed. It looks good in it too

on a stupid note- I tweaked my left knee a little last night. Pretty pissed about this. Curse of this thread I guess. I’m not even sure what I did, was playing on clay sliding around and having fun, came up a little lame on nothing specific. Taking a few days off and hopefully that is all that’s needed…. Blech.

 

[ryushen21]

As far as we know there are only 2 European retailers selling this "limited edition" model and one of them has only Size 1's left in stock. It's unfathomable why Wilson hasn't sold them worldwide - doesn't make any sense. I bought 4 while I could, and while the price was good. The other retailer had the price much higher and probably still has stocks left. It's well worth paying the higher price, though. It's a crime against tennis if they only ever produced that one batch and so few people get the chance to play with these.

I also wonder if Wilson used the European retailers as a test market to consider sales worldwide.

 

[tim-ay]

I also wonder if Wilson used the European retailers as a test market to consider sales worldwide.

I just really hope Wilson isn’t experimenting with licensing , and this only happened because of a distributor executing it. That would suck hard core. But I greatly suspect this….

 

[ryushen21]

I just really hope Wilson isn’t experimenting with licensing , and this only happened because of a distributor executing it. That would suck hard core. But I greatly suspect this….

I didn't even consider that. But I admit it does seem likely.

 

[tim-ay]

I didn't even consider that. But I admit it does seem likely.

That Exclusive!!!! Marketing thing the point was doing planted that in my head. But that doesn’t explain how the pro thing got some, maybe they know each other and made a deal. Who knows. I hope this isn’t it and the test market idea is right….or we won’t see it in the US. Which is why I’ve stayed away. It irritates me as much as my knee. Lol

 

[ryushen21]

That Exclusive!!!! Marketing thing the point was doing planted that in my head. But that doesn’t explain how the pro thing got some, maybe they know each other and made a deal. Who knows. I hope this isn’t it and the test market idea is right….or we won’t see it in the US. Which is why I’ve stayed away. It irritates me as much as my knee. Lol

Haven't there been previous 6.1 100 models that were global releases?

 

[tim-ay]

Haven't there been previous 6.1 100 models that were global releases?

They were light ones, like team versions that were crap compared to real six ones. This thing you guys are hitting seems way closer in DNA to real six ones. But I really don’t know enough, my fault for not buying one from the point. My PK infatuation keeps me happy tho’ so I’ll wait and see …. And hope.

 

[ryushen21]

They were light ones, like team versions that were crap compared to real six ones. This thing you guys are hitting seems way closer in DNA to real six ones. But I really don’t know enough, my fault for not buying one from the point. My PK infatuation keeps me happy tho’ so I’ll wait and see …. And hope.

I have to admit that I'm still questioning buying one myself. While people seem to be reporting that their experiences with the pro site have been better, it's hard to have full trust. Also, knowing that I'd have to buy two of them to justify the purchase and the shipping cost adds another layer of doubt.

Summer is just the worst time for tennis purchases because the kids have so much going on and we have family vacation coming up.

All that being said, I love the frame and feel like there will be definite regret if I don't end up with a couple of them. But I'm still playing better with the EZ. But the Eurostaff is so good and so pretty. But...

 

[Nollid]

Can you guys chime in on the RA and comfort of the Eurostaff? I am feeling an itch to try this frame but want to try and make sure that it's not going to bother my arm.

 

[ryushen21]

Can you guys chime in on the RA and comfort of the Eurostaff? I am feeling an itch to try this frame but want to try and make sure that it's not going to bother my arm.

I don't know that anyone has had a chance to put one on an RDC yet. But my arm and instinct tell me its strung RA is around 66.

 

[danbrenner]

As far as we know there are only 2 European retailers selling this "limited edition" model and one of them has only Size 1's left in stock. It's unfathomable why Wilson hasn't sold them worldwide - doesn't make any sense. I bought 4 while I could, and while the price was good. The other retailer had the price much higher and probably still has stocks left. It's well worth paying the higher price, though. It's a crime against tennis if they only ever produced that one batch and so few people get the chance to play with these.

THEY had better restock. i was ready to get my second l4

 

[ryushen21]

If anyone in the US happens to put in an order for a Eurostaff, let me know. If you wouldn't mind me piggybacking on your order, I'd be happy to work a deal.

 

[danbrenner]

another great thing about this v13 is that there is no countervail or anything like that. so this first version if there are other versions will probably be the best one of all. so stock up. like a Dorito you cant just have one.

 

[ryushen21]

I did a quick Google search. There was a previous BLX 6.1 100 but it was indeed a different beast all together.

27.25", 303g strung, 3pts.HL, 65 RA, 304SW, and 16x18.

Definitely different from the Eurostaff for sure.

 

[esgee48]

@tim-ay, @ryushen21 : To me, the racquet passing habit here to other 'holics is just another trend. I don't think anyone will have issues selling their Euro Staff if it loses out to the Doppio or its brothers.

 

[ryushen21]

@tim-ay, @ryushen21 : To me, the racquet passing habit here to other 'holics is just another trend. I don't think anyone will have issues selling their Euro Staff if it loses out to the Doppio or its brothers.

Yeah, but none of those will be L4.

 

[TimePlease]

I also wonder if Wilson used the European retailers as a test market to consider sales worldwide.

I just really hope Wilson isn’t experimenting with licensing , and this only happened because of a distributor executing it. That would suck hard core. But I greatly suspect this….

Yeah, these thoughts occurred to me too. The way the QC is so different, and the paint is different. It's like they're from a different factory...

 

[TimePlease]

Can you guys chime in on the RA and comfort of the Eurostaff? I am feeling an itch to try this frame but want to try and make sure that it's not going to bother my arm.

Have you not tried it yet? Oh boy!

 

[TimePlease]

And what say you on the Doppio-Euro comparison at this point?

Ahh, the Doppio-Eurostaff comparison... That ol' conundrum.

I mean, there are many mysteries out there to ponder in this life. The cosmos, ancient civilisations, quantum mechanics... And I'm one that loves to ruminate, but I've got this feeling that long after I've solved Hawking's equations and figured out the meaning of life... (Hell, maybe I'll even have understood women one day!) ...long after I've put all those questions to bed and hung up my thinking cap, I think there's always going to be this unsolvable riddle perplexing me: Which one of these damn rackets is better?

And the scientist in me is somewhat at odds with the artist. One can analyse and theorise all one wants. Ticking boxes and applying logic and maths and physics and... And yeah, there are differences. And yeah, there are reasons. But when I get out there on the court, ahhh, I don't even know what happens. Life happens - that's what. Because life, and tennis rackets...they're not inanimate objects. They interact with us. They fuse (and confuse!) with us.

I stocked up on 4 Eurostaffs and 2 Doppios. That should tell you something for starters. I love them both a LOT, but the Eurostaff has become my first choice. But even in saying that, a part of me thinks of the Doppio...

I've come to see that the Doppio is indeed slightly more powerful, as others here were quicker to point out. I hit a more consistent ball with the Eurostaff though. There's something about that solid contact that really enthuses me with confidence and I make fewer mishits. Why is that?, my left brain has been wondering for the last fortnight. But my right brain doesn't care why. It just gets on with the job of hitting clean through the incoming ball. Footwork, contact.. Footwork, contact... I DON'T NEED TO THINK.

If you happen upon a racket which just feels like The One, don't second guess it. Surrender to it.

The Doppio has that 16x20 pattern. It can whip a bit better than the Eurostaff. It can make a heavy ball buck wildly with topspin and find impossible angles. And then it can knife the slice onto a dime. The Eurostaff does these things really well too, but the Doppio is its master.

The Doppio, on paper, often seems to be the better frame. It can do things, sometimes, that the Eurostaff can't really do - special, special things. But for some unfathomable reason, I prefer playing with the Euro. And I play better with it too.

And maybe it's as simple as that. Maybe I prefer it just because I play better with it.

But why do I play better with it?

My serves are much more effective with the Euro - no doubt about it. I don't know why but it just feels right in my hand as I compose myself at the baseline. I don't know why, but I know I'm going to place that serve exactly where I put it. The trajectory and directional placement, and the power... I'm having so much consistency serving with this thing... and all of that feeds back into greater self belief... greater subconscious trust.

I volley better with the Euro too. That, at least, makes some rational sense as the frame has that extra solidity on impact. I think the sweetspot is slightly bigger too. The rest is probably psychological - trusting that it will feel more solid helps me to volley without fear.

In terms of touch, both are just insane. The Doppio edges it (of course), but only by a hair. I've found myself judging depth - short and long - with sublime ease with both rackets, again and again and again... Instinctive touch. Taking the pace off shots. Feeling the exact weight of drop shots and KNOWING whether you've slightly over-or-undercooked it. You know because both frames tell you. They communicate every byte of information back to you. They speak to you and coach you, if you're one who knows how to listen. I guess that's what makes them "players' rackets".

The Euro has a more forgiving launch angle for me and my technique. I love the 16x20 on the Doppio but I'm definitely not the master of it yet. And maybe if the Euro hadn't appeared in my life at that precise moment when I was beginning to gel with the Doppio... maybe I would have found the consistency that I'm missing. Too many of my shots hit the net cord and those unforced errors have been causing me to start thinking. Probably I shouldn't be trying to dial in two different frames with two different patterns at the same time. The Doppio is coming off the worse as a result - through no fault of its own, I might add. When I switch from 16x20 to 16x19, all is fine. But when I switch back the other way, the net becomes a factor.

The other thing to remember is that I'm still on my first sting job on both these frames. I know, right?! I've hit at least 30 hours with each by now and both stringbeds (Velocity and Cream) are still playing okay. A little tension loss now, I guess (and I'm looking forward to restringing both on Sunday) but no notching, no movement, and no serious lack of control yet. So it's still too early to draw conclusions about either of these beauties. I want to try Black Knight as so many here have recommended. And Micronite/OGSM is another combo I've had good results with that I want to try in both. So watch this space!

There have been some really perceptive comments and comparisons about these two.

@topspn This is bang on the money: "The doppio combination of hitting above its weight with the control and precision of that exquisite 16x20 string pattern is not equaled by the eurostaff. The euro hits less of a ball, more loopy and doesn't kick through the court as well. This of course is in finer terms so not huge. The euro brings an even bigger sweet spot with players racquet touch and feel that is truly nice. It is more stable laterally, yet whippy and don't feel any problem making those last sec adjustments with wrist flicks. It is the much better volley stick of the two especially when you think of an aggressive game were you are testing and looking for a shot were you can approach and move in. You can volley from NML and close in with greater confidence. " I seem to serve better with the Euro myself but maybe that's because I've added lead to mine but not my Doppio - opposite of you. BTW, what's "NML"?

@ryushen21 In the interests of science, you should really get one with the right grip size so we can have some proper like-for-like reviews around here!

@Nollid The RA feels around 66, I'd concur, and very comfy. I never use stiff strings though so wouldn't like to say...

@Power Player [The Eurostaff is] "easier to use if you are having days where the net is claiming more of your shots than usual" and "Feels like an old friend" Perfectly put. Probably because I'm more used to Pro Staffs, the Euro feels like an old, old friend, whereas the Doppio feels like some kind of soulmate from another dimension that I've just become karmically reaquainted with. It feels more magical, but also further away from me... and there's a sort of distant 'remembering' happening.
And this post almost exactly echoes my own experience.

Yeah I agree with most of this. The serves for me are heavier with the Eurostaff, but I mainly am serving slice and kicks right now. I want to get to where my 2nd is automatic and tough to deal with, so I can fire off some flats on first.

I need more time with the Staff but I don't seem to need a bigger ball up here. I'm keeping it deep and heavy with this badboy in stock form. I would say the kick off the bounce is tough for people to deal with based on their feedback. I need more singles matches where I can see if this is for certain, but the spin from the Eurostaff is helping me hit it hard and the ball is bouncing a little safer inside the lines than with the Doppio.

Not that the Doppio is a wild out of control cannon, but like you said this is pretty nuanced stuff. Both frames have so much whip that I find that is giving me the advantage more than anything. The amount of racquet head speed I can put on the ball is very beneficial. In the past when I got this much tip speed from a thinner beam frame, it was usually a lot lower powered and tiring to use. With these 2, it's just a perfect balance of power and control. The spin is just different amounts with each and of course the feel as well. If I had to make a sweeping generalization, the Doppio has that Prestige like crisp sweetspot and the Wilson has the buttery muted prostaff feel. Both are really, really nice, but if I had to choose a feel I think I'd say the Euro may win there. But I may change my mind on this in a week..they are very close in about every way.

@tim-ay What if they never release it in the US, man? Could you really go to your death bed with that on your conscience?

And @JGads ... Gads...Gads... I think if you're already in the groove with the 16x20 (arguably the more demanding launch angle but with more diverse shot potential and precision for those that can master it), your game may well thank you for sticking with the PK's. We can all sense you longing to know what the Euro feels like though

And on that note, To Everybody: Whatever racket allows you to play without thinking about the racket you're playing with - that's the one, right there! And that's probably why pro's are rarely holics... and holics are rarely pro's.

 

[JGads]

Ahh, the Doppio-Eurostaff comparison... That ol' conundrum.

I mean, there are many mysteries out there to ponder in this life. The cosmos, ancient civilisations, quantum mechanics... And I'm one that loves to ruminate, but I've got this feeling that long after I've solved Hawking's equations and figured out the meaning of life... (Hell, maybe I'll even have understood women one day!) ...long after I've put all those questions to bed and hung up my thinking cap, I think there's always going to be this unsolvable riddle perplexing me: Which one of these damn rackets is better?

And the scientist in me is somewhat at odds with the artist. One can analyse and theorise all one wants. Ticking boxes and applying logic and maths and physics and... And yeah, there are differences. And yeah, there are reasons. But when I get out there on the court, ahhh, I don't even know what happens. Life happens - that's what. Because life, and tennis rackets...they're not inanimate objects. They interact with us. They fuse (and confuse!) with us.

I stocked up on 4 Eurostaffs and 2 Doppios. That should tell you something for starters. I love them both a LOT, but the Eurostaff has become my first choice. But even in saying that, a part of me thinks of the Doppio...

I've come to see that the Doppio is indeed slightly more powerful, as others here were quicker to point out. I hit a more consistent ball with the Eurostaff though. There's something about that solid contact that really enthuses me with confidence and I make fewer mishits. Why is that?, my left brain has been wondering for the last fortnight. But my right brain doesn't care why. It just gets on with the job of hitting clean through the incoming ball. Footwork, contact.. Footwork, contact... I DON'T NEED TO THINK.

If you happen upon a racket which just feels like The One, don't second guess it. Surrender to it.

The Doppio has that 16x20 pattern. It can whip a bit better than the Eurostaff. It can make a heavy ball buck wildly with topspin and find impossible angles. And then it can knife the slice onto a dime. The Eurostaff does these things really well too, but the Doppio is its master.

The Doppio, on paper, often seems to be the better frame. It can do things, sometimes, that the Eurostaff can't really do - special, special things. But for some unfathomable reason, I prefer playing with the Euro. And I play better with it too.

And maybe it's as simple as that. Maybe I prefer it just because I play better with it.

But why do I play better with it?

My serves are much more effective with the Euro - no doubt about it. I don't know why but it just feels right in my hand as I compose myself at the baseline. I don't know why, but I know I'm going to place that serve exactly where I put it. The trajectory and directional placement, and the power... I'm having so much consistency serving with this thing... and all of that feeds back into greater self belief... greater subconscious trust.

I volley better with the Euro too. That, at least, makes some rational sense as the frame has that extra solidity on impact. I think the sweetspot is slightly bigger too. The rest is probably psychological - trusting that it will feel more solid helps me to volley without fear.

In terms of touch, both are just insane. The Doppio edges it (of course), but only by a hair. I've found myself judging depth - short and long - with sublime ease with both rackets, again and again and again... Instinctive touch. Taking the pace off shots. Feeling the exact weight of drop shots and KNOWING whether you've slightly over-or-undercooked it. You know because both frames tell you. They communicate every byte of information back to you. They talk to you if you're one who knows how to listen. They coach you. I guess that's why they call them 'players' rackets'.

The Euro has a more forgiving launch angle for me and my technique. I love the 16x20 on the Doppio but I'm definitely not the master of it yet. And maybe if the Euro hadn't appeared in my life at that precise moment when I was beginning to gel with the Doppio... maybe I would have found the consistency that I'm missing. Too many of my shots hit the net cord and those unforced errors have been causing me to start thinking. Probably I shouldn't be trying to master two different frames with two different patterns at the same time. The Doppio is coming off the worse as a result - through no fault of its own, I add. When I switch from 16x20 to 16x19, all is fine. But when I switch back the other way, the net becomes a factor.

The other thing to remember is that I'm still on my first sting job on both these frames. I know, right?! I've hit at least 30 hours with each by now and both stringbeds (Velocity and Cream) are still playing okay. A little tension loss now, I guess (and I'm looking forward to restringing both on Sunday) but no notching, no movement, and no serious lack of control yet. So it's still too early to draw conclusions about either of these beauties. I want to try Black Knight as so many here have recommended. And Micronite/OGSM is another combo I've had good results with that I want to try in both. So watch this space!

There have been some really perceptive comments and comparisons about these two.

@topspn This is bang on the money: "The doppio combination of hitting above its weight with the control and precision of that exquisite 16x20 string pattern is not equaled by the eurostaff. The euro hits less of a ball, more loopy and doesn't kick through the court as well. This of course is in finer terms so not huge. The euro brings an even bigger sweet spot with players racquet touch and feel that is truly nice. It is more stable laterally, yet whippy and don't feel any problem making those last sec adjustments with wrist flicks. It is the much better volley stick of the two especially when you think of an aggressive game were you are testing and looking for a shot were you can approach and move in. You can volley from NML and close in with greater confidence. " I seem to serve better with the Euro myself but maybe that's because I've added lead to mine but not my Doppio - opposite of you.

@ryushen21 In the interests of science, you should really get one with the right grip size so we can have some proper like-for-like reviews around here!

@Nollid The RA feels around 66, I'd concur, and very comfy. I never use stiff strings though so wouldn't like to say...

@Power Player [The Eurostaff is] "easier to use if you are having days where the net is claiming more of your shots than usual" and "Feels like an old friend" Perfectly put. Probably because I'm more used to Pro Staffs, the Euro feels like an old, old friend, whereas the Doppio feels like some kind of soulmate from another dimension that I've just become karmically reaquainted with. It feels more magical, but also further away from me... and there's a sort of distant 'remembering' happening.
And this post almost exactly echoes my own experience.


@tim-ay What if they never release it in the US, man? Could you really go to your death bed with that on your conscience?

And @JGads ... Gads...Gads... I think f you're already in the groove with the 16x20 (arguably the more demanding launch angle but with more diverse shot potential and precision if you can master it), your game may well thank you for sticking with the PK's. We can all sense you longing to know what the Euro feels like though

And on that note, To Everybody: Whatever racket allows you to play without thinking about the racket you're playing with - that's the one, right there! And that's probably why pro's are rarely holics... and holics are rarely pro's.

I don't know where you came from, but you're an instant legend.

 

[topspn]

I like alpha on the doppio. A nice bump in comfort from TS and somehow it retains a crisp with a decent pocket and doesn't feel dampened. Respectable spin and decent control to boot. Then i picked up my element strung doppio and f$ck me, its better. Damned element is just too good on the doppio and everything happens with a wonderful consistent response and you can do what you want.