Dissapointed in Nadal

[poofytail]

Even as a diehard fan of Nadal I was dissapointed in him last night. Yes, he definitely had a legitimate injury. However Wawrinka was outplaying him and on the way to winning the match even before the injury. Maybe I am interpreting it wrong but I got the impression he managed to make it seem more about the injury than about Wawrinka and I didnt like that. It p@ssed me off to read the match reports after the match and see things like "Wawrinka beats wounded Nadal for first slam" "Wawrinka beats injured Nadal in final" "Nadal gets by hobbled Nadal in first Australian Open final". That was such a discredit to him and how he played the tournament, and the final which previously few gave him much for beforehand. Maybe I am looking at it wrong and blaming Nadal for something other people are responsible for but that is how I feel now. I hope Wawrinka is fully recognized for his great win and all this talk about Nadal's injury ends ASAP.

 

[Praetorian]

Even as a diehard fan of Nadal I was dissapointed in him last night. Yes, he definitely had a legitimate injury. However Wawrinka was outplaying him and on the way to winning the match even before the injury. Maybe I am interpreting it wrong but I got the impression he managed to make it seem more about the injury than about Wawrinka and I didnt like that. It p@ssed me off to read the match reports after the match and see things like "Wawrinka beats wounded Nadal for first slam" "Wawrinka beats injured Nadal in final" "Nadal gets by hobbled Nadal in first Australian Open final". That was such a discredit to him and how he played the tournament, and the final which previously few gave him much for beforehand. Maybe I am looking at it wrong and blaming Nadal for something other people are responsible for but that is how I feel now. I hope Wawrinka is fully recognized for his great win and all this talk about Nadal's injury ends ASAP.

Yet you started a new thread about his injury. Ironic

 

[Mustard]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I will never get this "credibility" stuff. Your job is to find a way to win, however you can. Wawrinka did that, Nadal didn't.

 

[monfed]

Yet you started a new thread about his injury. Ironic

LOL Pwned! Nadal has put his fans in such an awkward position that they can't even laud Stan for his incredible accomplishment without acknowledging Nadal's absolutely gutter level behaviour.

 

[poofytail]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I will never get this "credibility" stuff. Your job is to find a way to win, however you can. Wawrinka did that, Nadal didn't.

I agree, but I wish Nadal hadnt milked that he had an injury. Maybe I am looking at it wrong, but the last thing he should have done is given any impression that was the overriding factor in the match, and I get the impression that is what he did for many and it annoys me. I felt a bit bad for Wawrinka's reaction at the end even, I wanted to see him jump and get excited, and he seemed to hold himself back because of how Nadal had potrayed himself the 2nd half of the match.

 

[Murrayfan31]

Nadal lost because he was injured.

 

[namelessone]

Even as a diehard fan of Nadal I was dissapointed in him last night. Yes, he definitely had a legitimate injury. However Wawrinka was outplaying him and on the way to winning the match even before the injury. Maybe I am interpreting it wrong but I got the impression he managed to make it seem more about the injury than about Wawrinka and I didnt like that. It p@ssed me off to read the match reports after the match and see things like "Wawrinka beats wounded Nadal for first slam" "Wawrinka beats injured Nadal in final" "Nadal gets by hobbled Nadal in first Australian Open final". That was such a discredit to him and how he played the tournament, and the final which previously few gave him much for beforehand. Maybe I am looking at it wrong and blaming Nadal for something other people are responsible for but that is how I feel now. I hope Wawrinka is fully recognized for his great win and all this talk about Nadal's injury ends ASAP.

That's never going to happen because:

1)Nadal is the more famous guy.

2)Nadal's injury had an effect on his game and on the quality of the final, his injury didn't come late in the third set when no one was gonna care, he called a MTO midway during the 2nd set.

3)In this particular matchup it was always gonna be more about Nadal's input, I lost count of how many times comms parotted the 26-0 sets to Nadal stat. Most tennis analysts gave Wawrinka a look at a set at most.

And this is without mentioning all the double career slam talk surrounding Nadal. Wawrinka's first slam is a great story but it can't be developed on whereas all these "storylines" around Nadal make it easy for journalists to fill the papers for weeks on end.

 

[Fiji]

Nadal lost because he was injured.

No. He was outplayed. Reminds me of Rosol and Darcis.

 

[Mustard]

The fact is, it doesn't matter why he lost, but that he did lose.

 

[reversef]

LOL Pwned! Nadal has put his fans in such an awkward position that they can't even laud Stan for his incredible accomplishment without acknowledging Nadal's absolutely gutter level behaviour.

Because Wawrinka deserving his title and Nadal being injured are incompatible in your world? Not in mine and not in the the world of any person who knows a little bit something about tennis.
Nadal was a class act as usual, and everyone who is not completely blind or dumb will admit it.

 

[djones]

No. He was outplayed. Reminds me of Rosol and Darcis.

Wawrinka outplayed an injured Nadal.

 

[dh003i]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I will never get this "credibility" stuff. Your job is to find a way to win, however you can. Wawrinka did that, Nadal didn't.

I agree. Absent Monica Seles-incidents or cheating, the player who won unquestionably deserved to win. Stan played fantastic in the semifinal and final and absolutely deserved to win.

Injuries are a part of the game, just like talent is. Nadal's injuries have to do with a combination of his playing style and body. Both of which are thing he has ownership of. And you have to take the bad along with the good -- the same playing style and body that gives him the injuries he has is also responsible for 13 Major finals won. And yes, sometimes injuries are freak accidents, but that's just the luck of life. It was completely non-tennis-related when Federer contracted mono, but it is what it is. Maybe the kid who would have won 25 Majors and several CYGSs is in a wheelchair because of a drunk driver.

Wawrinka absolutely played fantastic and deserved the win. No question about it.

 

[dh003i]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I will never get this "credibility" stuff. Your job is to find a way to win, however you can. Wawrinka did that, Nadal didn't.
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The fact is, it doesn't matter why he lost, but that he did lose.

Best posts in this thread.

 

[RF20Lennon]

Give him a break! He was injured and he still kept playing when he could've easily quit. Yeah Wawrinka outplayed him for a set but so did Dimitrov. It wasn't exactly vintage Rafa this tournament except against Federer.

 

[monfed]

Because Wawrinka deserving his title and Nadal being injured are incompatible in your world? Not in mine and not in the the world of any person who knows a little bit something about tennis.
Nadal was a class act as usual, and everyone who is not completely blind or dumb will admit it.

The world you live in is where cheaters prosper. I don't wanna be part of your world,thank you very much.

 

[Mainad]

I agree with the OP. The number of times Nadal pulls out the injury card whenever he is getting dominated by his opponent, especially by one he is expected to beat (which doesn't happen too often).

Has anybody who has never beaten him before ever been allowed to beat Nadal in a Slam without the latter being (a) tired or (b) injured or (c) tired AND injured?

Wawrinka was clearly outplaying Nadal in the first 2 sets and it was only towards the end of the 2nd that Nadal suddenly began grabbing his back and called for the MTO. Then all of a sudden, it becomes ALL about poor Rafa and how bad he is feeling and poor Stan is somehow not expected to revel in his great triumph out of respect for his 'injured' opponent!

Maybe I'm being a bit unfair, but I can't help but wonder if this injury would have shown itself if Nadal had managed to win that first set??:evil:

 

[TMF]

Injured or not, he wasn't going to beat Stan who was a better player. Stan beat the defending champion Nole who almost lost to Stan last year. He's 1-14 against Nole and 0-12 against Nadal coming into this AO. Underdog or not, if he can beat Nole certainly he can beat Nadal. I also see Stan groundstrokes give Nadal more problems than Nole since he generates more power, and his bh wasn't exploided by Nadal's topspin. There was no safe place to go, Stan was able to push Nadal around from both side.

Check out Stan's amazing bh winner from 0 - 0:18 sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5uVFhCDDU

 

[monfed]

Stan sure did let fly those BH DTL missiles. Body blow after body blow. Imagine if Ralph was right handed, all of his disgusting moonballing would result to this coz his #StinkHand would be up against the FHs of the tour. Luckiest player ever.

 

[Amelie Mauresmo]

The OP has a point but at the end of the day Stanislas Wawrinka is a grand slam winner! NOBODY can take this away from Stan. Stan is in the history books he will go down as a slam winner. I think Stan will hopefully challenge for more slams. I am very disappointed in Nadal and the media for trying to take away from Stan stunning upset.

 

[Amelie Mauresmo]

I agree with the OP. The number of times Nadal pulls out the injury card whenever he is getting dominated by his opponent, especially by one he is expected to beat (which doesn't happen too often).

Has anybody who has never beaten him before ever been allowed to beat Nadal in a Slam without the latter being (a) tired or (b) injured or (c) tired AND injured?

Wawrinka was clearly outplaying Nadal in the first 2 sets and it was only towards the end of the 2nd that Nadal suddenly began grabbing his back and called for the MTO. Then all of a sudden, it becomes ALL about poor Rafa and how bad he is feeling and poor Stan is somehow not expected to revel in his great triumph out of respect for his 'injured' opponent!

Maybe I'm being a bit unfair, but I can't help but wonder if this injury would have shown itself if Nadal had managed to win that first set??:evil:

This, Nadal is the boy who cried wolf. Of course NOBODY in the press is brave enough to call out Nadal on his BS.

 

[Boom-Boom]

Of course when you're the big favorite and being humiliated in front of the world in a slam final, the only thing you can do is exagerate an injury, ask for a medical time-out OFF court (when you normally wait till the end of the set for that - in the middle of a set the physio usually come ON court) and try to leverage the intox.

That is if you're someone used to receive on-court coaching, take 50 sec between points and blame your knees whenever you're being surclassed by a better player.

 

[JohnnyMac Fan!]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I will never get this "credibility" stuff. Your job is to find a way to win, however you can. Wawrinka did that, Nadal didn't.

This is reasonable.

 

[JohnnyMac Fan!]

Nadal lost because he was injured.

Err...not so simple. If you rationalize it based on their H2H it makes sense. But Wawa was already posing increasing danger to Nadal since last year by getting close on their sets.

The injury hampered his ability to rise his game and movement as he usually does. In that regard I can see your point been valid.

 

[dafinch]

Even as a diehard fan of Nadal I was dissapointed in him last night. Yes, he definitely had a legitimate injury. However Wawrinka was outplaying him and on the way to winning the match even before the injury. Maybe I am interpreting it wrong but I got the impression he managed to make it seem more about the injury than about Wawrinka and I didnt like that. It p@ssed me off to read the match reports after the match and see things like "Wawrinka beats wounded Nadal for first slam" "Wawrinka beats injured Nadal in final" "Nadal gets by hobbled Nadal in first Australian Open final". That was such a discredit to him and how he played the tournament, and the final which previously few gave him much for beforehand. Maybe I am looking at it wrong and blaming Nadal for something other people are responsible for but that is how I feel now. I hope Wawrinka is fully recognized for his great win and all this talk about Nadal's injury ends ASAP.

Well said. A reasonable BP fan, whatta refreshing change.

 

[dafinch]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I will never get this "credibility" stuff. Your job is to find a way to win, however you can. Wawrinka did that, Nadal didn't.

Same thing that I said in post # 24, only more so, given I've seen some posts by you that, IMO, were NOT so reasonable. Tip 'o the cap...

 

[West Coast Ace]

I agree with the OP. The number of times Nadal pulls out the injury card whenever he is getting dominated by his opponent, especially by one he is expected to beat (which doesn't happen too often).

Has anybody who has never beaten him before ever been allowed to beat Nadal in a Slam without the latter being (a) tired or (b) injured or (c) tired AND injured?

Wawrinka was clearly outplaying Nadal in the first 2 sets and it was only towards the end of the 2nd that Nadal suddenly began grabbing his back and called for the MTO. Then all of a sudden, it becomes ALL about poor Rafa and how bad he is feeling and poor Stan is somehow not expected to revel in his great triumph out of respect for his 'injured' opponent!

Maybe I'm being a bit unfair, but I can't help but wonder if this injury would have shown itself if Nadal had managed to win that first set??:evil:

No, you're absolutely correct. Nadal can't accept losing to players who aren't his peers - Federer and Djokovic. Murray, Tsonga, Ferrer at the AO; Delpo at the USO. The guys you mentioned at Wimbledon. Sad.

 

[icazares]

"I would like to congratulate Stan and make clear two facts. First, I have a back injury. If you think about my back as a rectangle, the injury is in the lower left quadrant. The muscle got very tight and limited my movement severely. But second, the back issue didn't have an impact in my performance during the first set, in which Stan outplayed me. You guys all watched the match. He was pounding the ball relentlessly and very successfully. I had no answers for him. I can't tell what the outcome of the match would have been if I didn't get injured. No one can. Perhaps I would have had a chance. But it would have been an uphill battle given Stan's level. Remember, he was the one who took out Djokovic. And let's be honest. Part of the game is the ability to stay healthy in a brutal match like yesterday's was going to be. So it's not bad luck. It's about the limits of the body".

That would have been classy. That's what I didn't hear. Nadal jumped quickly to say that he felt something wrong since the warm-up. I'm not going to judge him, since he is also very disappointed. Who wouldn't be. He had a real shot at his 14th GS. But Nadal is not the class act that some people think he is. Neither is Roger.

 

[Crose]

No one in the press is brave enough to do so because IT WAS NOT FAKE. The only people who are criticizing Nadal for cheating are blind morons who clearly have an agenda against Rafa.

Even Robin ****ing Soderling talking about how nice a guy Rafa is and that this is serious.

 

[West Coast Ace]

Nadal jumped quickly to say that he felt something wrong since the warm-up.

Yep. And then realized what he said and that it didn't mesh with playing all out until he was a set and a break down, then tried to say he didnt' really mean it. He's classless.

 

[Crose]

Yep. And then realized what he said and that it didn't mesh with playing all out until he was a set and a break down, then tried to say he didnt' really mean it. He's classless.

And you're an idiot. If you had a functioning set of eyes you could see that he tweaked the back mid match, but that does not mean everything was perfectly fine before it. He probably thought it was nothing serious and pushed through it. Unfortunately Stan pushed him around and that's when he tweaked it. You're probably the same type of classless moron who destroyed Tomic for "not trying" the match before he got surgery.

 

[Kirijax]

The OP said it perfectly. With Nadal, he has a way of making it all about him and he took something away from Wawrinka last night, even though he lost. He's getting blown off the court and he starts wincing, stretching, grimacing, and finally crying into his towel. Until then we were all amazed at the level of Wawrinka's play, but then it became all about Nadal once again.

Suck it up and be a man Nadal.

 

[Mike Sams]

Nadal sure likes being dramatic during his injuries. We get it, you're injured! Stop acting like a crybaby! :lol:

 

[dafinch]

And you're an idiot. If you had a functioning set of eyes you could see that he tweaked the back mid match, but that does not mean everything was perfectly fine before it. He probably thought it was nothing serious and pushed through it. Unfortunately Stan pushed him around and that's when he tweaked it. You're probably the same type of classless moron who destroyed Tomic for "not trying" the match before he got surgery.

You hurl a lot of insults at people who have the temerity to disagree with you. Well, here's a math lesson for you, Big Mouth: BP, in effect, whipped out a megaphone and bellowed, "Hello, I'm INJURED!" in the third game of the second set. Htf is that "mid match" of a four set match, Brainiac?

 

[reversef]

The world you live in is where cheaters prosper. I don't wanna be part of your world,thank you very much.

I certainly don't want to be part of yours: incredible hate, arrogance, worst losers ever, and generally speaking the worst mentality you can find. :-?

 

[BreakPoint]

Nadal lost because he was injured.

Is that also how Nadal lost the first set and a half? :???:

 

[Mick]

Is that also how Nadal lost the first set and a half? :???:

he was fine but Wawrinka's serves and forehand were so great, Nadal hurt himself in trying to retrieve them.

 

[coloskier]

And you're an idiot. If you had a functioning set of eyes you could see that he tweaked the back mid match, but that does not mean everything was perfectly fine before it. He probably thought it was nothing serious and pushed through it. Unfortunately Stan pushed him around and that's when he tweaked it. You're probably the same type of classless moron who destroyed Tomic for "not trying" the match before he got surgery.

Injuries are an excuse, nothing more. You play with what you bring, or stay home. Have you ever seen Nadal take an MTO when he was winning??? Didn't think so....

 

[merwy]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I will never get this "credibility" stuff. Your job is to find a way to win, however you can. Wawrinka did that, Nadal didn't.

Completely agree. You can't worry about details like that, focus on the important stuff in life. Regardless of all the crazy things that can happen in a match, the winner is the one who comes out on top.

 

[Narcissist]

He had the guts to push on and not retire to let Stan take his first GS rather than win by default. This deserves respect.

 

[mistik]

Injuries are an excuse, nothing more. You play with what you bring, or stay home. Have you ever seen Nadal take an MTO when he was winning??? Didn't think so....

Yes he took MTO in Wimbledon when he hit a winner and has a set point against Del po. He twisted his ankle going to runnıng forehand. People still got mad but the reality is Del po saved the set point after the MTO had a 4 love lead on the tiebreak.Del po lost the tiebreak it is all Del Po fault but people got mad of nadal.Nadal did have a set point going in to the MTO though.

 

[Amelie Mauresmo]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I will never get this "credibility" stuff. Your job is to find a way to win, however you can. Wawrinka did that, Nadal didn't.

This is an awesome point which the media need to remember. Stan did what he had to do he is the AO champion.

 

[snowwhite]

I'm never disappointed in Nadal
Everyday is another day to try new things, and win!
The past is now a past, the future is full of great success to reap
Until the guy retires I will never be disappointed
P.s: I know the thread is about the injury stuff and all thing (already bored of reading similar stuff over and over) but I'm just commenting on the adress of it

 

[BreakPoint]

Yes he took MTO in Wimbledon when he hit a winner and has a set point against Del po. He twisted his ankle going to runnıng forehand. People still got mad but the reality is Del po saved the set point after the MTO had a 4 love lead on the tiebreak.Del po lost the tiebreak it is all Del Po fault but people got mad of nadal.Nadal did have a set point going in to the MTO though.

You need to get it through your head that Nadal is a cheater who will do anything and everything possible in order to win a tennis match - including stretching the rules, unethical behavior, and unsportsmanship-like conduct. There's a reason why he get boo-ed all over the world, and why Federer has won 10 times the number of sportsmanship awards that Nadal has.

 

[TennisCJC]

Congrats to Stan.

Nadal leads the top 4 in MTOs by a long shot. The guy has taken more MTOs then Djoko, Fed, Murray and Ferrer combined. We should go back to the old days where you get 3 minutes 1 time in a match and if you cannot continue, you default. Heck, Nadal plays so slow you would think his body would have time to rejuvenate itself between points.