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Djokovic closing in on Federer's big titles record
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Looking at that, it just feels wrong that Nadal has a Zero against the WTF
Should have won one at least
Should have won one at least
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'Feels wrong' is a nice euphemism.
I should use that more often
It's just the whole
Big Title Kings thing and then you see a big fat zero next to Nadal in the WTF column.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
At the biggest titles, however, Federer remains far ahead (20 vs. 15).
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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Needs to get a little closer at Slams.
Djokovic2011
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It's incredible that he's just one title behind despite having appeared in 50 big tournaments less than Federer has.
nochweiterroger
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But his 2014 'win' was a walk over as Roger retired after his epic match against Stan in order to save himself for the Davis Cup final. So that 'record' is a fake record.
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What record is fake?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=BigTitles
Murray is 11th best. Above Edberg and Wilander.
I disagree by lumping MS1000 with the 4 Grand Slam tournaments. The majors are too great and should never mixed with any other lower tournaments.
If the MS1000 are included then the rest of the ATP tournaments should included too.
Most single titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Roger Federer 101
3. Ivan Lendl 94
4. Rafael Nadal 80
5. John McEnroe 77
6. Novak Djokovic 74
If the MS1000 are included then the rest of the ATP tournaments should included too.
Most single titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Roger Federer 101
3. Ivan Lendl 94
4. Rafael Nadal 80
5. John McEnroe 77
6. Novak Djokovic 74
alexio
G.O.A.T.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
It's a nice achievement. Djokovic has had this for quite some time though in reality. Nothing new at all. Well done Novak. Now win a few slams to back it up or it won't matter in the end. That simple.
Towny
Hall of Fame
Not sure slam titles and Big titles can really be considered separate records, given slam titles are part of the composite of Big titles. I don't disagree with your prediction however.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
''Other Big Titles'' (outside Slams) would be more correct maybe.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
I completely disagree. He’ll have all 3 for sure
Djokovic2011
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van_Loederen
Professional
Feder 100 titles fuss was as silly.
ATP marketing stunts
ATP marketing stunts
TheMaestro1990
Hall of Fame
No he shouldn’t. Never deserved to win one considering his level of play.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
And that's even without including his 2 Olympic singles titles.
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Mainad
Bionic Poster
It's just the whole
Big Title Kings thing and then you see a big fat zero next to Nadal in the WTF column.
Don't forget, according to some Rafafans it's only an exho (at least until he wins one).
Mainad
Bionic Poster
That's down to Fed, not Djokovic. If Fed wants to tank a WTF final that's his lookout. He conceded the title to Djokovic because he didn't want to fight him for it. Doesn't affect Djokovic's titles record at all.
Poisoned Slice
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Deon Sanders
Legend
There are only 4 true big titles
1) Wimbledon
2) US Open
3) World Tour Finals
4) Cincinnati
These events are the events from the three big title tiers (slam, yec, masters) that have the most history due to age of event and most consistent attendance of the top players since their creating.
Things like the Australian Open are out because a significant number of people never even bothered to show up to that for decades.
What is the title count comparison out of this accurate big titles list.
1) Wimbledon
2) US Open
3) World Tour Finals
4) Cincinnati
These events are the events from the three big title tiers (slam, yec, masters) that have the most history due to age of event and most consistent attendance of the top players since their creating.
Things like the Australian Open are out because a significant number of people never even bothered to show up to that for decades.
What is the title count comparison out of this accurate big titles list.
V1V3lafrance
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This is just a pathetic attempt by the ATP to claw for some relevance in tennis. Comparing their mickey mouse (WTF) tournaments to the ITF's slams is like comparing the cast of the big bang theory with real-life Nobel prize winners.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I’m sorry but Wimbledon is out. No tournament played on a continent still in the Stone Age counts. Let me know when they get electricity and no longer need mummy and daddy’s permission to stay up until midnight. Until then, get out of it. That means the last decade or so of WTFs don’t count either.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Nothing has changed in terms of him catching Federer but the three slam titles both have won since then are very meaningful overall.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Federer 26
Djokovic 13
Nadal 6
Murray 6
Cilic 2
Del Potro 1
Dimitrov 1
Zverev 1
I think I see where this is going.
duaneeo
Legend
Yes, but that's not the topic of the thread.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Isn't "biggest titles" just marketing bull by the ATP?
davced1
Hall of Fame
Got it! I believe they made it up last year.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
The 'big titles' is a recent catch phrase used by the ATP website to garner clicks. They know bloody well the 'Masters' is a recent phenomenon.
The real things that matter are
1. Slam Count
2. Weeks at No 1
3. Overall no of titles
4, YE Titles
The real things that matter are
1. Slam Count
2. Weeks at No 1
3. Overall no of titles
4, YE Titles
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
No, it simply refers to the 14 tournaments a year where you can expect the top players to show up
NEW_BORN
Hall of Fame
Well considering Masters 1000 finals are no longer best-of-5 set encounters, coupled with the fact that top players get a bye in the 1st round, it's no longer as prestigious as it once was back in the early 2000's. For instance, Djokovic only had to win 4 matches to lift the trophy in Madrid, hardly comparable to say Nadal winning Rome2006, where he had to win 6 matches including a 5 hour marathon final.
Tennis_Hands
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Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, he was scheduled to play 5 but had a walkover in 1 of them. The introduction of the 1st round bye for seeded players was to help attract the top players to participate as they were the ones who usually won or went deep in these events and there had been a growing risk of them not participating with so many Masters being played back to back which is a scheduling issue.
NEW_BORN
Hall of Fame
Still doesn't change the fact that Djokovic only had to win 4 matches to win Madrid. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
Presumably ATP tries to promote their own events (Masters 1000 and WTF) by lumping them together with the biggest tournaments in the sport (Grand Slams), that are however governed by ITF.
Same old **** again. ATP promote itself and demote ITF. Nothing to be surprised at.
Druss
Hall of Fame
It's a shame Federer didn't have this p^^s weak competition back in 2012 when he climbed back to the top spot! Well good luck to Djoker... hopefully he'll make good use of this woeful period.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
All the Miamis and Romes really showed Fed, OP.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
I think the appropriate solution is ignoring the Slam record and only looking at big titles
underground
G.O.A.T.
Realistically the ATP is trying to promote their own tournaments more as opposed to the ITF based slams so they’re trying to group everything together. It’s all about the brand these days.
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