Djokovic doesn't consider himself amongst the favourites for Wimbledon
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maximo
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Claudius
Professional
Federer wont win, Murray will.
You said it.
maximo
Banned
I said, Murray is one of the favorites to win.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
Lol, i honestly do believe in what i say tho.
Even though you are never right with your predictions?
maximo
Banned
Never right? Murray's better than Federer. Thats correct.
You will see this Wimby and US Open.
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maximo
Banned
No, its just Fed fans can't bear Murray since he's better than him.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
He's never gotten anything right he's going to look like a clown if Murray doesn't win one of the Wimbledon or the USO.
vtmike
Banned
maximo
Banned
Can't recall anything you've said which is correct.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
So what does he look like right now?
True he's a clown now he will look like a bigger one if that happens.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
You're more than free to search my posts.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
How? It's nothing more than a match up issue. Is Blake better than Nadal? You didn't answer this last time I asked.
maximo
Banned
I don't stalk fellow posters.
JeMar
Legend
You're rapidly getting up there with the likes of RubberDuckies.
Fine, I'll go out and say that Murray pretty much just stood on the court as Federer went ahead and sprayed forehands into the stands in all four of his losses, with the exception of Shanghai. He's still a far better player than Murray when his confidence is on (which it is now) and only people as narrow-minded as someone like some Murray fans on here will argue the opposite. You have a world of experience vs. inexperience, big match experience vs. one slam final, 14 slams vs. no slams, 5 Wimbledons vs. no Wimbledons. Need I really go on?
Wait until the tournament's over and let's see if Murray's even accomplished anything before you go on spewing your bull all over the internet. However, the exponentially more likely outcome is that Murray will go out in the round of 16 to some journeyman that got hot because Murray plays the exact kind of game that invites for that to happen. Then you will go on into obscurity for a month and wait for us to forget. When that happens, you'll come on and begin this same ******** exercise during the hardcourt season in preparation for the U.S. Open. Then I'll have to come on here again and again talk you down and point out your extremely misplaced fanboyism.
maximo
Banned
Claudius
Professional
Well said.
JeMar
Legend
So is that when you like remove the spices from someone before you eat them?
Or were you looking for "despise"?
The tennis guy
Hall of Fame
You are never the favorite to win a slam before a slam when you never won a slam. If during Wimbledon both Federer and Nadal fell early, then you can say Murray is the favorite.
maximo
Banned
A bag of excuses, your a fanboy of Federer. Your simply a hypocrite.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Mature responce what are you 12?
maximo
Banned
I would have a look at the contradictions within your posts.
maximo
Banned
The tennis guy
Hall of Fame
Stupid comment. How is Murray better than Federer? Obviously you can't compare 14 slam titles vs Zero, obviously you can't compare this year either, one slam title and one final vs zero slam title and zero slam final, and zero semifinal as well.
I get it. It is in your mind. Time for you medication now.
batz
G.O.A.T.
Maximo - have you heard of the term 'pride comes before a fall'?
JeMar - while I can understand your frustration with Max - I think you've gone a bit OTT with your assertions in bold.
Are you really saying that Roger had no confidence when he played Murray in Madrid? Roger had just won the USO and had got to the semis without dropping a set.
Are you sure it's exponentially more likely that Murray will go out of Wimbledon to a hot journeyman? It's just that this is not something that has ever happened to Murray before - having only ever lost to Nalbandian, Baggy on his way to the semis, or Nadal on the way to the title. And that was before he started winning Masters Shields, making slam finals and going into slams seeded 3. Is it possible? Yes - but exponentially more likely?
JeMar
Legend
Please do. You'll be disappointed.
Not that I expect you to do anything, though. Internet trolls are famous for making claims like that can't be proven and just ignoring the rebuttal and moving on. I wouldn't be surprised if you never acknowledge this post.
maximo
Banned
Proven claims? Lol, the things you've pointed out were by no means backed up.
JeMar
Legend
Obviously, I'm exaggerating. You gotta fight fire with fire, my friend. Murray's wins over Federer came from Murray executing a winning game plan, and Federer at that time wasn't able to counter it before the time was up. Beating Federer in a best-of-five set match is much more difficult than it is to beat him in a best-of-three format, which is where Murray's wins have come.
As far as his Wimbledon prospects, I don't expect he will go out to some journeyman, but I do expect he will go out to a current or former top 15 player that gets on a hot streak because of his style. Sure, he baits you into missing when you go for winners, but what happens when those winners start going in? We all saw what happened in the French Open a few weeks ago.
batz
G.O.A.T.
JeMar
Legend
That was a dumb comment so you can see what your comments look like. That's the same sentiment that everyone feels when they read your comments about Murray. Check the later post for what will probably happen to Murray at SW19.
markmurray
New User
Ok. Murray is my favourite player but...
I'd say he wins Wimbledon with no more than 20% probability this year, though I personally put the figure at about 15%. This makes him a contender, for sure. IMO, it makes him one of 4 strong contenders (the other 3 being the rest of the Top 4).
This is how I book it:
Fed: 35%
Nadal: 30%
Murray: 15%
Djokovic: 10% (Trying to keep this thread slightly on topic, I consider Djokovic a contender, but not a favourite for Wimbledon.)
Roddick: 5%
Rest of field: 10%
Federer is an obvious favourite, given recent happenings. Nadal has to be a close second if he plays given h2h with Federer at Wimbledon and his proven grand slam pedigree. Murray simply looked awesome at Queens and has come on leaps and bounds in the past year, I think he is a comfortable 3rd favourite. Djokovic has proven that he can beat anyone which makes him a contender, but he can lose when he perhaps shouldn't, which detracts from that. Saying he wins it 10% of the time, I give him more credit than some bookmakers (you can get odds of 13/1 on betfair, last time I checked) and that is because I think he has a lot of heart. I guess what I am saying is don't be too surprised if he takes it down. Roddick, I think deserves a mention ahead of the rest of the field because of how awesome he has been this year. He's proven that he can be tactically adept, which is, as far as I'm concerned, evidence that he is better now than ever. All of the old weapons are still as good as ever, but he now has the nouse. The reason I give the rest of field such a high percentage is twofold. 1) The French Open showed that perhaps they have caught up with the Top 4: Soderling, Gonzales, Haas, Del Potro, Kohlschreiber... all of these either beat the Top 4 or took them to 5 sets. 2) On the grass, there are certain players that can dominate and frustrate with their serve and their power. Two candidates that spring to mind are Cilic and Karlovic. I don't doubt that there are other players that are somewhat under the radar who could pull it off. History has proven it is possible.
I'd say he wins Wimbledon with no more than 20% probability this year, though I personally put the figure at about 15%. This makes him a contender, for sure. IMO, it makes him one of 4 strong contenders (the other 3 being the rest of the Top 4).
This is how I book it:
Fed: 35%
Nadal: 30%
Murray: 15%
Djokovic: 10% (Trying to keep this thread slightly on topic, I consider Djokovic a contender, but not a favourite for Wimbledon.)
Roddick: 5%
Rest of field: 10%
Federer is an obvious favourite, given recent happenings. Nadal has to be a close second if he plays given h2h with Federer at Wimbledon and his proven grand slam pedigree. Murray simply looked awesome at Queens and has come on leaps and bounds in the past year, I think he is a comfortable 3rd favourite. Djokovic has proven that he can beat anyone which makes him a contender, but he can lose when he perhaps shouldn't, which detracts from that. Saying he wins it 10% of the time, I give him more credit than some bookmakers (you can get odds of 13/1 on betfair, last time I checked) and that is because I think he has a lot of heart. I guess what I am saying is don't be too surprised if he takes it down. Roddick, I think deserves a mention ahead of the rest of the field because of how awesome he has been this year. He's proven that he can be tactically adept, which is, as far as I'm concerned, evidence that he is better now than ever. All of the old weapons are still as good as ever, but he now has the nouse. The reason I give the rest of field such a high percentage is twofold. 1) The French Open showed that perhaps they have caught up with the Top 4: Soderling, Gonzales, Haas, Del Potro, Kohlschreiber... all of these either beat the Top 4 or took them to 5 sets. 2) On the grass, there are certain players that can dominate and frustrate with their serve and their power. Two candidates that spring to mind are Cilic and Karlovic. I don't doubt that there are other players that are somewhat under the radar who could pull it off. History has proven it is possible.
P_Agony
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Wow, you are unbelievable. I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but this is just crazy. You do realize Murray has never beaten Federer in a best of 5, nor on grass. You do realize that Federer is a 5 time Wimbeldon champion. You do realize there is this guy called Rafa Nadal who spanked Murray in straight sets last year.
Yes, Murray has improved and he can do well at Wimbly this year, but calling him the favorite is downright insane. I doubt he even thinks of himself as such.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
I don't "dispice" Murray. If you actually read my posts (batz will vouch for this, as he is a Murray fan who can actually be objective) you'll see that I have a lot of positive things to say about Murray. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I despise Murray.
JeMar
Legend
In a pretty uninteresting match. Some might even say it was a rout.
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JeMar
Legend
Point taken.
I disagree with your forecast - but then I would
He does have a much better chance than 99% of the field, don't get me wrong. But I have a very hard time putting him ahead of Nadal, Federer, and a couple of others. You never know, though. This year might be his year.
It definitely won't be made easier by some of the loony fans he seems to have.
batz
G.O.A.T.
Rafa made 8 unforced errors that day. EIGHT! in 3 sets of tennis. He was like a machine.
JeMar
Legend
You're right. But it seems that Murray plays more passively when the score gets tighter, as has been seen in the majority of his losses. If he hasn't gotten over that by the time he meets a Rafa and the like, he won't be hitting through the court enough to make his opponent feel like they have to go for big shots and make errors.
batz
G.O.A.T.
If you check my posts you'll see I've consistently made Murray third favourite behind the 2 guys who usually win the slams - doesn't mean I'm not on his bandwagon though
batz
G.O.A.T.
TheJoe - you are very objective when it comes to Murray. Some on here open their mouths and let their bellies rumble about the guy but you ain't one of them mate.
P_Agony
Banned
It was IMO. Murray was playing well, had the crowd behind him, and couldn't even win a set. I always wondered what would have happenned had Gasquet been there instead of Murray. I think he would have taken a set off of Nadal. Maybe 2 if he was really on.
Maximo is talking as if in the recent year Murray has turned to some kind of a god. This is the same guy who has stated Murray is better than Federer and Djokovic on clay. If I remember correctly this is also the same guy who stated Murray is the favorite for the AO and also the FO (since Nadal was gone).
Being a fan is one thing, but being realistic is another. Oh well.
thalivest
Banned
Gasquet taking a set or two off Nadal at last years Wimbledon!?!? You are delusional in this case, and no I am not speaking as a Nadal fan in this case. I know you admited you thought Gasquet was atleast the 2nd most talented player in the game behind Federer, or even possibly the most talented. Let me put this blunty, you overrate him by a huge margin period. He just isnt as good as you think he is, never will be.
Nadal would have taken him apart, as badly or moreso than Murray. What does he have to hurt Nadal with, a pretty backhand, that is it. Nadal would have taken apart that piece of garbage forehand which isnt even top 100 caliber, Gasquet's serve isnt anything that would trouble Nadal, nor is his return game.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Nadal spanked Gasquet on a indoor hardcourt last year Nadal's worst surface he would have beaten Gasquet like a government mule if they meet at Wimbledon last year.
thalivest
Banned
Do you know when the news about Gasquet's suspension length will come in? In a way I feel sorry for him as I dont feel he did anything that wrong or that constitutes attempted cheating, but in another way atleast I wont have to hear all this stupid overhype over some 3rd rate player with one good shot.
P_Agony
Banned
Let's leave the talent discussions aside for a minute, shall we, and just look at the facts:
Gasquet has proved he can win sets from Nadal. He did it in almost every meeting. Out of 6 matches they played, Gasquet has won a set in 4 of them. He didn't win a set in one clay match (RG), and one HC match.
Gasquet's favorite surface is grass, and his game is really suited for grass. He went far at Wimbly once, and was only stopped by the eventual champion.
It's not that odd to say he could have won a set against Nadal.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Sorry don't know but I agree with you I hope he is found innocent.
thalivest
Banned
They have only played 3 times since 2005. Gasquet took a set off Nadal on indoor hard courts late in 2007 which is by far his worst surface plus he was a bit injured at the time. In that same event David Ferrer beat Nadal, and Federer had his most lopsded ever win vs Nadal (dropping only 5 games).
They played twice on outdoor hard courts last year. One time Gasquet took a set but the tiebreak went to 12 and the last two sets he won only three games, then later that year Nadal crushed him in two easy sets- ceding only 6 games. Nadal plays even better for the slams than regular tour events, like most great players. Despite that Nadal is far superior on outdoor hard courts to indoor, and that grass is Gasquet's favorite surface, the difference between outdoor hard courts to grass for Nadal is even more than outdoor hard courts to grass for Gasquet as grass is still by far Rafa's 2nd favorite surface at this point.
thalivest
Banned
OK thanks. I hope he is cleared too since although I am not a fan I think it is silly to be suspended over something like that.
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