JustMy2Cents
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See the follow up tweet too for locker room reactions
Zverev has his say:
Djokovic on Zverev and sports domestic violence policies.
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See the follow up tweet too for locker room reactions
Zverev has his say:
Bumbaliceps
Professional
What I get from this is a confirmation of what I already thought : Rothenberg is very happy that Zverev is accused of beating-up his girlfriend. And he also hopes that any player he doesn't like is gonna support Zverev.
He is the go to news reporter for TTW
Slowtwitcher
Legend
What a year this guy's having...
Keizer
Hall of Fame
The worst part of how this case has played out in social media is Rothenberg's involvement. That muckraker polarizes people so much that even people that might be well disposed to his side of the issue (like me) recoil at the fact that he is involved. It always seems like he is pursuing his own agenda. What does the guy even know about tennis other than the gossip?
Also, what was Djokovic supposed to have said there? Sell Zverev out to the media? It's Zverev he practices with, not the Twitterati.
Also, what was Djokovic supposed to have said there? Sell Zverev out to the media? It's Zverev he practices with, not the Twitterati.
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Deleted member 771911
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Interesting that Novak focuses on how Zverev is a nice guy and is sad he is going through this. He clearly does not believe it.
Then he goes back to say he does not condone this alleged behavior.
Seriously, Novak should just say No comment to any questions other than about his tennis game.
Then he goes back to say he does not condone this alleged behavior.
Seriously, Novak should just say No comment to any questions other than about his tennis game.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Tricky questions for Novak - fair play to him for answering...Not sure what people want from him....
Slowtwitcher
Legend
Rothenberg quoted what your boy said, no more no less. He only commented that the comments were interesting, which they are.
Bumbaliceps
Professional
Rothenberg also said in the 2nd tweet that it was for him an "immense delight" that Novak received an other question about this. He is definitely admitting he likes the fact that Novak is not accusing Zverev of being a wife-beater.
I believe that it's okay to be partial towards your buddy when there is no clear definite proof against him. I just don't think it is Novak's role to state on this subject. If a friend of mine was accused of such a thing, I would believe him if he told me he was innocent because I would just be biased. I'm saying this as someone who thinks Zverev is guilty.
Slowtwitcher
Legend
Rothenberg also saw Olya's photos. If we saw those photos, I'm pretty sure our opinions would change (except for the Misogyny Brigade which just hate women).
Slowtwitcher
Legend
I am pretty sure that Djokovic knows the truth, as do many other players. I don’t think it’s possible to hide these things when on tour. Now, if Djokovic knows that Zverev is guilty and still defends him, that would be unethical and inexcusable.
BrokenGears
Semi-Pro
Oof, we've gone from Zverev potentially being an abusive person to accusing Novak of hating women. Never change TTW, never change.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Novak treaded that line as well as you can expect. If he said "I wholeheartedly condemn Zverev" and then it turned out these allegations turned out to be false, Djokovic would have been in a bad position, as well as he would have started drama between himself and Zverev. Similarly, if he actually supported Zverev, he would have been on the side of an abuser if the allegations are true.
He took a neutral position (the we-don't-know-all-the-facts-yet position), distanced himself from it, supported the idea of a zero-tolerance policy on domestic violence on the ATP tour. What else could he have done without a media firestorm?
He took a neutral position (the we-don't-know-all-the-facts-yet position), distanced himself from it, supported the idea of a zero-tolerance policy on domestic violence on the ATP tour. What else could he have done without a media firestorm?
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
It's possible for friends to know each other. These people are just colleagues. They interact less than coworkers at the office. They might hit together a bit, do a little hangout for publicity, but generally will stay within their own bubbles. I don't think anyone but Zverev's close friends know if he's really an abuser or not.
I mean it's not like Zverev and Djokovic go on double dates. How would any pro player have met his former girlfriend?
It‘s very interesting that he said Zverev is a nice guy. He didn’t say Zverev is innocent.
Novak is siding with his friend like any friend should with a verbal accusation like this
Keep in mind during Adria Tour in Zadar, Zverev was with his girlfriend the only guy who stayed on Djokovic's yacht, other players had their own accommodation
Ben is just stirring the pot to get his pathetic retweets
Keep in mind during Adria Tour in Zadar, Zverev was with his girlfriend the only guy who stayed on Djokovic's yacht, other players had their own accommodation
Ben is just stirring the pot to get his pathetic retweets
Probably he wouldn’t know first hand, but there is a lot of gossip on the tour. There are cliques and entourages and players, and players wives/girlfriends who are on friendly terms. I’m sure such matters are difficult to keep in secret.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Actually, he didn't take a neutral position: that would have required for him to talk on principle what his expectations regarding the potential regulations in that regard are. He didn't say a word about what was actually being asked. The question wasn't about whether Zverev is telling the truth or not. In fact, the question wasn't about Zverev at all. Djokovic was supposed to share his knowledge on the regulations in other sports, as he supposedly was in the know of how these other sports are organised. Either Djokovic doesn't have a clue, or he has difficulty understanding what is being asked. Instead he went on a tangent to explain what a good lad Zed is.
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Deleted member 771911
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Sorry to be the one to inform you of this, but we sometimes say what we mean indirectly.
I think he implied through that it doesn't seem its within Zverev character and the way he acted in the past to do such a thing
Its a sad a fact a lot of men are great fathers husbands until the moment they get drunk and start beating up their very own family.
Of course if Zverev had past history of violence someone else will probably get the courage to come out
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I think Djokovic knows that Zverev is guilty. That’s why he said he’s a nice guy, but didn’t say he’s innocent.
And, thank you for the ignore. It’s really devastating.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Absolutely. Djokovic shouldn't be commenting whatsoever on these allegations, since it doesn't involve him in any way. You know that Nadal or Federer simply would have deflected the question and not waded into it.
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Deleted member 771911
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I wonder about him. He's supposed to be so smart!
I agree.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
A smart person would have actually answered the question that he/she was being asked.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
You're right, I'm sorry. I just heard the news that subtext was outlawed. Asking about domestic violence policies is clearly alluding to Zverev.Actually, he didn't take a neutral position: that would have required for him to talk on principle what his expectations regarding the potential regulations in that regard are. He didn't say a word about what was actually being asked. The question wasn't about whether Zverev is telling the truth or not. In fact, the question wasn't about Zverev at all. Djokovic was supposed to share his knowledge on the regulations in other sports, as he supposedly was in the know of how these other sports are organised. Either Djokovic doesn't have a clue, or he has difficulty understanding what is being asked. Instead he went on a tangent to explain what a good lad Zed is.
And no, Djokovic was not "supposed to share his knowledge on the regulations in other sports", he was simply asked if the ATP should "develop a policy for these sorts of incidents moving forward", to which Novak responded "Yeah, I mean, why not? Probably it should be there in place."
So yes, he understood and answered the question, something you seem to be unable to do.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Where players are the employees of clubs there are usually a lot of 'good behaviour' and 'not bringing the game into disrepute' clauses.
Tennis can't and shouldn't enact such clauses because they are not paying wages. If a player is charged and convicted then suspension may be appropriate.
Tennis can't and shouldn't enact such clauses because they are not paying wages. If a player is charged and convicted then suspension may be appropriate.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
That's the very definition of dumb. You always answer the question that you choose.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The Guru
Legend
Djokovic said what he was supposed to say here. It's a really difficult situation to be in and he did the rational thing: condone domestic violence, say he doesn't know if Zverev is guilty or not, say he's there for his friend who's going through a tough time. You guys will criticize anything he says
r2473
G.O.A.T.
A smart person would have actually answered the question that he/she was being asked.
That's what makes discussions with you so fun
Tennis_Hands
Banned
You must have missed the entire first half of the question. The reporter clearly asked him for his opinion based on that first half of the question. As I said, Djokovic either doesn't know anything about how these matters are regulated in other sports, or he didn't understand the first part of the question.
Instead he went on to talk about Zverev, who Djokovic was not in any way forced to bring into the conversation.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
We are talking here about a specific type of speech, and that is political speech.
That's what makes discussions with you so fun
Keizer
Hall of Fame
I invite you to furnish even one post by me that is evidence for Djokovic (or any of the other frequently stanned individuals) being "my boy."
What set of comments by Djokovic on this issue would Rothenberg not have found "interesting"? The guy is the resident cosmopolitan reporter of the tennis world. He writes nothing of value about the actual sport.
Imo he did the smart thing here. He didn't pick a side, but picked the cause.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Only a fool would argue with you Bart
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I thought that I was a waste of your time? Oh, well, maybe not.
Well, then.
In this particular case a smart person would have left any hot topic with a lot of unknowns around it aside, and would have answered the question asked, IF he knew something about it. That would have been both uncontroversial, would have guaranteed that he wouldn't delve into topics he knows little about and would have actually provided useful information to the audience (again, assuming that he actually knew something about these things).
So, my dear Red Star hero, what he chose to do was dumb, and what I said would be the right framework for his potential correct answer was smart.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
I did not.You must have missed the entire first half of the question. The reporter clearly asked him for his opinion based on that first half of the question. As I said, Djokovic either doesn't know anything about how these matters are regulated in other sports, or he didn't understand the first part of the question.
Instead he went on to talk about Zverev, who Djokovic was not in any way forced to bring into the conversation.
Consider the statement
"You're a man with a lot of experience piloting airplanes. Other airplane companies have instituted restrictions on the type of metal they're using to create their planes to avoid incidents. Wondering if you think this is something your airplane company should do?" asked immediately after a plane went down because of a malfunction.
As a company spokesperson, do you address the incident the question was clearly asking about, or your decades of flying experience?
Seriously, did you want Djokovic to just talk about what the NBA did instead of saying "yes, the ATP should institute something like that?" Djokovic literally answered the exact question he was asked, and you say he didn't. Djokovic used his personal experience to form the answer, which was all that was asked of him.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You'd think Djokovic dumb if he jumped to get out of the way of a speeding car.
There are two reasons for this. Can you guess both?
There are two reasons for this. Can you guess both?
it seems to me that he jumped to get out of the way of a speeding car, but ended under a bus.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
A spokesperson is an employee of the company, and as such his/her position is to answer on behalf of the potentially responsible for the incident.
You need to find out what the difference between your example and the situation at hand is.
Saying whatever he thought about what ATP should do (it really isn't a choice, is it?) is not mutually exclusive with sharing any knowledge on these matters on principle. I am sure that not only the journalist, but also you, would have been interested in hearing about it.
However (and what you deliberately left out) was that his main answer went well beyond whether ATP should introduce such policies.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I am not going to engage in whataboutisms, dear. I prefer your statements direct, so that I can hold you responsible for them.
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