Djokovic: Some Facts Might Be Helpful Right About Now

[Karma Tennis]

You are wrong on both fronts.

Stop spreading dis-information or I will report you to the TTW Moderaters.

 

[csmoove899]

Stop spreading dis-information or I will report you to the TTW Moderaters.

A) The spread of the infection has long been referred to as "COVID-19 transmission" by both the scientific community and general public (e.g. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals & https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/latest-evidence/transmission).

B) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771435

Enjoy your free education.

 

[guanzishou]

Novak was denied entry because he couldn't present a reliable evidence to prove that he is medically exempted from getting vaccinated.

 

[Visionary]

Novak was denied entry because he couldn't present a reliable evidence to prove that he is medically exempted from getting vaccinated.

How subjective that may be. Now, let's hope the evidence he has presented becomes reliable within a few hours to the powers across the ocean.

 

[Bartelby]

The person you are quoting couldn't lie straight in bed.

Novak was denied entry because he couldn't present a reliable evidence to prove that he is medically exempted from getting vaccinated.

 

[mr tonyz]

Obviously? I would say obviously not.

But remember . . . Even if you are 100% entitled to an exemption, you can still be denied. He does not have a right to enter Australia, full stop.

Look. If Novak got Covid and had a legitimate medical certification buttoned up, he would be holding a press conference saying so right now. Or his big-mouth dad would be saying it.

He has been suspiciously quiet for a guy who likes to talk.

For a guy that refused to answer questions regarding his vaccination status citing privacy as a reason.Yet he flaunts us with an "exemption" on his official Twitter page as he's about to board the Aircraft. So he told us indirectly that he was "unvaccinated" in order to show faux-proof of the reason as to why he was coming to Oz. I suppose whatever is the most convenient for him.

Either way, with how politics works i wouldn't be surprised if Scotty would have somehow let Djoker through if the public backlash was not as prevalent. It's a tactic that works quite well to maintain credibility, like when a politician "gets caught" & all the others clamor about how bad they were for doing the wrong/illegal thing.Yet in reality it's just a case of who's stupid enough to get caught vs the others who are doing the same thing whilst protecting themselves a little better.

I wonder if Craig Tiley could lose his job as c.e.o of t.a over this? Or if he is quietly urged to step down? That interview he gave yesterday with how rigorous the process was & the fact that all of the Medical Exemption applicants were "De-identified" & only a "handful" were accepted & all that just reeks of such corruption. I'd love to know how much money a Grand Slam loses due to the #1 player in the world + defending champion not playing. They'd have data sheets on all that kind of stuff. Then again due to such controversy i wouldn't be surprised if this Oz Open still keeps up to par with previous editions. I honestly think the t.v ratings if Djoker ends up playing would actually skyrocket due to all of this commotion. I think every Oz citizen is well aware of whom The Djoker is now. He keeps true to his namesake!

I predicted that after the first few matches (if Djoker ends up playing) that eventually the crowd will be made to feel guilty & eventually be tamed or face expulsion from the stands. The commentators would be protecting Djoker & coddling him during every match of his & most likely during most other televised matches. I was almost looking forward to an Old-School New York US Open night session crowd type Oz Open this year, i am afraid to admit lol.

Either way, this guy will have an army of lawyers to throw his hard earned prize/endorsement funds @ & if there's any loophole or way for him to feasibly enter the country. They'll find it.

When I say he took a huge risk, I mean deciding to try to navigate all of this compared to just getting one JJ shot.

I can't see where the JJ shot is accepted here in Oz? Our p.m specifically stated double-dose also. Unless i am blind?

Not that it matters here however ...

 

[Karma Tennis]

Enjoy your free education.

Seriously, stop being an idiot ... just stop ....

Coronavirus

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)

www.who.int

"Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is an infectious disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. "

"The best way to prevent and slow down transmission is to be well informed about the disease and how the virus spreads "

"The virus can spread ... "

COVID-19 is the DISEASE. The DISEASE does not transmit itself. A DISEASE is spread as a result of the transmission of a virus or a bacteria, etc.

Biology 101
Virology 101.

 

[Karma Tennis]

The person you are quoting couldn't lie straight in bed.

He made his own bed and he can probably "lie" in it anyway he sees fit!

 

[TTMR]

Again, how many people are we sentencing to death by putting Djokovic back on the plane? About as many as he would have killed had he been allowed to play the AO. If he didn't want to get de-ported (pushed into the water), he and his expensive team should have filed the proper paperwork before flying into the country rather than pointless legal battles after the fact. De-port him now.

 

[uscwang]

I am a nerd, so of course I looked up the requirements to set foot in Australia if you are a foreign national. Here’s what I learned (https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/travel-restrictions#toc-5).

1. To enter, you need to be vaxed and have a negative COVID test. If you have medical certification of previous recent infection, you can skip the negative Covid test but not the vaccine

2. There are some exceptions to the vax requirement not pertinent here, like kids traveling with parents.

3, There are Individual Exemptions that Djokovic could apply for. You have to arrange for these before you come. If you are:

• “a foreign national whose entry into Australia would be in the national interest, supported by the Australian Government or a state or territory government authority.” This may be what Djokovic was banking on. I do not believe the State of Victoria proclaimed that allowing him to play a tennis tournament was in the national interest. News reports today and for months seemed to me to have been warning him he couldn’t come without vaccine. BUT, the final decision whether to accept the state endorsement rests with Border Authority, so even if Victoria said it would sponsor him, he would have had to take their endorsement and complete the process and get federal approval before he traveled.
• “A foreign national with critical skills or working in a critical sector in Australia.” Is tennis a critical skill when they can fill your spot with a lucky loser?
• “travelling for compassionate and compelling reasons.” That is a hard sell for someone who has had every opportunity to get vaxed but refused.

Even if you are able to shoehorn Djokovic into one of these categories, the federal government has the last word. He took a HUGE risk to hope he could navigate all of this.

The site also says: “You must hold a visa and an exemption to Australia’s travel restrictions before you travel. You can request an exemption online and must provide appropriate evidence to support your claims.”

I went through the same online info.

First and foremost, there is no such a thing as medical exempt at the national level. Therefore, for the border officials to interrogate Novak on his medical exempt (for an event) is wrong. They don't have the expertise anyway for medical exempt to vaccination, which include many conditions.

While it is not written on this website, I assume people entering through an individual exempt (as you listed, and many others including some foreign students) need to go through quarantine.

The AO set a higher standard than the federal government's by asking all participants to be fully vaccinated. If the national requirement for entry is the same or more strict, why should AO bother? Just to keep out unvaccinated local players?

I cannot see any judge supporting the Aussie government's shenanigans.

 

[Karma Tennis]

Have just watched an interview with one of the Lawyers on Australian ABCTV Morning News.

The Federal Circuit Court Case resumes at 10am AEDT Monday.

The issue was not with his Visa. The issue was to do with the actual Entry Requirements.There is some question as to whether he fulfilled the appropriate Entry Requirements.

The Lawyer also indicated that the Judge may decide that more time is required to review the evidence of the case AND that could take several weeks, even months. If that is the case, Novak will be allowed to remain in Australia in the interim period and even be allowed to contest the AO 2022. He could then leave Australia while the court case is held.

 

[flyingboris]

The Lawyer also indicated that the Judge may decide that more time is required to review the evidence of the case AND that could take several weeks, even months. If that is the case, Novak will be allowed to remain in Australia in the interim period and even be allowed to contest the AO 2022. He could then leave Australia while the court case is held.

That would be an interesting turn of events. "While we're trying to figure out whether you're allowed to be here and play at the AO, feel free to stay and play at the AO."

 

[Karma Tennis]

That would be an interesting turn of events. "While we're trying to figure out whether you're allowed to be here and play at the AO, feel free to stay and play at the AO."

Novak is currently allowed to be here. He is in Melbourne as a guest of the Australian Government. He is being detained pending further investigations, but there is a presumption of innocence.

It is no different to a person who has been charged with a criminal offence and is waiting to attend Court. In some instances, the person will be detained on Remand. In other instances, they apply for and are granted Bail, they are presumed innocent in the interim and are free to go about their business until tthey have their day in Court.

 

[Sudacafan]

That's scary when you have a visa in your passport. I think we're also forgetting what the meaning of the visa in our passports is.

If upon scrutiny, visas are deemed unsatisfactory by migration officers in any country, they can do it.
Same as when mods delete threads here.

 

[happyandbob]

Novak is currently allowed to be here. He is in Melbourne as a guest of the Australian Government. He is being detained pending further investigations, but there is a presumption of innocence.

It is no different to a person who has been charged with a criminal offence and is waiting to attend Court. In some instances, the person will be detained on Remand. In other instances, they apply for and are granted Bail, they are presumed innocent in the interim and are free to go about their business until tthey have their day in Court.

In many countries the notion of "presumption of innocence" only extends to citizens. Non-citizens are rarely afforded that privilege. I would be shocked if Australia extends that right to non Novak detainees.

 

[Sudacafan]

In many countries the notion of "presumption of innocence" only extends to citizens. Non-citizens are rarely afforded that privilege. I would be shocked if Australia extends that right to non Novak detainees.

#FreeNonNovakDetainees.
#ThenFreeNovakWhenNobodyIsWatching.

 

[Karma Tennis]

I would be shocked if Australia extends that right to non Novak detainees.

You have to consider how the term is defined.

In these situations "Guilty" leads to immediate deportation. Any time a person is detained pending further investigation, they are presumed innocent. Unfortunately, in Australia, in many situations those cases are detained in terrible circumstances while they await their fate. They are treated as if they are "Guilty" but the system actually continues to presume innocence until the final determination is made.

 

[PrinceMoron]

Boooomerang

Djokovic is switching frames to the new Head Boomerangs - Apparently you go with them and come straight back.

 

[happyandbob]

You have to consider how the term is defined.

In these situations "Guilty" leads to immediate deportation. Any time a person is detained pending further investigation, they are presumed innocent. Unfortunately, in Australia, in many situations those cases are detained in terrible circumstances while they await their fate. They are treated as if they are "Guilty" but the system actually continues to presume innocence until the final determination is made.

Hmm. I think you may be thinking about it in terms of criminal justice. For non-citizen border entry into many countries, the burden of proof is on the person trying to enter. By default, they are presumed not eligible to enter (aka presumed guilty) unless they can provide proof that they meet the criteria and are authorized to enter. There is no presumed innocence for visas.

 

[Karma Tennis]

Hmm. I think you may be thinking about it in terms of criminal justice. For non-citizen border entry into many countries, the burden of proof is on the person trying to enter. By default, they are presumed not eligible to enter (aka presumed guilty) unless they can provide proof that they meet the criteria and are authorized to enter. There is no presumed innocence for visas.

That's not how it works in Australia.

Immigration Control checks your passport, any applicable Visas, and any additional control documentation. If it is all in order, you are free to Enter. If anything is not in order, then the person is given the opportunity to state their case to Immigration Officials. If Immigration Officials are satisfied that all is in order, then the person is permitted to enter. If they are not, they can be refused entry. At that point the person can appeal the decision or accept being deported. In both cases, they will be detained until the situation is resolved.

This is exactly what is happening with Novak. He arrived at a Port of entry to Australia. The immigration officials were not satisfied that all his documentation was in order. He was given an opportunity to state his case to Immigration Officials. They were not satisfied that all is in order and refused him entry to Australia. He has decided to appeal that decision and is now being detained pending the outcome of an Appeal Hearing. He is currently presumed innocent until the final determination has been made.

 

[Sudacafan]

That's not how it works in Australia.

Immigration Control checks your passport, any applicable Visas, and any additional control documentation. If it is all in order, you are free to Enter. If anything is not in order, then the person is given the opportunity to state their case to Immigration Officials. If Immigration Officials are satisfied that all is in order, then the person is permitted to enter. If they are not, they can be refused entry. At that point the person can appeal the decision or accept being deported. In both cases, they will be detained until the situation is resolved.

Been there, done that?

 

[Karma Tennis]

Been there, done that?

Yep!

 

[tudwell]

If upon scrutiny, visas are deemed unsatisfactory by migration officers in any country, they can do it.
Same as when mods delete threads here.

Australian Border Force = TTW mods, it all makes so much sense now.

 

[Defcon]

you want facts?

It’s quite clear that Djokovic never had enough evidence for an exemption to begin with and Tennis Australia was helping him out. When he showed up at the airport trying to get through customs, it’s reported he literally had one document from his physician on Tennis Australia letterhead. That’s so sketchy, and on top of it when they quizzed him in the room by himself he had no answers for what they were asking.

thats why he was denied entry. he has literally ZERO proof of anything, him and his moron team tried to lie and bluff their way, after they forced TA to give him an illegal exception for fantasy reasons. Then he boasts about it publicly like the idiot he is. Then gets caught and is now acting like he's a victim.

 

[insideguy]

you want facts?

It’s quite clear that Djokovic never had enough evidence for an exemption to begin with and Tennis Australia was helping him out. When he showed up at the airport trying to get through customs, it’s reported he literally had one document from his physician on Tennis Australia letterhead. That’s so sketchy, and on top of it when they quizzed him in the room by himself he had no answers for what they were asking.

thats why he was denied entry. he has literally ZERO proof of anything, him and his moron team tried to lie and bluff their way, after they forced TA to give him an illegal exception for fantasy reasons. Then he boasts about it publicly like the idiot he is. Then gets caught and is now acting like he's a victim.

The only thing I’m confused about is how did he get a visa in the first place? I mean wouldn’t he have to show proof of vaccination or valid excemption info to get the visa? Or doesn’t it work like this

 

[happyandbob]

That's not how it works in Australia.

Immigration Control checks your passport, any applicable Visas, and any additional control documentation. If it is all in order, you are free to Enter. If anything is not in order, then the person is given the opportunity to state their case to Immigration Officials. If Immigration Officials are satisfied that all is in order, then the person is permitted to enter. If they are not, they can be refused entry. At that point the person can appeal the decision or accept being deported. In both cases, they will be detained until the situation is resolved.

This is exactly what is happening with Novak. He arrived at a Port of entry to Australia. The immigration officials were not satisfied that all his documentation was in order. He was given an opportunity to state his case to Immigration Officials. They were not satisfied that all is in order and refused him entry to Australia. He has decided to appeal that decision and is now being detained pending the outcome of an Appeal Hearing. He is currently presumed innocent until the final determination has been made.

Wow that’s quite… egalitarian of Australia. I’m surprised but thanks I learned something new!

 

[Rattler]

I have a sneaking suspicion that this will end up costing Craig Tiley his job. Djoker was granted a medical exemption to play the Aussie Open, not to enter the country.

 

[Defcon]

The only thing I’m confused about is how did he get a visa in the first place? I mean wouldn’t he have to show proof of vaccination or valid excemption info to get the visa? Or doesn’t it work like this

massive ****up by someone. they saw the medical 'exemption' given by TA, which to begin with is totally invalid since it was based on Djoker calling up his friends there, claiming he 'had Covid symptoms' with no proof or tests, TA giving him a letter because they of course want the money when he plays.

 

[xFedal]

For a guy that refused to answer questions regarding his vaccination status citing privacy as a reason.Yet he flaunts us with an "exemption" on his official Twitter page as he's about to board the Aircraft. So he told us indirectly that he was "unvaccinated" in order to show faux-proof of the reason as to why he was coming to Oz. I suppose whatever is the most convenient for him.

Either way, with how politics works i wouldn't be surprised if Scotty would have somehow let Djoker through if the public backlash was not as prevalent. It's a tactic that works quite well to maintain credibility, like when a politician "gets caught" & all the others clamor about how bad they were for doing the wrong/illegal thing.Yet in reality it's just a case of who's stupid enough to get caught vs the others who are doing the same thing whilst protecting themselves a little better.

I wonder if Craig Tiley could lose his job as c.e.o of t.a over this? Or if he is quietly urged to step down? That interview he gave yesterday with how rigorous the process was & the fact that all of the Medical Exemption applicants were "De-identified" & only a "handful" were accepted & all that just reeks of such corruption. I'd love to know how much money a Grand Slam loses due to the #1 player in the world + defending champion not playing. They'd have data sheets on all that kind of stuff. Then again due to such controversy i wouldn't be surprised if this Oz Open still keeps up to par with previous editions. I honestly think the t.v ratings if Djoker ends up playing would actually skyrocket due to all of this commotion. I think every Oz citizen is well aware of whom The Djoker is now. He keeps true to his namesake!

I predicted that after the first few matches (if Djoker ends up playing) that eventually the crowd will be made to feel guilty & eventually be tamed or face expulsion from the stands. The commentators would be protecting Djoker & coddling him during every match of his & most likely during most other televised matches. I was almost looking forward to an Old-School New York US Open night session crowd type Oz Open this year, i am afraid to admit lol.

Either way, this guy will have an army of lawyers to throw his hard earned prize/endorsement funds @ & if there's any loophole or way for him to feasibly enter the country. They'll find it.





I can't see where the JJ shot is accepted here in Oz? Our p.m specifically stated double-dose also. Unless i am blind?

Not that it matters here however ...

Delay and exhuast the appeal process

 

[Defcon]

Letters from federal government cast doubt on Djokovic exemption

Health authorities told Tennis Australia boss Craig Tiley on two occasions in writing that people who were not vaccinated and had contracted COVID-19 in the past six months would not be granted quarantine-free travel to Australia.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Visionary]

If upon scrutiny, visas are deemed unsatisfactory by migration officers in any country, they can do it.
Same as when mods delete threads here.

The arbitrary conclusion of a mod to censor a forum is, in my view, quite different from a legal visa in the country's passport. The privilege to post on a, for example, TTW thread is unparalleled to a traveler who's basically got a legal permit (from another country's consulate) to board an international flight to a nation across the ocean. I do not work for the UN but can tell you that the nations' reps are obligated to explain their later refusals within norms too. On the other hand, our mods do not seem to have any such responsibilities for the lack of formalities present.

Having said that, I sense that the Aussie PM projects himself as a moderator on TTW as he fails to see the level of formal dealings he is supposed to exercise. I could see that exact behavior when he canceled the French submarine deal; and, I can see that with the travellers' documentation necessary to enter the nation. Many politicians are fickle and hard to trust; this one is a chameleon who tells everyone to follow as his colors change. I believe that the migration officers are influenced by him.

 

[Sudacafan]

The arbitrary conclusion of a mod to censor a forum is, in my view, quite different from a legal visa in the country's passport. The privilege to post on a, for example, TTW thread is unparalleled to a traveler who's basically got a legal permit (from another country's consulate) to board an international flight to a nation across the ocean. I do not work for the UN but can tell you that the nations' reps are obligated to explain their later refusals within norms too.

I tell you how it works. Should this happen to you and you don’t agree, try explaining that to the migration officers of the country you visit.

 

[mr tonyz]

Delay and exhuast the appeal process

@ which point he'll be passed the border & in our country unvaccinated @ playing @ The Oz Open without proof backing up his medical exemption? Or @ the very least without verified evidence validating his medical exemption according to our current border protection laws by our government which would flat out contravene our policies in of itself??

I'm not a lawyer, but if this is the case it still seems like it'll be our government bending over as the rules still seem quite clear cut. Not double-Vaxxed as a non Citizen attempting to enter our country & without a valid medical exemption (which for a pro athlete would be hard to obtain. Not sure how these other tennis pro's supposedly obtained their exemptions) will be deported. & i would think that up until his medical exemption is accepted by our government & all the visa documentation/evidence is deemed "sufficient" then he will be according to our own rules, be breaking them up until that point.Cut & Dry.

& i don't believe for a second that there was an 'incorrect' visa or some such. I've filled out visas before. I've also completed a p.r visa over a 2.5 year period & done the whole thing myself & checked every single box my government asked & i'm just an ordinary citizen with zero prior experience & studies. It's all box checking & everything is quite clear. I'm not a millionaire with access to a legion of Immigration lawyers so i'm pretty sure they knew which visa to use (as it's literally their job & they're most likely much more highly skilled than any average immigration agent that charges a 'measly' 5-10k+ depending on circumstances) but there actually wasn't any applicable visa for Djoker to begin with.Pretty sure it's a case of finding every loophole bordering on fraudulent documentation & how far his army is willing to go to get Djoker in the country.

The miscommunications Between the Trio of Tennis Australia/Victorian State Government/Federal Government is an absolute right fowl mess that reeks of corruption however. Who knows if the public backlash wasn't as severe & during a really bad time with the French Backpacker travelling all the way accross to my state & spreading the virus everywhere that Djoker may have been quietly allowed through our borders & validated anyway.It's not like we'd be disclosed all of that personal documentation anyway.A nice time for our Prime Minister to flex his muscles as it's his "Australian Border Force". I guess those guys are sort of like Military level now or something, with all of their assault rifles & tech gadgets.

& As far as this Medical Exemption grant from this supposedly "Independent Panel of Scientists & Doctors" & with that getting washed up.What does this do to their credibility?? as Craig Tiley was vigorously defending them the other day in an "outdoor presser" stating how the applicants are de-identified & multiple layers & an "above & beyond" approach & all that hogwash.If that's true, then the Medical Exemption would have satisfied our A.B.F & Djoker's team of immigration lawyers would have known which visa to fill out & fill it out correctly. So in the end, something is really messed up here. The independent panel, Victoria State Government, Tennis Australia all come into question here. As well as Djoker.

Djoker's nice little post on Twitter stating that he has an exemption also flew against his own adamant views of privacy as he refused to answer questions for months leading up to the dogs breakfast pertaining to his vax-status.Yet when convenient for him he indirectly tells us that he is unvaccinated?

I suppose Djoker was putting up his Poker face & our government didn't fall for his bluff.Not yet anyway ...

 

[pasta]

Sad story ...

AO and Australia and Djokovic should figure this out !

For a tennis fan - this is a big black eye on all three of them !

AO is clearly not capable of organizing tournament under these "pandemic" circumstances !

Djokovic is clearly not the role model to represent the sport to our youth !

Australia is clearly not the place of reason !

 

[Mustard]

Sad story ...

AO and Australia and Djokovic should figure this out !

For a tennis fan - this is a big black eye on all three of them !

AO is clearly not capable of organizing tournament under these "pandemic" circumstances !

Djokovic is clearly not the role model to represent the sport to our youth !

Australia is clearly not the place of reason !

You forgot to mention the angry Australian public.

 

[Bartelby]

... who are angry at Morrison and his continued failure over covid.

You forgot to mention the angry Australian public.

 

[mr tonyz]

You forgot to mention the angry Australian public.

Angry alright.But if Djoker still manages to play, in terms of entertainment value with my personal views aside. It will be nice to watch the crowd boo & heckle him. I just hope our Ozzie crowds aren't tamed come the 4th round & the commentators don't guilt trip us incessantly with "look it's complicated,we should give Djoker a break,let's get on with the tennis,he's actually a nice guy" ad nauseam. In which case i'd wish there'd be a way to mute the commentator's whilst keeping the audio from everything else coming through my speakers

 

[Cindysphinx]

So some media lawyer says the judge will let him play AO? On what grounds? It's not like he's coming for a lifesaving medical procedure. He's coming for a business opportunity. To make cash and advance his career.

I cant speak for Aussie judges, but a lot of American judges wouldn't be having it.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

The arbitrary conclusion of a mod to censor a forum is, in my view, quite different from a legal visa in the country's passport. The privilege to post on a, for example, TTW thread is unparalleled to a traveler who's basically got a legal permit (from another country's consulate) to board an international flight to a nation across the ocean. I do not work for the UN but can tell you that the nations' reps are obligated to explain their later refusals within norms too. On the other hand, our mods do not seem to have any such responsibilities for the lack of formalities present.

Having said that, I sense that the Aussie PM projects himself as a moderator on TTW as he fails to see the level of formal dealings he is supposed to exercise. I could see that exact behavior when he canceled the French submarine deal; and, I can see that with the travellers' documentation necessary to enter the nation. Many politicians are fickle and hard to trust; this one is a chameleon who tells everyone to follow as his colors change. I believe that the migration officers are influenced by him.

The visa does not confer inalienable rights on you to enter the country until it is stamped by a migration officer and the reason for that is precisely that you are still an alien/foreigner in their country. So they CAN cancel it and are not necessarily obliged to explain why, let alone compensate you. But it would usually (and especially in the case of a high profile tennis player) not be done without good cause. Somebody in Aus govt had to have moved the goalposts, so to speak, for Novak to be denied entry. Aus can use their own 'legal system' to 'acquit' themselves but in terms of the principle of the thing, they have still failed. The only sensible thing to do was to not issue any sneaky exemptions and to have denied him a visa at origin. Novak shouldn't have been able to get on the plane, period. And until I see evidence that he got on it when he shouldn't have, that's not his fault. He has not done anything illegal based on all the available information. If he had, it would be a case of entry without visa, not a visa cancellation. He was issued the visa and somebody somewhere in Aus govt is cowering in fear over the thought that it may be traced back to them.

 

[pasta]

So some media lawyer says the judge will let him play AO? On what grounds? It's not like he's coming for a lifesaving medical procedure. He's coming for a business opportunity. To make cash and advance his career.

I cant speak for Aussie judges, but a lot of American judges wouldn't be having it.

Anything wrong that healthy individual wants "to make cash and advance his career" ?

 

[FlamingCheeto]

Anything wrong that healthy individual wants "to make cash and advance his career" ?

unvaccinated individual

 

[Bartelby]

The Federal Government decided to play politics with the visa in order to blame the Victorian Government, and when the latter refused to take the bait they were forced into cancelling his visa.

So the person who issued the visa in the first place made no error. It's the people who cancelled it who have a case to answer.

He was issued the visa and somebody somewhere in Aus govt is cowering in fear over the thought that it may be traced back to them.

 

[pasta]

unvaccinated individual

Only vaccinated individuals are allowed to make money and participate in society ... ?

That is conversation we have to have as a society ... this stupid virus (that is deadly and disruptive to society) prevents us from having a common sense conversation ... "Science" is not only virology and "infectious disease" ... why are schools in Chicago closed when "science" and Federal Government says it is safe to keep schools open ?

we are losing it ... and this sad saga of Djokovic and AO and Australian govt. is ... just what it is, defeat of common sense !

 

[happyandbob]

Only vaccinated individuals are allowed to make money and participate in society ... ?

Come now. That's not the issue at all and you know it. He's free to make money any way he wants, but if he wants to enter a foreign nation, he must follow their rules. He doesn't have the "right" to determine which rules he follows. He's free to play in any tournaments and countries that will take him in his current state. The vaccination status is ancillary. Australia mandates vaccination, he follows the rules if he wants to play.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Auss health authorities granted him exemption well before he landed in the country. There is no way Aus govt can block him legally. It's an illegal and unfair action. There is no justification for what Aus govt did to Novak.

 

[FlamingCheeto]

Auss health authorities granted him exemption well before he landed in the country. There is no way Aus govt can block him legally. It's an illegal and unfair action. There is no justification for what Aus govt did to Novak.

but he FAILED to PROVE that exemption, period.

 

[Bartelby]

That's what Morrison says and we all know that he is a stranger to truth.

but he FAILED to PROVE that exemption, period.

 

[FlamingCheeto]

That's what Morrison says and we all know that he is a stranger to truth.

so you believe Djokovic blindly?

 

[D.Nalby12]

I went through the same online info.

First and foremost, there is no such a thing as medical exempt at the national level. Therefore, for the border officials to interrogate Novak on his medical exempt (for an event) is wrong. They don't have the expertise anyway for medical exempt to vaccination, which include many conditions.

While it is not written on this website, I assume people entering through an individual exempt (as you listed, and many others including some foreign students) need to go through quarantine.

The AO set a higher standard than the federal government's by asking all participants to be fully vaccinated. If the national requirement for entry is the same or more strict, why should AO bother? Just to keep out unvaccinated local players?

I cannot see any judge supporting the Aussie government's shenanigans.

Good point. It's not job of border authorities to decide on matter of medical exemption. It's job of health authorities. Whether Djokovic gave fake documents for his exemption or not - it doesn't matter. As health authorities found it appropriate enough to grant him exemption.

 

[FlamingCheeto]

Good point. It's not job of border authorities to decide on matter of medical exemption. It's job of health authorities. Whether Djokovic gave fake documents for his exemption or not - it doesn't matter. As health authorities found it appropriate enough to grant him exemption.

but he did not sufficiently PROVE said exemption. He only had a year to do so