veroniquem
Bionic Poster
That would put Rafa at 14 slams (tie with Sampras). Given all his other records, I think one could very well argue that puts him at the top. Good thinking there.
Djokovic winning all 4 majors this year - ranked higher on the GOAT list than Nadal?
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kalyan4fedever
Legend
:shock: I think he can really do it , either him or nadal it seems like it......would indeed be the weakest era if one of them manages to win 3 slams this year and an insult to tennis :shock:
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NadalAgassi
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While Djokovic's chances at the Grand Slam are something less than 0. If he couldnt do it in 2011 when he was playing the best tennis he will ever play, it is never going to happen.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
If Rafa won the remaining 3 slams this year, he would have 14 slams, the same as Sampras. Their split would be as follows:
Sampras 7 W, 5 US, 2 AO
Nadal 8 FO, 3 W, 2 US, 1 AO
You could argue Nadal as greater due to having won all four, while Sampras never won the French. However, Sampras did dominate at two slams (at least 5 W and US), whereas Nadal would only have dominated at the FO.
In terms of other stats,
YE #1: Sampras 6, Nadal 3 (inc. 2013)
YEC: Sampras 5, Nadal 1 (assume he wins 2013)
Wks at #1: Sampras ~285, Nadal ~140
Tournaments won: Sampras 64, Nadal slightly less
Masters won: Nadal 23+, Sampras (14?)
H2H record: Sampras and Nadal both dominated all rivals.
Nadal would also have in his favour the record for most consecutive years winning a slam (9 in a row).
Sampras would have had greater longevity though, winning slams in his teens, twenties and thirties.
Overall, I would still give a tiny edge to Sampras.
Edit: I just realised, you weren't saying this would put him ahead of Sampras, but that it would put him "at the top" i.e. ahead of Federer. No way.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Sampras won 11 masters, not 14. That would put Rafa way above Sampras for sure, what with winning the 4 slams and having 2 seasons with 3 slams + twice as many master titles (possibly even more).
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Rafa is not winning the remaining 3 majors ffs.
He should be a strong chance to win RG, a good chance at WIM with Murray being a contender, Novak being a dangerous opponent for him, guys like Tsonga can be dangerous at WIM as well, not to mention Del Potro is another one. I'd give him a decent chance at USO but Novak and Murray should be ahead of him in terms of favouritism, Del Potro could be back to his best and catch fire, Tsonga could also be strong opposition and a smokey.
His IW win has once again forced people to jump the gun and has clouded judgment.
As much as I would love to see Rafa take the 3 remaining majors again this year, it simply won't happen.
He should be a strong chance to win RG, a good chance at WIM with Murray being a contender, Novak being a dangerous opponent for him, guys like Tsonga can be dangerous at WIM as well, not to mention Del Potro is another one. I'd give him a decent chance at USO but Novak and Murray should be ahead of him in terms of favouritism, Del Potro could be back to his best and catch fire, Tsonga could also be strong opposition and a smokey.
His IW win has once again forced people to jump the gun and has clouded judgment.
As much as I would love to see Rafa take the 3 remaining majors again this year, it simply won't happen.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Maybe not but you never know. He's done it before, he could do it again. He seems in great shape this season.
Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
You forget that Sampras has won 5 WTF. Howeither, Nadal has more major finals and more master 1000 finals too. Overall I would give him the edge.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
It would be very close between them. Depends on how much status you place on things like years/weeks as #1 and WTF vs. Masters titles, winning %ages etc. They would both have a case.
I don't think you can say, as veroniquem did, that Nadal would be "way" ahead.
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
In 2011 wasn't it Roger who stopped Djokovicat the FO in the semis.
Has Roger declined even more now, making it more possible?
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Fiji
Legend
Nadal, Murray and Del Potro are playing better in 2013 than in 2011. Djokovic couldn't even win one of IW or Miami like in 2012. He's getting worse and worse each year. In 2011 he won AO, IW and Miami before the clay season. In 2012 he won AO and Miami before the clay season. This year he only won AO before the clay season and lost to 35-year-old Haas in Miami and to Del Potro in IW. He is not the 2011 version anymore.
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Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
Yeah Djokovic was unlucky that Federer played so well in this match, when he wasn't so good overall. To win the Grand Slam, you need to play at an awesome level, but you also need that your opponents don't.
With Djokovic's current level, he would need a lot of cooperation from his opponent to win the Grand Slam. He simply has not enough margin on them.
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
It's insane to even think about her winning the next 7 slams. Especially that would mean she has to win 2 consecutive FO when that alone is a far-fetched.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Clearly, the winner of the Grand Slam. It is far easier to play the odds and win all 4 majors spaced out over the course of a long career (or get the fluke win here and there), than to have the incredible talent to display concentrated dominance in the single season/calendar year at all 4. The winner of the Grand Slam will always stand at the top of tennis excellence.
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hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
What if Player B does not win all four majors, but simply accumulates four titles at any of the majors.
For instance, two AO, one USO, and one FO. Total of four wins, but no career slam.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Grand slam winner. That's a no-brainer.
In this generation, we will have inflation on
I'll be surprised if we don't produce calendar slam under current, post-2003
homogeneous surface tour conditions.
We already produced 2 players with career slam within last decade.
If you are #1, you'll do career slam under current condition.
I'm pretty sure we will soon see calendar slam, 1st time since 1969 by Laver.
- number of slam counts a top player can win
- number of players who has career slam
I'll be surprised if we don't produce calendar slam under current, post-2003
homogeneous surface tour conditions.
We already produced 2 players with career slam within last decade.
If you are #1, you'll do career slam under current condition.
I'm pretty sure we will soon see calendar slam, 1st time since 1969 by Laver.
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Joseph L. Barrow
Professional
I Djokovic were to win the calendar-year Grand Slam this year, he would certainly have a good case for outranking Nadal, anyway; I would like to see how it happened (How dominantly does he take the titles? Does he go through Nadal at the French, Federer at Wimbledon, other members of the top four at the US Open?) before making a definitive call. For the record, however, I think he will almost definitely not win all four Majors this year; in fact, I doubt he will win more than two.
THE FIGHTER
Hall of Fame
even considering the way the courts play so similarly nowadays, at least more similarly than when laver won his?
granted, i think the achievement on top of his other achievements would move him past nadal, i dont think the CYGS in today's era would be as strong of an achievement as it was even 20 years ago.
if a great like boris becker were to have won 4 of his 6 career slams in the same calendar year during his era, i would put him right up there with nadal.
if a potential great like murray were to achieve the CYGS next year, i would not put him up there with Nadal.
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