Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
The result is sweet:
I was talking about the future and their respective levels of health, not the YE#1.
Most Federer fans knew after he lost the USO the #1 race was all but lost.
The result is sweet:
Nadal is the best player in the world has had the best resume across all the surfaces. Federer chose to skip the clay, and it cost him the coveted YE1. His choice, he seems ok with it and acknowledges Nadal as the best of 2017 not sure why his fans are struggling so much.
Nadal in fact got the trophy for best player yesterday, I think it's been posted on another thread on here.
Ok I agree with your logic completely since it closes the GOAT debate from you permanently. By your own logic Fed is best player ever he has most titles and most finals and semi finals (you have suddenly stressed thei pittance of semi finals etc). Just as fed has won more titles this year, Even if nadal wins 5 more slams he still isn’t as good as fed as he will have less titles and less finals, semi finals etc at slams.
Best overall resume as you say too only player to win 10titles on 4 surfaces and lol even only player to do it on 3 surfaces.
Don't bother arguing with him, high probability it's TennisATP, a former banned member who echoed a Federer-Nadal fandom but only ever spoke highly of Nadal. He's laying low on his secret account (no thread making), but the sentiments are similar.
Don't bother arguing with him, high probability it's TennisATP, a former banned member who echoed a Federer-Nadal fandom but only ever spoke highly of Nadal. He's laying low on his secret account (no thread making), but the sentiments are similar.
Yes, he's earned more points than any other player on the Tour. It's a basic logic.
Of course he does. The year-end #1 should never be a player who runs away from playing his main rival on his main rival's favourite surface.
Of course he does. The year-end #1 should never be a player who runs away from playing his main rival on his main rival's favourite surface.
Number one is a mathematical proposition. Your award means for being number 1 in points - means for sure - that you are number 1 in points.Nadal is the best player in the world has had the best resume across all the surfaces. Federer chose to skip the clay, and it cost him the coveted YE1. His choice, he seems ok with it and acknowledges Nadal as the best of 2017 not sure why his fans are struggling so much.
Nadal in fact got the trophy for best player yesterday, I think it's been posted on another thread on here.
Fed: I dont want to play clay cause I don't want to hurt my knee I just had surgery on and I'm wiped out from winning pretty much everything so far this year = Running Away
Nadal: I lose to Fed in Shanghai - ouch my knew. Immediatly next I withdraw from Paris - ouch my knee. Immediatly next I withdraw from WTF - ouch my knee = Amazing Hero
Definitely smells like a second even third or fourth account
Of course he does. The year-end #1 should never be a player who runs away from playing his main rival on his main rival's favourite surface.
Fed: I dont want to play clay cause I don't want to hurt my knee I just had surgery on and I'm wiped out from winning pretty much everything so far this year = Running Away
Nadal: I lose to Fed in Shanghai - ouch my knew. Immediatly next I withdraw from Paris - ouch my knee. Immediatly next I withdraw from WTF - ouch my knee = Amazing Hero
Hmm. Fed had knee surgery at the beginning of 2016.
Speaking of withdrawals, Fed withdrew from Cincinnati & Paris Masters, citing back injury...
Rafa earned more points in GS tournaments than no 2 player:
Hmm. Fed had knee surgery at the beginning of 2016.
Speaking of withdrawals, Fed withdrew from Cincinnati & Paris Masters, citing back injury...
Nadal won two Majors and the USO is more prestigious than AO which gives kudos to Nadal given Federer skipped the FO. People forget that before the USO it was being hailed as the tournament that will decide the best player of 2017. Since Nadal won there has been a lot of backtracking.Fed: I dont want to play clay cause I don't want to hurt my knee I just had surgery on and I'm wiped out from winning pretty much everything so far this year = Running Away
Nadal: I lose to Fed in Shanghai - ouch my knew. Immediatly next I withdraw from Paris - ouch my knee. Immediatly next I withdraw from WTF - ouch my knee = Amazing Hero
Number one is a mathematical proposition. Your award means for being number 1 in points - means for sure - that you are number 1 in points.
It does not tell you who the actual best player is in my opinion.
Nadal was the best player in 2010 and 2013 without a doubt. And he was #1. She it often happens, but not always.
But Simona Halep is #1 and didn't want any major tournament.
And sorry - She is not the best player in the world.
LMAO at you comparing a 36 year father of four at end of his career who got 18 out 19 finals and never retired a match vs nadal who well is nadal lol
Mentioning nadal in the same breath as fed in these kind of areas is ridiculous. Don’t go down injury, scheduling route. Stick to talks of weak era and h2h. But remember not too much since nadal has piled up weak era slams by the dozen and don’t talk too much about h2h now that Djokovic is ahead.
Nadal scheduling, body awareness, health and ability to adapt game particularly to reduce toll on body are absolutely atrocious. Even mentioning nadal in same breath as fed or other player on tour in these regards is like me comparing my forehand to nadals.
Nadal is the YE #1, but Federer is the best player in 2017. The stats don't lie.
Winning percentage
Federer 50-4(93%)
Nadal 67-11(86%)
Single titles
Federer 7(8 if he wins the WTF)
Nadal 6
Record against top 10
Federer 12-1(92%)
Nadal 11-6(65%)
H2H
Federer 4
Nadal 0
Fed's being kind.Nadal won two Majors and the USO is more prestigious than AO which gives kudos to Nadal given Federer skipped the FO. People forget that before the USO it was being hailed as the tournament that will decide the best player of 2017. Since Nadal won there has been a lot of backtracking.
Murray was the best player last year and he had one less major than Djokovic. On every level this year Nadal is the best player as he ended no.1. Even Federer admitted that.
Hmm. Fed had knee surgery at the beginning of 2016.
Speaking of withdrawals, Fed withdrew from Cincinnati & Paris Masters, citing back injury...
Hmm. Fed had knee surgery at the beginning of 2016.
Speaking of withdrawals, Fed withdrew from Cincinnati & Paris Masters, citing back injury...
Given Agassi recently said Nadal is GOAT I'm inclined to consider his argument carefully especially after seeing so many Federer fans seem to consider h2h the deciding factor.Ok I agree with your logic completely since it closes the GOAT debate from you permanently. By your own logic Fed is best player ever he has most titles and most finals and semi finals (you have suddenly stressed the importance e of semi finals etc). Just as fed has won more titles this year, Even if nadal wins 5 more slams he still isn’t as good as fed as he will have less titles and less finals, semi finals etc at slams.
Best overall resume as you say too only player to win 10titles on 4 surfaces and lol even only player to do it on 3 surfaces.
Given Agassi recently said Nadal is GOAT I'm inclined to consider his argument carefully especially after seeing so many Federer fans seem to consider h2h the deciding factor.Ok I agree with your logic completely since it closes the GOAT debate from you permanently. By your own logic Fed is best player ever he has most titles and most finals and semi finals (you have suddenly stressed the importance e of semi finals etc). Just as fed has won more titles this year, Even if nadal wins 5 more slams he still isn’t as good as fed as he will have less titles and less finals, semi finals etc at slams.
Best overall resume as you say too only player to win 10titles on 4 surfaces and lol even only player to do it on 3 surfaces.
Some of these salty Federer fans are going to have the worse Christmas and new year ever. I'm stunned by the bitterness on here to Nadal. Envy one of the seven deadly sins as wellThe ATP rankings do not lie, the best player in 2017 is:
Nadal won two Majors and the USO is more prestigious than AO which gives kudos to Nadal given Federer skipped the FO. People forget that before the USO it was being hailed as the tournament that will decide the best player of 2017. Since Nadal won there has been a lot of backtracking.
Murray was the best player last year and he had one less major than Djokovic. On every level this year Nadal is the best player as he ended no.1. Even Federer admitted that.
"Neville. I hear you want to give me some money...."Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.
Fed did play Cincinnati...
Given Agassi recently said Nadal is GOAT I'm inclined to consider his argument carefully especially after seeing so many Federer fans seem to consider h2h the deciding factor.
Nadal has won at least two majors on each surface. Federer hasn't done that. Nadal has Olympic singles Gold Federer hasn't done that. Nadal has 16 majors when there were two other goat contenders at their peak compared to Federers seven. Nadal has a winning h2h on outdoor hard court and clay against Federer.
The above is what Agassi and other pros look at when comparing the two. The Majors are what define players and the era in which they were won.
Federer is a legend is a class act and a gentleman. But he hasn't won a USO in a decade in which time Nadal has won three.
The point Agassi has been making is to be the greatest it is unusual to not have done so many things your greatest rival has done.
Anyway Nadal is the player of year for 2017 so the year is done and dusted early.
You are under-informed about your hero:
https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/federer-withdraws-cincinnati-2017
I posted facts about Fed.
You are under-informed about your hero:
https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/federer-withdraws-cincinnati-2017
put it this way Fed at 36 and a father of four this season has played more tennis, has adapted better and has more but awareness and scheduling skills than nadal has pretty much in every single year of his career even his twenties lol. Nadal is so bad at at scheduling compared to fed it’s ridiculous why are you trying to compare?
LMAO you’re still trying to compare fed and nadal in terms of injuries, retirements, tanks, body awareness etc. hahahaha. Put it this way Nadals record is so pathetic in this regard that you’re literally resorting to have to say look I know nadal sucks but hey look at this 36 year old
It’s like a fed fan having to use fognini or Anderson in some way to prop up fed. Yeah at least serve percentage is better than 136 ranked fognini.
Given Agassi recently said Nadal is GOAT I'm inclined to consider his argument carefully especially after seeing so many Federer fans seem to consider h2h the deciding factor.
Nadal has won at least two majors on each surface. Federer hasn't done that. Nadal has Olympic singles Gold Federer hasn't done that. Nadal has 16 majors when there were two other goat contenders at their peak compared to Federers seven. Nadal has a winning h2h on outdoor hard court and clay against Federer.
The above is what Agassi and other pros look at when comparing the two. The Majors are what define players and the era in which they were won.
Federer is a legend is a class act and a gentleman. But he hasn't won a USO in a decade in which time Nadal has won three.
The point Agassi has been making is to be the greatest it is unusual to not have done so many things your greatest rival has done.
Anyway Nadal is the player of year for 2017 so the year is done and dusted early.
Some of these salty Federer fans are going to have the worse Christmas and new year ever. I'm stunned by the bitterness on here to Nadal. Envy one of the seven deadly sins as well
I post facts.
Yeah he played a full season..was the best player in slams and deserved his ranking. It's ridiculous you claim yourself to be a Nadal fans with posts such as theseSad I have to ask such a question, but it is reality. Sorry, but 6 titles, 0-4 head to head against main rival, losing on a consistent basis to the likes of Querrey and Goffin-it just looks too bad. I started to watch tennis in 2008, and this is the first time I think a year end world number one is undeserved. In 2008, 2010, 2013 Nadal was the best player in the world, no question about that-Federer and Djokovic fans can complain as much as they want, it doesn't change. In 2016 Djokovic was the best player of the year, and yet Murray gave it all in the end and really fought to take it. However, in 2017 the best player (and it's not even close) is Federer. He dominates the tour and has just 4 loses, just 2 in important tournaments. Nadal had a good clay season, but on other surfaces he only played a good USO. Federer fans can say as much as they want that it is peak Nadal and Federer is a hero that he is beating him. But it's not true. Nadal's season can be called good only compared to 2015-2016. Compared to his prime it is a terrible season. And that loss to Goffin didn't surprise at all. I just feel like even he understands his world number one spot does not look good with the way he plays. What do you think?
Technically yes as he grabbed more points than anyone.
VB has to remember that WTF is not a joke. You need to beat atleast 4 top 8 players.
You can win a GS without facing any top 25 player but WTF is a different league competition.
No wonder Bull has not managed to win it...
May be this is his best chance with no Djokovic & Murray
I'm just saying it doesn't feel too good given his results. In 2008, 2010 and 2013 his YE#1 were much more impressive.Yeah he played a full season..was the best player in slams and deserved his ranking. It's ridiculous you claim yourself to be a Nadal fans with posts such as these