Fed fans: does Nadal deserve YE#1 in 2017?

Does Nadal deserve the YE#1 ranking for 2017


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falstaff78

Hall of Fame
This thread is for Federer fans only.

I firmly believe that Nadal does deserve the year end #1 ranking. Wondering what the rest of the fan base thinks?

Federer
Win loss: 49-4
Finals: 7-1
vs top ten: 10-1

Nadal
Win loss: 67-10
Finals: 6-4
vs top ten: 12-5

Head to head: 4-0 for Federer
 
Nadal deserves his current ranking. Federer skipped the ENTIRE Clay Court season. Not just one tournament or two, the entire clay season. Rafa was on fire during that time and i have no doubts if they met, Rafa would have had wins over Roger on clay therefore regaining his confidence to play Roger in subsequent matches. How can you "deserve" to be world number 1 when you miss a third of the season.
 

hipolymer

Hall of Fame
Nadal deserves his current ranking. Federer skipped the ENTIRE Clay Court season. Not just one tournament or two, the entire clay season. Rafa was on fire during that time and i have no doubts if they met, Rafa would have had wins over Roger on clay therefore regaining his confidence to play Roger in subsequent matches. How can you "deserve" to be world number 1 when you miss a third of the season.
Clay is not real tennis. There's a reason tennis was developed from a sport called Real Tennis played on hard courts and ita first court being grass.

Clay was developed by frenchies as a test of endurance
 

ANDYbhGENIUS

Professional
Fed skipped the clay season so there you go; Fed claiming a YE1 is not even in the equation, and thus neither a subject for discussion.
 

enlightenment

Semi-Pro
Well it's not because Federer skipped clay season that he's not No 1. If he had prepared better for NA HC swing and opted for Cincinatti instead, he'd be YE No1 without a doubt. So he probably only has himself to blame, along with some bad luck.

I'll still give it to Nadal though, but only just, because he's put a much more significant effort towards attaining YE no1.
 

borg25

New User
This thread is for Federer fans only.

I firmly believe that Nadal does deserve the year end #1 ranking. Wondering what the rest of the fan base thinks?

Federer
Win loss: 49-4
Finals: 7-1
vs top ten: 10-1

Nadal
Win loss: 67-10
Finals: 6-4
vs top ten: 12-5

Head to head: 4-0 for Federer

Nadal has more points and entered more tournaments. He got the greatest luck EVER
at the US Open, not playing a guy in the top 20 for the whole tournament.

Federer is the best player of the year. He beat Nadal 4 times and his win/loss is the best.
If he wins the WTF, it must be one of his best years on tour.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
This thread is for Federer fans only.

I firmly believe that Nadal does deserve the year end #1 ranking. Wondering what the rest of the fan base thinks?

Federer
Win loss: 49-4
Finals: 7-1
vs top ten: 10-1

Nadal
Win loss: 67-10
Finals: 6-4
vs top ten: 12-5

Head to head: 4-0 for Federer
fed's 11-1
 

fedtennisphan

Hall of Fame
This thread is for Federer fans only.

I firmly believe that Nadal does deserve the year end #1 ranking. Wondering what the rest of the fan base thinks?

Federer
Win loss: 49-4
Finals: 7-1
vs top ten: 10-1

Nadal
Win loss: 67-10
Finals: 6-4
vs top ten: 12-5

Head to head: 4-0 for Federer
It doesn’t matter because if Federer wins the WTF for a 7th time his detractors will be bitter just the same due them not wanting Federer to win anything. Federer will accomplished everything HE wanted this year. FedHaters like claiming Federer fans are insufferable but FedHaters are equally as insufferable because of their envy of Federer due their fav not being able to accomplish the same thing.
 

MS_07

Rookie
He played whole season, but still finish with only +100/200 more than Fed.

So NO.

Quality over quantity.
 

VladBurn

Rookie
Yes, of course.

The same argument we use when Nadal fans bring the H2H thing, that tennis is a sport where you need to beat EVERY player that gets in your way and grab the title, hence why the H2H in this case is not as important as the final result, the GS titles ( which is why 19>16 ). That is what Nadal did this year, he played more and he got more points, as simple as that.

In this case, Federer skipped the whole clay season, while Rafa played the whole season ( skipping only 1-2 tournaments so far I guess ? ).
Had Federer played more tournaments, who knows what the outcome would have been, perhaps he could have ended as n1, but also there's a good chance he wouldnt have won the tournaments he won after the clay season if he played the clay tournaments.

Also, the points system does not lie, it is what it is, totally deserved in my opinion.
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
Clay is not real tennis. There's a reason tennis was developed from a sport called Real Tennis played on hard courts and ita first court being grass.

Clay was developed by frenchies as a test of endurance
You seem like a delightful person
 

cknobman

Legend
Nadal deserves it because he accumulated the most points.

But if Federer wins the WTF I can confidently say this would be one of those few years where the YE#1 was not the best player on tour.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Hehe, I agree, however the poll results are pretty much telling the story you see in most of the threads. The large majority of Fedfans are more or less level-headed. Now ask only Nadal fans who was the better player this season and be amazed! :D
Well even this non neutral group ( supposedly biased against Nadal ) has majorly voted for Nadal (80%)
No argument from me there. Even though it would be very hard to be mad at anything after the awesome AO run and Wimbly record, fair play to you guys.
 

Luckydog

Professional
This thread is for Federer fans only.

I firmly believe that Nadal does deserve the year end #1 ranking. Wondering what the rest of the fan base thinks?

Federer
Win loss: 49-4
Finals: 7-1
vs top ten: 10-1

Nadal
Win loss: 67-10
Finals: 6-4
vs top ten: 12-5

Head to head: 4-0 for Federer
You missed something crucial~ age 36:31
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Yes, there's a points system to determine No 1 and Nadal got most points so he deserves it.

I find it a little ironic that a few Nadal fans are suddenly converted to the virtues of consistent performance over head - to- head but that doesn't mean Fed fans should themselves be inconsistent.

Wouldn't have swapped AO17 for No 1 if offered though!!:)
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
I firmly believe Roger was the best player this season. But his successes at 35 were not possible without taking breaks. Skipping tournaments and losing out on those points is the price he paid for raising so many trophies this year.

And I think we all know he only lost out on the #1 ranking after his back acted up in Canada. Even the most ardent Rafa fans had to admit that after Wimbledon Roger was the prohibitive favorite for not only the US Open but the entire indoor season as well. It seemed it was only a matter of time before he leapfrogged Rafa in the rankings (especially after Rafa's upset in Montreal).

However, despite Fed's near perfect first half of the season, I have absolutely no issue when the #1 player in the world ends with 2 majors, 2 Masters and 2 500s at the age of 31. Rafa managed to grind out the entire season and he deserves not only those victories, but the points he accrued at tournaments he didn't win (Australia, Miami, Rome, etc). Fed beat him in 3 finals but that means Rafa also took care of his half of the draw plenty of times too. Getting to finals and semis doesn't count for nothing.
 

Zeref

Professional
#1 Nadal , Best player on ( Hard - Fed , Grass - Fed , Clay- Nadal) for the whole season. As simple as that for me.
 

Jackuar

Hall of Fame
Is Nadal deserving? Yes.
Is Nadal the No. 1? No. Because he lost to Federer significantly.

It's eerily similar to the GOAT argument.
Is Nadal deserving GOAT-hood? Yes.
Is Nadal GOAT? No.

Edit: I'm not trying to bring in the GOAT discussion. Please stop right there if you want to pull it there. I only purely meant it to be a comparison.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Well, I'll withold judgment for now given that I think the WTF plays a huge part in this. But I can say this now:
If Fed wins it, Fed's my personal YE no. 1/player of the year/best player or however you wish to frame it.

Now that doesn't mean Rafa doesn't deserve it. So in this respect, I can answer your question now. Yes, he does deserve it. He's worked very hard to get it.
But if Fed goes on to win the WTF, he has
2 slams,
1 WTF,
3 Masters
2 ATP 500's.
And presumably a 54-4 or 53-5 record, including a 16-1 or 15-2 vs. top-10 and a 4-0 or 5-0 vs. Rafa.

To me, that's just plain better than what Rafa has done this year.

And I also think you can't overlook that Fed won the AO while beating 4 top-10 players (first time in like forever that that has happened or since early 80's iirc). While Rafa won the US without beating a top-27 player. In other words: All slams aren't equal even though the end result is the same.

But if we're judging two players who both have a strong case for being the player of the year, I do think going into details about two so dissimilar draws matter. As @NatF wrote recently, he gives Rafa more props for his AO-run and getting to 3-1 in the final set than his US Open-title. Given the players he beat and how close he came to winning. And I tend to think I concur.
I firmly believe Roger was the best player this season. But his successes at 35 were not possible without taking breaks. Skipping tournaments and losing out on those points is the price he paid for raising so many trophies this year.

And I think we all know he only lost out on the #1 ranking after his back acted up in Canada. Even the most ardent Rafa fans had to admit that after Wimbledon Roger was the prohibitive favorite for not only the US Open but the entire indoor season as well. It seemed it was only a matter of time before he leapfrogged Rafa in the rankings (especially after Rafa's upset in Montreal).

However, despite Fed's near perfect first half of the season, I have absolutely no issue when the #1 player in the world ends with 2 majors, 2 Masters and 2 500s at the age of 31. Rafa managed to grind out the entire season and he deserves not only those victories, but the points he accrued at tournaments he didn't win (Australia, Miami, Rome, etc). Fed beat him in 3 finals but that means Rafa also took care of his half of the draw plenty of times too. Getting to finals and semis doesn't count for nothing.
good post
 
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Julian Houston

Semi-Pro
Not.

Fred lost Nr1 because he slacked too much but he saved his body. Nadal overplayed and could jeopardize his 2018 season. Every player will wants to beat the number 1 player while they relax against Fred.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
If someone feels Nadal does not "deserve" the No. 1 ranking then they do not believe in the ranking system at all,
and therefore should not care where it places Federer, or any player for that matter.
The system is objective and driven by numbers, everyone's ranking is precisely what they "deserve."

Federer had a PHENOMENAL year. But his year did not amount to the ye#1 ranking, so he will not get it.
 

Polvorin

Professional
I'm going with yes even though I don't think he was the best player, which was obviously Fed... who dominated everyone including his nemesis. I believe that Rafa earned the ranking by simply playing more.

I think that any number of WTA #1's over the years earned their ranking as well, even if Serena was obviously the best player.
 
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