Federer had no business beating Cilic but he had no business losing to Raonic, either!

[BreakPoint]

Anyway, that's how I feel about it after watching both 5-set matches.

Federer should have lost the QF to Cilic, but he should have won the SF against Raonic. He was down 2 sets to love and had multiple match points against him but somehow he dug deep and won the match against Cilic. But he also had so many break opportunities against Raonic and should have won that 4th set and the match. A couple of poor shot choices and decisions and a few double-faults cost him the match.

It's a really heartbreaking loss for Federer as he knew he had this match (and he said so himself in the press conference). This was probably his last best chance to win Wimbledon.

 

[OhYes]

I feel more sorry for Cilic than Federer. Cilic just proved to himsslf and the rest of the world that UO was one big fluke and that he has coach who cares more about his own image than about player he coaches.
Federer already has many slams and he didn't really need this one.

 

[terribleIVAN]

Agreed.
This was Fed's last chance at a slam.

Not to mention he possibly re-injured his left knee in his fall in the 5th set, and alluded to it in the press conference.

Then, while serving at 2-1 down in the fifth, Federer lost his footing on a deuce point and fell onto his stomach on the grass while trying in vain to reach a passing shot. Federer went immediately to his chair and called for trainer, who examined his left knee.

Federer, who had surgery on his left knee in February, resumed the game and didn't show any outward sign of injury. But he was broken in that game after another crucial double-fault at deuce. On the second break point, Raonic stroked a forehand cross-court passing shot winner.

That break put Raonic in firm control. He stayed on top the rest of the set and served out the match at love.

Federer said later he wasn't sure whether he had picked up an injury.

"I hope I didn't hurt myself," he said. "I don't know at this point. I hope it's not so bad. I walked it off. I was able to finish. But I don't slip a lot. I don't ever fall down. It was a different fall for me than I've ever had.

"I just hope I'm going to be fine. I believe I am, but I'll know more tomorrow when I wake up."

 

[Wilhelm]

I agree. It's kind of similar to the Germany-France semi in football: Germany played better and lost 0:2.

 

[HipRotation]

That's tennis baby.

 

[jm1980]

I agree. It's kind of similar to the Germany-France semi in football: Germany played better and lost 0:2.

Fed did not play better than Raonic, specially in the decider

 

[Dartagnan64]

Who among us hasn't felt we played better and still lost? Sometimes it's a matter of getting breaks at the right time. There's enough funny bounces in tennis to make a difference especially on natural surfaces.
Sometimes we just don't execute at the right times.

Doesn't mean Federer, Raonic or Cilic "deserved" to win or lose any of their 5 set matches. They just executed better than the other guy or got luckier than the other guy at the crucial moments.

In the SF Raonic was better in set 1 and 5 and from 5-5 in set 4. Fed was playing better from 6-6 in set 2 and in set 3. The rest of the match was a draw.

Still doesn't mean Fed can't win again or that Raonic is a fluke.

 

[Charlemagne]

Federer just threw that 4th set away with his double faults, poor BP play and stupid approach shots. So no, I don't really feel sorry for him.

 

[sportsfan1]

Agreed.
This was Fed's last chance at a slam.

Not to mention he possibly re-injured his left knee in his fall in the 5th set, and alluded to it in the press conference.

It looked like he turned his ankle a little bit and that led to the fall.

Starting at 13 minutes 11 seconds here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bljGR7wSk70&t=13m10s

 

[tennisaddict]

Fed did not play better than Raonic, specially in the decider

LOL. Fed played better than Raonic for 70 % of the match.

Fed was clearly the better player in sets 2 to 4.

 

[BreakPoint]

The way that break happened to give Raonic the 4th set was pretty nauseating for Federer fans.

 

[Sander001]

Who among us hasn't felt we played better and still lost?

Those who haven't played tennis before. You'd be surprised at how many there are on these boards!

 

[eagletennis]

Anyway, that's how I feel about it after watching both 5-set matches.

Federer should have lost the QF to Cilic, but he should have won the SF against Raonic. He was down 2 sets to love and had multiple match points against him but somehow he dug deep and won the match against Cilic. But he also had so many break opportunities against Raonic and should have won that 4th set and the match. A couple of poor shot choices and decisions and a few double-faults cost him the match.

It's a really heartbreaking loss for Federer as he knew he had this match (and he said so himself in the press conference). This was probably his last best chance to win Wimbledon.

I disagree.On all of those match points Federer served really good.Its not like that Cilic played those points bad and had unforced errors.Federer just played better those points

 

[Deleted member 77403]

The way that break happened to give Raonic the 4th set was pretty nauseating for Federer fans.

It was pretty nauseating for Federer himself also.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

Is Sam Querry still on Federer's will? Maybe he should have also added Raonic before the match

 

[BreakPoint]

Is Sam Querry still on Federer's will? Maybe he should have also added Raonic before the match

Sam Querry is, but Sam Querrey is not. Thus, Sam Querrey won't get anything since Federer didn't win the title.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

LOL X 20,000! Just goes to show, in these days and times, everything matters. Down to the letter!

Sam Querry is, but Sam Querrey is not. Thus, Sam Querrey won't get anything since Federer didn't win the title.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

Sampras remains joint Wimbledon record holder with Federer and Federer's 17 slam record remains within Djokovic's reach thanks to Raonic's contributions to the tennis world. Both of them owe a thank you card to Raonic

 

[90's Clay]

Federer shouldn't have beat Cilic but of course another EPIC choke from Cilic. A few match points and a 2 set lead? No excuse. Thats not how to get it done if you want to win slams. You don't **** away 2 set leads and match points.

The Raonic match, Federer thought he could cruise as Raonic has historically been his lapdog. Got too cocky trying to be pretty, Taking Raonic lightly and he blew probably his last chance at a slam ever. Dumb Move

 

[Sentinel]

Sampras remains joint Wimbledon record holder with Federer and Federer's 17 slam record remains within Djokovic's reach thanks to Raonic's contributions to the tennis world. Both of them owe a thank you card to Raonic

Out of here, you pot-stirrer, you trouble-maker !

btw, your name sake Zeeshan Ali was commenting some matches at WO this year, the doubles matches with Indian players.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

Good points. I agree, 90's clay bhai!

Federer shouldn't have beat Cilic but of course another EPIC choke from Cilic. A few match points and a 2 set lead? No excuse. Thats not how to get it done if you want to win slams. You don't **** away 2 set leads and match points.

The Raonic match, Federer thought he could cruise as Raonic has historically been his lapdog. Got too cocky trying to be pretty, Taking Raonic lightly and he blew probably his last chance at a slam ever. Dumb Move

 

[Deleted member 744633]

Sentinel ... C*rap, missed it! I wish I had read your post earlier. Is there a recording somewhere of that match? Video doesn't matter, I just need the audio

Out of here, you pot-stirrer, you trouble-maker !

btw, your name sake Zeeshan Ali was commenting some matches at WO this year, the doubles matches with Indian players.

 

[jm1980]

LOL. Fed played better than Raonic for 70 % of the match.

Fed was clearly the better player in sets 2 to 4.

Well, he was the better player probably until 6-5 40-0 in the fourth. After that, it was all Raonic.

I'd say Fed was better for maybe 60% of the match. But still, Raonic broke Fed twice and only got broken once.

 

[Meles]

I feel more sorry for Cilic than Federer. Cilic just proved to himsslf and the rest of the world that UO was one big fluke and that he has coach who cares more about his own image than about player he coaches.
Federer already has many slams and he didn't really need this one.

What??? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

 

[Meles]

Agreed.
This was Fed's last chance at a slam.

Not to mention he possibly re-injured his left knee in his fall in the 5th set, and alluded to it in the press conference.

Plenty of time for Olympic Gold and a US Open.

 

[newpball]

Anyway, that's how I feel about it after watching both 5-set matches.

Federer should have lost the QF to Cilic, but he should have won the SF against Raonic. He was down 2 sets to love and had multiple match points against him but somehow he dug deep and won the match against Cilic. But he also had so many break opportunities against Raonic and should have won that 4th set and the match. A couple of poor shot choices and decisions and a few double-faults cost him the match.

It's a really heartbreaking loss for Federer as he knew he had this match (and he said so himself in the press conference). This was probably his last best chance to win Wimbledon.

F is probably long over the loss, his fans however.......

 

[BreakPoint]

F is probably long over the loss, his fans however.......

I wouldn't be so sure about that:

“This one clearly hurts because I felt I could have had it,” said Federer, the seven-time former champion, rueing the 11th final that got away. “So close. It was really so, so close. It clearly hurts."

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2016-07-08/federer_im_really_angry_with_myself.html

 

[OhYes]

What??? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

What is stupidest ? That Cilic showed how useless he can and will be against best players, that his coach shouldn't show anxiety in crucial moments, or that Fed didn't really need this like some other players might have?

 

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[Meles]

What is stupidest ? That Cilic showed how useless he can and will be against best players, that his coach shouldn't show anxiety in crucial moments, or that Fed didn't really need this like some other players might have?

Fair point on Goran, but Cilic arguably pulled up his greatest performance since 2014 US Open. If that's him choking I'm afraid he's been choking big time for almost two years. Don't bother to detail the points. Federer was mixing up his 2nd serve a lot and I don't see missing a return on a 107 mph change up as choking. Federer upped his game and survived an epic encounter. Or, you (not me) can label it choking for Cilic. You won't convince me of such an absurd labelling of one of Cilic's best matches. Cilic has never faced a worthy challenge when in this kind of form and he finally got one from Fed.

 

[Meles]

What is stupidest ? That Cilic showed how useless he can and will be against best players, that his coach shouldn't show anxiety in crucial moments, or that Fed didn't really need this like some other players might have?

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[mistik]

Exactly what ı think about both matches. Amazed that there are still some threads and post that makes sense.

 

[OhYes]

So basically you're saying that the stupidest thing you ever heard on this forum was me saying that Cilic choked? Say no more.
Cilic played great up to point he needed to finish the job. Roger was nervous, he couldn't serve properly, but guess what - Cilic was complete meltdown. He had to deal with second serve and he couldn't get it back into court, 2 or maybe even 3 times. And that tiebreak

Fair point on Goran, but Cilic arguably pulled up his greatest performance since 2014 US Open. If that's him choking I'm afraid he's been choking big time for almost two years. Don't bother to detail the points. Federer was mixing up his 2nd serve a lot and I don't see missing a return on a 107 mph change up as choking. Federer upped his game and survived an epic encounter. Or, you (not me) can label it choking for Cilic. You won't convince me of such an absurd labelling of one of Cilic's best matches. Cilic has never faced a worthy challenge when in this kind of form and he finally got one from Fed.

 

[OhYes]

So basically you're saying that the stupidest thing you ever heard on this forum was me saying that Cilic choked? Say no more.
Cilic played great up to point he needed to finish the job. Roger was nervous, he couldn't serve properly, but guess what - Cilic was complete meltdown. He had to deal with second serve and he couldn't get it back into court, 2 or maybe even 3 times. And that tiebreak

Fair point on Goran, but Cilic arguably pulled up his greatest performance since 2014 US Open. If that's him choking I'm afraid he's been choking big time for almost two years. Don't bother to detail the points. Federer was mixing up his 2nd serve a lot and I don't see missing a return on a 107 mph change up as choking. Federer upped his game and survived an epic encounter. Or, you (not me) can label it choking for Cilic. You won't convince me of such an absurd labelling of one of Cilic's best matches. Cilic has never faced a worthy challenge when in this kind of form and he finally got one from Fed.

 

[swizzy]

completely agree with bp.. and couldn't disagree more with the person who said cilic's uso win was a fluke.. he played inspired lights out in those matches.. and he certainly had Roger in this last match.. great nadal like fight for fed to get past him. congrats to todays winner..

 

[swizzy]

completely agree with bp.. and couldn't disagree more with the person who said cilic's uso win was a fluke.. he played inspired lights out in those matches.. and he certainly had Roger in this last match.. great Nadal like fight for fed to get past him. congrats to todays winner..

 

[swizzy]

completely agree with bp.. and couldn't disagree more with the person who said cilic's uso win was a fluke.. he played inspired lights out in those matches.. and he certainly had Roger in this last match.. great Nadal like fight for fed to get past him. congrats to todays winner..

 

[swizzy]

completely agree with bp.. and couldn't disagree more with the person who said cilic's uso win was a fluke.. he played inspired lights out in those matches.. and he certainly had Roger in this last match.. great Nadal like fight for fed to get past him. congrats to todays winner..

 

[AceSalvo]

Cilic could not beat a 34yr old man coming back from knee injury.
USO 2014 is as FLUKE as it can get!

 

[I am the Greatest!]

Anyway, that's how I feel about it after watching both 5-set matches.

Federer should have lost the QF to Cilic, but he should have won the SF against Raonic. He was down 2 sets to love and had multiple match points against him but somehow he dug deep and won the match against Cilic. But he also had so many break opportunities against Raonic and should have won that 4th set and the match. A couple of poor shot choices and decisions and a few double-faults cost him the match.

It's a really heartbreaking loss for Federer as he knew he had this match (and he said so himself in the press conference). This was probably his last best chance to win Wimbledon.

This is 'Sports' bruh. Haven't you ever played one sport in your life that you thought you got it, you outplayed the field, and at the end you still lost? That's just how it is.

 

[terribleIVAN]

LOL. Fed played better than Raonic for 70 % of the match.

Fed was clearly the better player in sets 2 to 4.

Allow me to disagree on that 4th set.

If he trully was the better player in that set, even after being rejoined from 40-0 to 40 all, he had the occasion to force a tie-break with 2 additional points.

Instead, Raonic forced 3 more break points, won the third one, while saving 1 game point.

Federer was fading fast in that fourth set, it's no coincidence he chocked in these last moments.

Then he was absolutely done in the fifth, and simply couldn't return Raonic's serve anymore.

 

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[tennisaddict]

Allow me to disagree on that 4th set.

If he trully was the better player in that set, even after being rejoined from 40-0 to 40 all, he had the occasion to force a tie-break with 2 additional points.

Instead, Raonic forced 3 more break points, won the third one, while saving 1 game point.

Federer was fading fast in that fourth set, it's no coincidence he chocked in these last moments.

Then he was absolutely done in the fifth, and simply couldn't return Raonic's serve anymore.

Federer, fading fast that set ? Please rewatch. Fed was 15-30, 15-30, 0-30 ahead on Raonic's prior service games and held 3 BP over multiple games. He just had a brain fart at 40-15, 5-6 and Raonic noticed that and took his chances and came out successful.

 

[Gary Duane]

Before saying Federer had "no business" losing to Raonic, consider that even Murray, at this point a much better returner on grass, managed on BP in today's win, and I do not believe Raonic was serving as well today.

Raonic is getting too little credit for being a very dangerous player. He may end up as another Berdych, of course. But not too long ago people were saying Murray was not even a real part of the Big Four. Seems like he had the last laugh today.

I'm not a Murray fan. If I were, I'd trolling this place like it's never been trolled before.

 

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