ohiostate124
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I wonder if the 90 would allow Fed to be more effective against Djokovic today.
Federer vs Djokovic 2012 WB , and 2014-15 WB
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RS
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Sure it was........ Or it could have both equally hand in hand.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Fraud also had better winning percentage
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Probably not...
Only things which can help him are building more muscular power in upper body to hit through nole's defense, and not choking on set/break point
Maybe. But Federer actually changed his racket and lost his deadly FH as a result. But he got more easy power on serve and shanked less BH so he was effective vs the top 10. Cost him vs Nole.
Djokovic played the same game with some serve and volley improvements.
HetTheGreaterer
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Any comments on this??
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
So why was Fed in serious trouble against Benneteau in 2012 but annihilated everyone in the draw up to the final in 2015?
Also, Fed’s performance in the SF against Muzziah was glorious tennis—one of his greatest imo.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Back injury, which troubled in the Malisse match as well.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Glorious serving. Average from the baseline. The Benneteau match is just called having a bad day, like Djoker vs Anderson in 2015 and countless other examples.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
I shy away from these comparisons across time, since there are so many variables. But Fed was two points away from being kicked out in the third round of WB 2012. Was that really a better performance than 2015?
Nadal_Django
Legend
People underestimate Djokovic's improvement under Becker. Especially regarding the Federer matchup. Much better serve, better dealing with the Fed's backhand slice, smarter and better passing, overall smarter game and much more tools for answering the Federer variety. 
Yes. He beat Djokovic in 2012 and controlled a lot of points with his FH.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
But two points that went the other way and he wouldn’t even have had a chance to play Nole.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
I shudder to think about how bad his return would be if he was still using the 90.
Not really relevant to his match up with Nole. Anything can happen in early rounds on grass.
Nadal_Django
Legend
Even an visibly under par Djokovic was one point away from probably leading 2012 WB Fed 2-1 in sets. It's not like 2012 Fed was unplayable or something even for that version of Djokovic.
Your double standards and hypocrisy is astonishing. Not even subtle about itEven an visibly under par Djokovic was one point away from probably leading 2012 WB Fed 2-1 in sets. It's not like 2012 Fed was unplayable or something even for that version of Djokovic.
underground
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Not gonna bother replying to the majority of troll post here.
But to respond to the OP, simply speaking, it came down to the following:
2012: Fed's slice much stronger with the old racquet, Novak still can't handle the slice back then. Fed more competent at the back of the court
Once Boris joined the team, Novak had a much better serve and all round game. It allowed him to cruise through a lot of his service games, and gave Fed some of his own medicine. Also,
2014: zero ground game for certain patches of the match from Fed. The comeback in the 4th set was a partial choke (2 UEs at 5-3 and 3 more at 5-5).
2015: mentally the matchup is getting to Fed after losing in Indian Wells and Rome. The running FH was also AWOL that day. Fed had his chances (up 4-2 in the first set and had 2 SP at 6-5 but couldn't convert).
But to respond to the OP, simply speaking, it came down to the following:
2012: Fed's slice much stronger with the old racquet, Novak still can't handle the slice back then. Fed more competent at the back of the court
Once Boris joined the team, Novak had a much better serve and all round game. It allowed him to cruise through a lot of his service games, and gave Fed some of his own medicine. Also,
2014: zero ground game for certain patches of the match from Fed. The comeback in the 4th set was a partial choke (2 UEs at 5-3 and 3 more at 5-5).
2015: mentally the matchup is getting to Fed after losing in Indian Wells and Rome. The running FH was also AWOL that day. Fed had his chances (up 4-2 in the first set and had 2 SP at 6-5 but couldn't convert).
Nadal_Django
Legend
Just being very honest KINGROGER.Your double standards and hypocrisy is astonishing. Not even subtle about it
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Bow down to the king.
Raining hopes
Hall of Fame
What about this year's WrestleMania poisoned brother ? You feeling the electricity ?
underground
G.O.A.T.
People underestimate Djokovic's improvement under Becker. Especially regarding the Federer matchup. Much better serve, better dealing with the Fed's backhand slice, smarter and better passing, overall smarter game and much more tools for answering the Federer variety.
This. Fed actually led the H2H in 2014, although he lost the bigger matches at IW and Wimbledon, Novak choked in both matches (failed to serve out matches). But you can see Novak turning the rivalry around when 2015 came round, he was slowly starting to figure Fed out. Just like how Fed figured Murray out (and to an extent Rafa off clay).
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I still don’t understand why he said that, in my opinion it seems obvious that’s not true. When I watch his FH in 2015 and compare it to his FH in his younger days, I see a huge difference. It’s like night and day.
RS
Bionic Poster
He improved his adapting to and dealing with slices. Smashes as well.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Is there any reason to say the opposite when he's active? Bad self-motivation and it'd encourage his opponents.
RS
Bionic Poster
He did make that statement at Cincy which was like a perfect tournament for Federer and everything was clicking.
D
Deleted member 762343
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He didn’t have to specifically say his FH was better than ever, it’s not like someone asked him to talk about it.
Yes but still, I don’t think his FH was as lethal as before.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Whatever man.
Let me go back to my beloved stats. Don't you like that one in post #17? I love it.
upchuck
Hall of Fame
Fed fans insist everything be reduced to the eye test, but only if your eyes see what theirs see!
The fundamentals were the same (baseline game)
You have to be blind man to not see how worse Fed’s FH was in 14/15 than 12.
lud
Hall of Fame
From a certain POV. You also have to be blind person to not see how crazily good Djokovic neutralized Fed's FH in 14/15.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Jaded as ever, Raining dude.
What I'd like to have right now, is for Vince McMahon, and all the fat, out of shape Hollywood WWE writers to keep the noise down while I take my robe off and show everybody what real entertainment looks like.
RS
Bionic Poster
Yes he was still a basliner I agree. Just tried to make less physical knowing he was getting older and could not play the same game as he did 3 years before.
abmk
Bionic Poster
back issues in that Benneteau match (and Malisse one as well).
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