I'm interested to see what he thinks of it.Thanks for the feedback. I ended up buying the personalized tension sheet and strung my son's racquet, he is yet to hit with it tonight. Will be interesting to see his feedback. But I felt it's little overpriced for one racquet, if it was a little cheaper, I am sure there will be many buying for different racquet customizations.
And with the tension loss, you were talking about, I am guessing that would happen which only goes onto prove that the method isn't for everyone, its only for those who could string after every session of their tennis (only PROs?)
I'm interested to see what he thinks of it.
I know Roger Federer used to use a similar method for his racquets, but he does not anymore. In fact, I don't know of any pro that does.
Hello there Stringing Gurus!
Wanted to check if anyone has given Sergetti stringing methods a shot? If yes - what's your opinion? I did see some videos on YouTube that said that it did hold the tension longer etc....but wanted to ask here to understand from the real people...
I would say, if he has a couple days without a tournament immediately after, give him two freshly strung racquets, one with and one without Sergetti stringing. Don't tell him which one is different. If he has a consistent hitting partner, maybe ask for his feedback as well on the difference between the two racquets. Sometimes the player will or won't feel a difference, but the hitting partner notices the opposite. What the player feels is important, but it's also important what the actual difference is, which will be felt by his hitting partner.Ok - here's the verdict from my son:
First I asked him if he found the racquet to be any different to the other racquets I had strung before for him, he said 'not really'. I asked him whether he was able to center the ball more than before, this is when he said something that is very interesting, He said he was able to put more balls back in the court and.....he said he hit some unbelievable shots. I watched him from the side fence - I can say from my mere casual tennis fan/watcher experience, I head the pop to be little different than other times. I am going to give this try for couple more stringing jobs and see what happens. But this also brought me new problems, If this was to be helping him to succeed well, I'd have to invest in an electronic stringing machine.
I tried it and wasn't that impressed. I did definitely notice a difference in my first hitting session. I strung it up in the afternoon and played with it that night. It did feel better, however, by the time I went back out onto the courts a couple days later, I couldn't tell the difference between my Sergetti-strung racquet and my normal strung racquet. Very interesting idea, but I don't think that the relative tensions hold; it evens out over time, especially after being hit with. The overall tension held fine, maybe even slightly better than normal, but nothing drastic, and I did not notice a bigger sweetspot by my second hitting session with it.
Why do you say they don't even out? I don't mean to say that all the strings ended up with the same exact tension, just that they different tensions pulled did not stay at the same tension relative to each other, i.e. the strings I pulled 10 pounds tighter than some others no longer felt that they were 10 pounds tighter. They might not completely even out, but the relative differences seems to go away after hitting with it for a while. I've seen someone string a racquet but they didn't have enough string to pull the final cross, and they didn't have a starting clamp to bridge the string to tension it either. They just tied it off without tensioning it. After hitting with it, the second to last cross had lost more tension than normal, and the final cross that wasn't tensioned now had some tension on it. They weren't equal, but they started to even out a little. Why would the Sergetti method change that tendency?I totally believe that you felt some kind of change over time.
But, string beds don’t “even out” (with respect to tension) - with or without play. It would be interesting to know what (if any) factors resulted in the changes you felt, and whether or not the proportional nature of the job exacerbated those changes (or slowed them).
The friction limits it but definitely does not prevent it entirely. Some racquets you must double-pull when stringing, meaning you pull two strings at once, and that tension goes around the grommets just fine. It's not as accurate as single pulling, but it does work. I'm not saying they become completely equal, it just changes enough to mitigate the effects of having the different tensions after a while.Friction between the grommets severely limits this outcome (if not prevents it entirely). Now, if you hit lots of balls near the edge of the frame - that might have some effect. But unless you’re not very good at tennis, you’re hitting the majority of balls near the center of the bed.
what I noticed yesterday was that when he plays the tournament drills, there are about 4 levels of competencies that compete, my son normally sways between 1&2, but yesterday he never dropped to 2 - stayed at the top and some of the defense shots he played were totally unbelievable.
The friction limits it but definitely does not prevent it entirely. Some racquets you must double-pull when stringing, meaning you pull two strings at once, and that tension goes around the grommets just fine. It's not as accurate as single pulling, but it does work. I'm not saying they become completely equal, it just changes enough to mitigate the effects of having the different tensions after a while.
Very interesting idea, but I don't think that the relative tensions hold; it evens out over time, especially after being hit with. The overall tension held fine, maybe even slightly better than normal, but nothing drastic, and I did not notice a bigger sweetspot by my second hitting session with it.
RF19, I wrote a number of posts in a parallel thread and do not want to repeat myself. However, I want to share that your observations are similar to ours. If you are a top level player with laser-sharp technique, you probably would not care. If you are not at that level, a larger sweet spot that comes from proportional stringing can "improve" your tennis by a level or more because you hit make many better shots and make much fewer mistakes "in the net" or "out" when racquet hits the ball slightly off-center. Immediate difference feels like a small, slightly softer feel, but when you start playing, you recognize that there is a big difference in performance.
We see absolutely no way for ourselves to go back.
I do not see tension sheets as something expensive at all. You do not need many of them, you use them over and over again, and considering that you can use a strung racquet about twice as long if it is strung per Sergetti, the tension sheet pays for itself in a single stringing job.
Your son might like natural gut on the mains, poly on crosses hybrid strung per Sergetti, e.g., Wilson Champions Choice (gut + Alu Power Rough) or Babolat gut + RPM Blast 17. These are nice hybrids, which become even better with Sergetti. They both feel very similar, with a little more control and spin than full bed natural gut, also a little stiffer. Gut+PRP Blast is cheaper, pre-packaged. Even though poly is generally very short-lived, in this hybrid in combination with Sergetti, it lasts 1-2 months.
No it won’t. But you could destroy an arm trying.But I had to force him to go on fully poly bed as it will force him to increase racquet head speed
thanks for that - I wasn't the one to initiate it, but one of his coach (very young guy) had told me that it will help him with the racquet swing speed, as he'd have to generate on his own. I'll think on options to go back.No it won’t. But you could destroy an arm trying.
@AndI - Thanks for your suggestions, He actually loves the hybrid set up, But I had to force him to go on fully poly bed as it will force him to increase racquet head speed (generating your own pace) and helps him control the ball little better. I'll definitely try the hybrid combos you suggested. What is Gut + PRP? I do have some stock string I can set up and check it out for others you mentioned. He did enjoy the RPM blast on the full bed with Sergetti method, I am yet to try on one of my racquets - although not sure if the method is going to be much different between a Pure Aero and an Aero Pro Drive - I'll need to try it out and see it what happens.
A lot of young coaches are very pro-poly because that is what they used to elevate their game because for a while people didn't realize how bad it could be for the arm.thanks for that - I wasn't the one to initiate it, but one of his coach (very young guy) had told me that it will help him with the racquet swing speed, as he'd have to generate on his own. I'll think on options to go back.
Ok - here's the verdict from my son:
First I asked him if he found the racquet to be any different to the other racquets I had strung before for him, he said 'not really'. I asked him whether he was able to center the ball more than before, this is when he said something that is very interesting, He said he was able to put more balls back in the court and.....he said he hit some unbelievable shots. I watched him from the side fence - I can say from my mere casual tennis fan/watcher experience, I head the pop to be little different than other times. I am going to give this try for couple more stringing jobs and see what happens. But this also brought me new problems, If this was to be helping him to succeed well, I'd have to invest in an electronic stringing machine.
I was pleasantly surpriced...
Haaa. Yeah, *pleasantly surpriSed,,,You got overcharged, why was this pleasant?!
Haaa. Yeah, *pleasantly surpriSed,,,
it felt nice,, buttery feel at impact, in several areas of the string bed
served and volley practise today; felt great..
def trying this again with a poly stringbed,,
Really are you sure it's the drop weight? It could be the clamps you know.My thoughts after a couple of weeks of stringing on a drop weight - this method isn't for drop weight machines at all. I see a significant drop in tension, I struggled with the racquet yesterday, the same racquet that felt like magic right after stringing. I am looking to buy an electronic stringing machine and give this a shot with gut and poly.
Really are you sure it's the drop weight? It could be the clamps you know.
I’m not sure a drop weight can pull to 1/10 lb precisely but I doubt that would matter. When I used the Sergetti pattern on my machine I used the Kg scale because the lb scale onl measured in 1/2 lb increments.You could be right. Mine is a basic drop weight machine with plastic flying clamps. And I am also not sure If the drop weight can really pull 44.9 to the precision which is why I said it’s not for the drop weight machines.
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I'm not sure for "all" dropweigts, but my Stringway (automatic) dropweight can be used with increments of 0.1kg.I’m not sure a drop weight can pull to 1/10 lb precisely
I guess the answer could be that drop weight machines with fixed metal clamps will be the closest, but i guess you can't beat the electronic machines. I am holding back on stringing natural gut on a drop weight, just a little anxiety that I might break them if I pull 50lbs on a drop weight.I'm not sure for "all" dropweigts, but my Stringway (automatic) dropweight can be used with increments of 0.1kg.
50 lbs or 100 lbs on a drop weight is just like 50 / 100 lbs on an electronic machine or for that matter (I'm tyring to pick a fight LOL) 50 / 100 lbs on a lockout machine. Unless of course 50 lbs is not 50 lbs. If you pull 50 klbs on any machine it is 50 lbs. Now if you have a drop weight set up to 50 pbs and you let the weight free fall from the top you could get a peak tension of something greater than 50 lbs granted.I guess the answer could be that drop weight machines with fixed metal clamps will be the closest, but i guess you can't beat the electronic machines. I am holding back on stringing natural gut on a drop weight, just a little anxiety that I might break them if I pull 50lbs on a drop weight.
i guess that's a fair statement (the stringing minnows like me are always skeptical) and the art of keeping the drop weight bar perfectly parallel can make you think like that, having said that the plastic flying clamps that come along with on a X2 stringer isn't something you can depend on - I am seeing the drop in tension pretty significantly. I can easily understand why cos I see the string move atleast 1/2 inch to 1 when I release the rachet after clamping the string.50 lbs or 100 lbs on a drop weight is just like 50 / 100 lbs on an electronic machine or for that matter (I'm tyring to pick a fight LOL) 50 / 100 lbs on a lockout machine. Unless of course 50 lbs is not 50 lbs. If you pull 50 klbs on any machine it is 50 lbs. Now if you have a drop weight set up to 50 pbs and you let the weight free fall from the top you could get a peak tension of something greater than 50 lbs granted.
The only thing with Sergetti, you need a constant pull machine (dropweight or electronic tensioner). Cannot do it with a crank.
You can use a crank if you wantTime to wake this thread up..
Why the statement above "cannot do it with a crank"?
I'm curious.
The Sergetti website says "take your sheet to ANY stringer".
Doesn't say the stringer has to have a constant pull or drop weight machine!
This is the only reference to not being able to use a crank machine with Sergetti I can find on the www!
As later discussed 50lb is 50lb is 50! If pulled and ref checked and it's 50lb, why not a crank machine?
If it's because there was concern you couldn't set 45.5lb or 59.7lb.., on my machine you can easily see where 0.5 is and 0.1, 0.2 etc can be judged perfectly well enough.
As others have said a small error in tension won't matter that much either.
Every machine has a small % error anyway.
I have bought a couple of sheets for my C10 Pro and Head Gravity Pro. I have initially followed the suggested tensions but eventually settled on rounding them all off to 0 decimal points. Didn’t make a difference. But made setting tensions easier. I use the Wise tensioner on my Neos 1500. So if I would have to use the crank it wouldn’t be too big of an effort.
Sorry no string tension measurer than racquet tune.
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