I can’t help but think his disqualification was more based on reputation and previous behavior than what actually happened on court.
As I am reading the news, Fognini was defaulted yesterday, for apparently swearing at a line judge.
Apparently there is no video footage of the moment.
What's your opinion folks?
Why can't the linespeople get defaulted? They did the mistake...
Why should the players always suffer a penalty when they get mad at what could be a crucial mistake on a set/break point?
This culture has to stop.
If an umpire or linesperson called a player a farking *****, I not only believe they'd be removed from the match .. but the whole sport.
So you're right, it is slightly inequitable.
I don’t know. I was watching this match on a stream from Romania. There has to be video of it somewhere, it was being filmed.Why is there no video?
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I have no doubt that the Italian's mouth got him out of the tournament in Spain but I would not discount his reputation that clouded the officials' minds there. On top of that, I sense the worries of Spaniards that their star player Rafa has also had tough time with Fognini before. Having Fabio out of the picture, there are fewer warriors to worry about. All in all, few play by the book nowadays, and doublestandards only make it worse or easier for the ones who wish to influence outcomes.He was given a warning first but he continued to swear at a line judge. That does not seem to be because of his reputation but the officials just following the rulebook.
I have no doubt that the Italian's mouth got him out of the tournament in Spain but I would not discount his reputation that clouded the officials' minds there. On top of that, I sense the worries of Spaniards that their star player Rafa has also had tough time with Fognini before. Having Fabio out of the picture, there are fewer warriors to worry about. All in all, few play by the book nowadays, and doublestandards only make it worse or easier for the ones who wish to influence outcomes.
So officials in tennis are "too professional" but typical TTW posters are not? I get your view on the Fognini match and the officials' decision but .... Sometimes, it's not about what you say but how you say itI don't think it had anything to do with it at all. I believe the officials are too professional to be influenced like that. At least I hope none of them are anything like typical TTW posters lol
Why can't the linespeople get defaulted?
Time for a little hyperbole nonsense. The "history of a sport forever" is an especially absurd flourish.A bad decision from umpire/refree can change a player's career or even the history of a sport forever but they never suffer anything.
Disqualifying a player is a very harsh measure that should be taken only when the reasons are extremely obvious. The fact that it's still not clear what happened is, in my opinion, enough to know that they were wrong.
Fabio a warrior?Having Fabio out of the picture, there are fewer warriors to worry about
Hasn't he kicked Nadal's arse on clay before? Doesn't that matter more than anything else right now?Fabio a warrior?
So acting like a spoiled brat prone to tanking and tantrums is what a warrior is now?
Wonder how Fognini would react if a line judge/referee calls him a ****ing idiot everytime he hits a forehand wide.
If a player insults/attacks officials/referees, disqualification is the only correct decision.
Then it should happen every time. If it doesn't, rules are not equally applied, hence unfair. Very recently Tsitsipas told an umpire he was a disgrace and nothing happened. I don't think he even got a warning. Serena called the umpire a thief at her last USO final, and it had no consequences.Wonder how Fognini would react if a line judge/referee calls him a ****ing idiot everytime he hits a forehand wide.
If a player insults/attacks officials/referees, disqualification is the only correct decision.
Fair enough. Then what's needed is more transparency in the sport, so that fans know what happened. Them hiding the details of the incident can lead to people thinking they want to hide something,It was obviously clear to the umpire and supervisor.
A bad decision from umpire/refree can change a player's career or even the history of a sport forever but they never suffer anything.
Anyone who follow football must remember the match between Italy and Korea at World Cup 2002. The refree did everything to ensure Korea could beat Italy he and he suceeded. A disgrace to the sport. He never gets any penalty from FIFA.
Fair enough. Then what's needed is more transparency in the sport, so that fans know what happened. Them hiding the details of the incident can lead to people thinking they want to hide something,
How about Serena vs Capriati? That was the turning point in making the hawk eye official:you mean something like making a difference between letting someone to win 73 GS consecutively to making that player remain an unknown amateur?
could you throw some real cases where calling a wrong decision actually made such difference?
I can't tell the difference tbh.You can dress a grubby pig in Armani, but he's still what he is.
I can’t help but think his disqualification was more based on reputation and previous behavior than what actually happened on court.
I don’t even like the guy, but I’m just commenting on the seeming lack of video footage and info about what and how it exactly happened. It seems to me that whatever he said, he was muttering it to himself rather than openly directing it at someone.Of course, if you are a tool all the time people, included even the most reputable umps and refs can get sick of it. Heck, Fed and other higher profile players have had cursing slips, but they are very few and far between.
Oh, and the first part was supposedly calling the ref an SOB, though I haven't heard about other comments from the Fog.
How about Serena vs Capriati? That was the turning point in making the hawk eye official:
https://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/11/2004-mariana-alves-missed-call-ushers-hawk-eye/56853/
https://www.si.com/tennis/2015/11/11/history-of-hawk-eye-tennis-umpiring
I'm not saying they went on to becoming a journeywoma. I'm saying it changed the history of the sport, as it was mostly due to this match that hawk-eye was implemented.which of them turned to become a journeywoman after that wrong decision? instead of marching on and sweeping all major titles
I'm not saying they went on to becoming a journeywoma. I'm saying it changed the history of the sport, as it was mostly due to this match that hawk-eye was implemented.
Also, if not for those bad calls, Serena might have won, having a total of 24, which seems to be her goal now.
In that match with Serena it was 5 consecutive bad calls that gave Capriati a game that Serena had won. Sure, every moment changes history, but there are turning points, defining moments, and that was one. It doesn't have to be either big3 or a completely unknown anonymous player, but it can deny a player a grand slam tournament, or the opportunity to fight for it. And that happens not only in tennis, but other sports as well. One doesn't need to be a best of all time, but can have a great run stopped by a wrong call.every moment changes the history
perhaps if you wouldn't spend this moment in time answering my post, you would have made a great discovery, perhaps even something that would save humanity from covid, but here we are
if someone can consistently hit the ball above the net and make it land within the necessary lines, one bad call won't make a difference between becoming one of the Big 3 or going broke to sleep under the bridge
In that match with Serena it was 5 consecutive bad calls that gave Capriati a game that Serena had won. Sure, every moment changes history, but there are turning points, defining moments, and that was one. It doesn't have to be either big3 or a completely unknown anonymous player, but it can deny a player a grand slam tournament, or the opportunity to fight for it. And that happens not only in tennis, but other sports as well. One doesn't need to be a best of all time, but can have a great run stopped by a wrong call.
Agreed on olympic games. I was actually thinking on a specific case in a fencing olympic eventand yet Serena proceeded to claim quite a bit, didn't she?
which just proves my point that if one person / team is good at something, they'll get to where they deserve
it's one thing to claim this about a tournament that is played once every 4 years, like Olympic Games, World Cup, and another thing about tennis tournaments that are played week in, week out, every year
what do you think will happen if Novak loses his ranking tomorrow and can play only quallies to Futures level tournaments? I'll tell you what happens, in 6 months he'll be back to ATP level
and we actually know at least 1 case of penalties introduced against an umpire who had the balls to try to force a very humble, but injured person playing tennis, to follow the rules
but nothing happened when the humble person accused an umpire for not liking 'intelligent tennis'
so yeah, @14OuncesStrung players and umpires / linesmen are not in the same position
Why can't the linespeople get defaulted? They did the mistake...
Why should the players always suffer a penalty when they get mad at what could be a crucial mistake on a set/break point?
This culture has to stop.
I'm just curious why it went straight to default. He apparently already had a warning, but wouldn't the next step for a code violation be a point penalty?