Fused Federer vs. Fused Nadal vs. Fused Djokovic

[Devin]

I thought I'd put a twist on a common thread. How well would these people fare against each other assuming each of Federer's, Nadal's, and Djokovic's aspects to their games at its best year(s) is fused into three players representing each of them? Sorry if this is hard to understand.

The surfaces:

Australian Open (Rebound Ace, Plexicushion from 2008-2016, and Plexicushion 2017-present)
French Open
Wimbledon
US Open

Fused Federer (He can use the 90 or 97 sq. inch racquet, whatever he wants to use...*):

Serve: 2015
Forehand: 2004 or 2005 (US Open 2004 comes to mind)
Topspin Backhand: 2017 (though his angles were better in 2006, hmm... YEC 2006 F comes to mind too)
Sliced Backhand: 2004 or 2007
Return of Serve: 2006
Footwork/Speed: 2004
Volleys: 2003 or 2014

* I don't know if Federer could get away with that liquid whip motion on his forehand with a bigger racquet (maybe he could, idk, it would definitely bring his GOAT forehand to a new level of GOATness). He could use something in between 90 and 97 sq. inches, but who knows?

Fused Nadal:

Serve: US Open 2010
Forehand: US Open 2013
Overall Backhand: 2008-Early 2009
Return of Serve: Hard to say, he usually stands so far back, US Open 2013 maybe...? *
Footwork/Speed: 2005?
Volleys: Doesn't really matter with a player like him since he's a relatively safe/conservative when it comes to net approaching

* I'm not going to look at stats here because during some of those years, a significant fraction of the matches he played were on clay, which would inflate the number.

Fused Djokovic:

Serve: 2015
Forehand: 2011
Topspin Backhand: 2011
Sliced Backhand: 2015? (He doesn't use it much though)
Return of Serve: 2011
Footwork/Speed: 2011? (His flexibility may have gotten better later, I need to look more into this)
Volleys: 2015

Check the poll too, although I know Federer will win it.

 

[metsman]

Nadal wins on clay, but I can't see Federer losing a majority anywhere else. He'd be damn near impossible to break with his old man serve and young man forehand and his return would be a major weapon too if he would be coming over 2nd serve returns instead of slicing them.

 

[TripleATeam]

In terms of game smarts, almost no one will ever outclass Federer. That's how he has 18 slams. He mastered a few strokes, then bettered those that were his weakness so that by 2017 he is a completely different player than 2006.

And frankly, Djokovic fused isn't that far removed from 2015 Djoker...

 

[FiReFTW]

RG-Nadal
AO-Federer
USO-Federer
W-Federer

Federer is just too good with his 2015 serve and his 2005 groundstrokes.

Think about it, his serve was nowhere near as good in 2005, yet he destroyed the competition and won countless slams with his amazing groundstroke game.

In 2015 his groundstrokes were FAR worse than even 2012, yet alone 2005, yet he was nr2 and contended even with Djokovic who had an amazing season and could even beat him from time to time because his serve was such a weapon.

Combine those two together and you really have someone who almost can't be beat unless he chokes hard.

 

[KINGROGER]

Nadal on clay, Federer everywhere else.

Djokovic if anywhere would take Miami.

 

[MasturB]

RG-Nadal
AO-Federer
USO-Federer
W-Federer

Federer is just too good with his 2015 serve and his 2005 groundstrokes.

Think about it, his serve was nowhere near as good in 2005, yet he destroyed the competition and won countless slams with his amazing groundstroke game.

In 2015 his groundstrokes were FAR worse than even 2012, yet alone 2005, yet he was nr2 and contended even with Djokovic who had an amazing season and could even beat him from time to time because his serve was such a weapon.

Combine those two together and you really have someone who almost can't be beat unless he chokes hard.

I honestly prefer his 2006 strokes. A lot less takeback and more easy power. But you couldn't go wrong with 2005. 2004 his forehand was just wild. Wild as in he took big wind ups like he was going for outright winners. I also think his 2006 backhand is better than 2005.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

A fused Federer, in the way you describe would be virtually impossible to beat on non clay surfaces. With that forehand at its peak, serving at its peak and that new topspin crushing backhand, plus his much better net game.

 

[Standaa]

I can't imagine what would it would take to beat this Federer on non clay surfaces.

 

[Waspsting]

Nadal with a huge serve would take the biggest stride forward, I think

In fact, that was my first thought watching US Open 2010.. this guy's a handful just rolling the serve in, what the hell's he going to be like serving like that?

Wonder why he stopped - almost immediately

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Federer has always had a good serve - don't think the fusion there would make much difference

Putting this current backhand in place with say, his 2004-06 game... that's a pretty scary thought. It'd make him better than even he's ever been but not as much as adding a standard 130 miles an hour serve to Nadal, in my opinion

Djokovic is a pretty "fused" player to begin with - he'd change the least, which is another way of saying he has the most well rounded game of the 3

 

[Sysyphus]

Djokovic 2015, don't really have to fuse him with anything.

Let's see if peak Federer can surpass that level at least on the fast(er) courts this year.

 

[TheAssassin]

Nadal on clay, Federer everywhere else.

Djokovic if anywhere would take Miami.

And plexi Australia, Canada, Paris, debatable for Indian Wells and London WTF.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Nadal on clay, Federer everywhere else.

End of thread, nothing left to say.

 

[6august]

Once again, where's mental and tactics???

Wilanders had no extraordinary shot but still managed to win 7 Slams, more than Becker, Edberg... and equal to Mc Enroe.

Lucky? Coincidence?

 

[6august]

I thought I'd put a twist on a common thread. How well would these people fare against each other assuming each of Federer's, Nadal's, and Djokovic's aspects to their games at its best year(s) is fused into three players representing each of them? Sorry if this is hard to understand.

The surfaces:

Australian Open (Rebound Ace, Plexicushion from 2008-2016, and Plexicushion 2017-present)
French Open
Wimbledon
US Open

Fused Federer (He can use the 90 or 97 sq. inch racquet, whatever he wants to use...*):

Serve: 2015
Forehand: 2004 or 2005 (US Open 2004 comes to mind)
Topspin Backhand: 2017 (though his angles were better in 2006, hmm... YEC 2006 F comes to mind too)
Sliced Backhand: 2004 or 2007
Return of Serve: 2006
Footwork/Speed: 2004
Volleys: 2003 or 2014

* I don't know if Federer could get away with that liquid whip motion on his forehand with a bigger racquet (maybe he could, idk, it would definitely bring his GOAT forehand to a new level of GOATness). He could use something in between 90 and 97 sq. inches, but who knows?

Fused Nadal:

Serve: US Open 2010
Forehand: US Open 2013
Overall Backhand: 2008-Early 2009
Return of Serve: Hard to say, he usually stands so far back, US Open 2013 maybe...? *
Footwork/Speed: 2005?
Volleys: Doesn't really matter with a player like him since he's a relatively safe/conservative when it comes to net approaching

* I'm not going to look at stats here because during some of those years, a significant fraction of the matches he played were on clay, which would inflate the number.

Fused Djokovic:

Serve: 2015
Forehand: 2011
Topspin Backhand: 2011
Sliced Backhand: 2015? (He doesn't use it much though)
Return of Serve: 2011
Footwork/Speed: 2011? (His flexibility may have gotten better later, I need to look more into this)
Volleys: 2015

Check the poll too, although I know Federer will win it.

Fed wins every poll, even which ATP player is the most handsome or which one has the best WAG.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokovic 2015, don't really have to fuse him with anything.

Let's see if peak Federer can surpass that level at least on the fast(er) courts this year.

He was fused with a weak era

 

[KINGROGER]

And plexi Australia, Canada, Paris, debatable for Indian Wells and London WTF.

I'd put Plexi as 50/50 at best tbh. 09-10 Fed level was really high, add in peak movement/ground game + Grandpa's serve?

Other than that Canada is most similar to Cincy so Fed wins there. Paris once it turned into a slow HC - Djokovic. When it was fast? Federer. Same with WTF really. They slowed it down around 2012 so Djokovic there but 2003 - 2007 were lightning quick so Fed would win there.

 

[TheAssassin]

I'd put Plexi as 50/50 at best tbh. 09-10 Fed level was really high, add in peak movement/ground game + Grandpa's serve?

Other than that Canada is most similar to Cincy so Fed wins there. Paris once it turned into a slow HC - Djokovic. When it was fast? Federer. Same with WTF really. They slowed it down around 2012 so Djokovic there but 2003 - 2007 were lightning quick so Fed would win there.

Djokovic is clearly better on plexi. It's tough to explain the contrast in both Fed's and Novak's results in Canada and Cincy then if they are so similar. Federer's only Paris win was on a slower surface actually, he wasn't impressive outside of that one year at all. As for WTF, I did say London which is a slower surface. Of course Federer would be a clear favorite in Shanghai and Houston.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Black Goku/Zamasu fusion beats all 3 easy.

 

[Tennisanity]

I thought Yugioh was the best

 

[KINGROGER]

Djokovic is clearly better on plexi. It's tough to explain the contrast in both Fed's and Novak's results in Canada and Cincy then if they are so similar. Federer's only Paris win was on a slower surface actually, he wasn't impressive outside of that one year at all. As for WTF, I did say London which is a slower surface. Of course Federer would be a clear favorite in Shanghai and Houston.

I can't agree to that when I saw how electric Fed was on plexi in 09-10. Djokovic has 4 extra titles but in terms of peak level 50/50 at best.

Federer hardly even played Paris during his peak. He should've won when it was fast in 2010 but was past his prime so choked vs Monfils.

As for Canada, he used to alternate between it and Cincy due to them being so close together. As for peak level the surface clearly suits Federer better despite the choke job in 2007.

London WTF again look at their H2H their it is very close and that's when Fed was well past his prime.

 

[TheAssassin]

I can't agree to that when I saw how electric Fed was on plexi in 09-10. Djokovic has 4 extra titles but in terms of peak level 50/50 at best.

Federer hardly even played Paris during his peak. He should've won when it was fast in 2010 but was past his prime so choked vs Monfils.

As for Canada, he used to alternate between it and Cincy due to them being so close together. As for peak level the surface clearly suits Federer better despite the choke job in 2007.

London WTF again look at their H2H their it is very close and that's when Fed was well past his prime.

Oh please, did you watch Djokovic during the years he won? If Fed was electric in 09-10 we need a whole new word to describe Djokovic.

Then how can you so easily give the edge to Federer in Paris when he rarely even played there during his peak while never winning when he did show up?

He did alternate but still, clearly better in Cincy. Opposite for Novak. Shouldn't compare the two tournaments.

Fed only delivered a stinker in the 2015 final while being a very good competitor in all other WTF encounters. Can't use the past his prime excuse for every loss that happened in the last 7-8 years man. That's just not the way to go.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Oh please, did you watch Djokovic during the years he won? If Fed was electric in 09-10 we need a whole new word to describe Djokovic.

What word would that be? Enlighten us, please.

 

[TheAssassin]

What word would that be? Enlighten us, please.

I don't know. Spectacular, insane, out of this world... Just don't give us another speech how Djokovic's fanbase irritates you because I was just stating what everyone knows, that Novak is the best player Australian Open ever had.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Fused Fed would win using a 50p store second-hand cricket bat.

Fused Sampras wearing one of Nadal's old shirts and swinging a Head racquet. How does he do?

 

[KINGROGER]

Oh please, did you watch Djokovic during the years he won? If Fed was electric in 09-10 we need a whole new word to describe Djokovic.

Then how can you so easily give the edge to Federer in Paris when he rarely even played there during his peak while never winning when he did show up?

He did alternate but still, clearly better in Cincy. Opposite for Novak. Shouldn't compare the two tournaments.

Fed only delivered a stinker in the 2015 final while being a very good competitor in all other WTF encounters. Can't use the past his prime excuse for every loss that happened in the last 7-8 years man. That's just not the way to go.

He rarely played Paris but would've won it if he had played it in 04-06 as the fast surface suits his game. I made the distinction here.

As for Djokovic at AO, machine lIke is how I would describe him. Federer in 09-10 was the opposite, more flair, electric. And I wouldn't say it's quite clear either. For peak level Federer is there too. He's only won 1 less AO too.

Didn't Fed beat Djokovic in WTF 2010-2011 and 2015? Lost in 2012, 2013, 2015. Looks like 3-3 so no edge there either.

Anyway I'm basing this on the thread premise. 04-06 Fed + 14-15 serve/net game + 17 BH /returns / aggression would be unstoppable.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Federer is the best attacker with the biggest strengths of the three. A "fused" Federer with every element of his game at is historic peak would also have much stronger weaknesses and great mentality, which would make exposing him almost impossible.

Nadal takes MC, Rome and RG. Djokovic takes slow-medium AO, Miami and slow Paris. One of them also takes Canada. Federer takes everything else: medium-fast AO, IW, altitude "fast" Hamburg/Madrid, Wimbledon, Cincinnati, USO, medium-fast Madrid/Shanghai, fast Paris (like e.g. 2010), YEC.

 

[metsman]

Federer is the best attacker with the biggest strengths of the three. A "fused" Federer with every element of his game at is historic peak would also have much stronger weaknesses and great mentality, which would make exposing him almost impossible.

Nadal takes MC, Rome and RG. Djokovic takes slow-medium AO, Miami and slow Paris. One of them also takes Canada. Federer takes everything else: medium-fast AO, IW, altitude "fast" Hamburg/Madrid, Wimbledon, Cincinnati, USO, medium-fast Madrid/Shanghai, fast Paris (like e.g. 2010), YEC.

I doubt Djokovic is beating this version of Federer at AO.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

In these fused v. fused battles, would rematches feature the "refused"?

 

[6august]

Safin beat peak Fed at AO
Soderling beat peak Nadal at FO

Some of you still doubt it, too?

 

[6august]

 

[mika1979]

Easily Nole 2011 nobody has reached that

 

[mike danny]

The best fusions:

Federer with his 2005 FH, explosiveness and movements, combined with his 2017 BH, combined with his 2015 serve and net play.

Nadal with his 2010 USO serve, combined with his 2008 speed, combined with his 2013 FH, combined with his 2017 BH.

It's hard to find something for Djokovic. He always seemed the same to me. If I were to try something, I would try combining his 2015 serve with his 2011 ground game with his 2007 agressiveness.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I actually think a Fused Murray would be unbeatable. His best strokes and athleticism have unfortunately peaked at various parts of his career, but if combined together, he is nigh unplayable ( see vs. Nadal 2011 Tokyo)

The Scotsman at his best would simply be too much on clay and hards, although fortunately for the rest of the tour, he can rarely get his act together.

Perhaps fused Federer could steal a Wimbledon in such a scenario, perhaps not.

 

[mike danny]

I actually think a Fused Murray would be unbeatable. His best strokes and athleticism have unfortunately peaked at various parts of his career, but if combined together, he is nigh unplayable ( see vs. Nadal 2011 Tokyo)

The Scotsman at his best would simply be too much on clay and hards, although fortunately for the rest of the tour, he can rarely get his act together.

Perhaps fused Federer could steal a Wimbledon in such a scenario, perhaps not.

See, I can't really fuse many versions of him. He has always seemed the same to me in terms of playing style.

I would probably combine his 2012 aggressiveness with his 2016 defense.

There is no version that bas a great second serve unfortunately.

 

[K-H]

The best fusions:

Federer with his 2005 FH, explosiveness and movements, combined with his 2017 BH, combined with his 2015 serve and net play.

Nadal with his 2010 USO serve, combined with his 2008 speed, combined with his 2013 FH, combined with his 2017 BH.

It's hard to find something for Djokovic. He always seemed the same to me. If I were to try something, I would try combining his 2015 serve with his 2011 ground game with his 2007 agressiveness.

That seems quite accurate tbh. But in 2010 Nadal hit his backhand pretty well also.