Conchita fully deserves to be in the HOF. Even if you want to state that her playing career is weak, you have to take into account her contributions to the game since. She has been a coach for several players (including coaching Garbine Muguruza during her run to her Wimbledon title). She also was the captain of both Spain's Fed and Davis Cup Teams, I believe at the same time actually. She has done commentary and I think was also a tournament director. she has more than contributed to the game in addition to her playing career and fully deserves to be in the HOF.
As for the bar for the HOF...well....Sabatini and Roddick are in. How much different should it be...Change it when you have them in and it looks unfair. Are you proposing to kick them both out?
There might be some years in the future when nobody gets in.
Once they've exhausted all the retired Slam champions they may have to wait some years until the current crop of Slam champions start to retire.
They're working too hard to "legitimize" tennis. I don't think any other countries give a hoot in hell about the ITHOF. They appear to have a list of candidates who are "eligible" should no one else be available. I think the whole blazer thing and parade around the court is funny.
The players and the fans enjoy it and that's all that counts.
I do think people like Kafelnikov and Hewitt are my minimum bar. Either a 2 slam winner and former #1 in singles who also has numerous doubles slams, or a 2 slam winner who spent a lot of time at #1 in singles (Hewitt).
People like Sabatini, Roddick, Chang, Novotna, Sukova, would not get into my Hall of Fame. Wawrinka might eke in due to his 3 slams but even he is borderline and given his lack of other achievements might miss too. Of course in the real Hall of Fame standards he is already a lock.
I would agree with all of this except I would offer some defense of Novotna. Her singles career was sort of disappointing in that she choked away some big chances for additional majors. That and she never looked close to being number 1.
However in doubles she won 12 womens doubles titles at the majors (at least 2 of each major). in 1990 and 1998 she won 3 of the 4 majors in womens doubles. She contested the womens doubles final of every major in 1990 and 1991. 76 overall doubles titles and got to #1. In 1998 she missed the Calendar year major in doubles as she didn't play the 1998 AO. She failed in 1990 to do it when her and Sukova lost the USO final to Navratilova and Fernandez.
I would argue her doubles career is one of the best of the last 30 years. That should fit her in comfortably.
Also Sukova won 14 majors in Doubles/Mixed doubles...so she deserves to be there as well. The HOF is not all about singles.
OK fair enough. I still would not have Sabatini, Roddick, Chang, Noah, Pierce, even Mauresmo, and many others in my Hall of Fame though. They might merit it under the current standards, but I think the current standards need to be bumped up a bit.
They need to think outside the box. For example: put Agassi in again but this time long haired Agassi. Or wood racket Johnny Mac. Pre working out Martina.
Yes. I'm not sure why 2 and 3 people are going in most years. There just aren't that many people that deserve HOF status in my opinion. I wasn't overly impressed with this year's class nor with next year's nominees.
There were many years when NO ONE deserved to be in the HOF.There might be some years in the future when nobody gets in.
Except Blake, Gonzalez and Baghdatis.There were many years when NO ONE deserved to be in the HOF.
YE1, a slam, four finales, a bunch of M1000s (not everyone can win 25), lengthy top 10 career, beat everyone (despite pathetic H2H vs RF).As a male singles player you should have at least two slams or a load of Masters 1000 and WTF. For me Roddick is iffy.
Sabatini and Roddick are an order of magnitude more famous than Martinez.Conchita fully deserves to be in the HOF. Even if you want to state that her playing career is weak, you have to take into account her contributions to the game since. She has been a coach for several players (including coaching Garbine Muguruza during her run to her Wimbledon title). She also was the captain of both Spain's Fed and Davis Cup Teams, I believe at the same time actually. She has done commentary and I think was also a tournament director. she has more than contributed to the game in addition to her playing career and fully deserves to be in the HOF.
As for the bar for the HOF...well....Sabatini and Roddick are in. How much different should it be...Change it when you have them in and it looks unfair. Are you proposing to kick them both out?
candidate, yes, but to get in, no.YE1, a slam, four finales, a bunch of M1000s (not everyone can win 25), lengthy top 10 career, beat everyone (despite pathetic H2H vs RF).
Easy candidate.
Clinched it by signing up BD to his team.candidate, yes, but to get in, no.
So using your standards we have 5 people there per century?candidate, yes, but to get in, no.
noSo using your standards we have 5 people there per century?
at least Pierce one more than one slamRoddick, Noah, Chang and Sabatini I can see the point
Pierce is is borderline
Mauresmo...well again I contest especially in light of her post retirement contributions in the form of coaching. She assisted Murray in improving on clay and coached Bartoli to her Wimbledon title. Bartoli actually credits Mauresmo for her success there. Pouille while working with her made the SF of the AO, a tournament where before he hadn't done, well, squat.
She also at different points captained both Frances Fed and Davis cup Teams.
I say, that HoF should not be announced every year, but one every five years, for example.