AceSalvo
Legend
Would have helped, but my message about the "Live ATP Ranking" still stands true though.
Here's how Lord Fedr can take over no.1 directly from Murray after Cincy 2017
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Would have helped, but my message about the "Live ATP Ranking" still stands true though.
falstaff78
Hall of Fame
Lets check here http://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-live-ranking on Monday, shall we?
We could do that. Or we could just look at the live rankings and use a bit of common sense:
Murray 7750
Nadal 7555
Federer max 7545
Sereger
Hall of Fame
And you told me to read again whereas my post had clearly said " official ranking"?
AceSalvo
Legend
AceSalvo
Legend
And in my post you replied to, I didnt have the word "official". Did you catch that?
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Ace, cool it a bit, there's no need to get heated over such a simple matter.
Some people think, like I do, that the points drop next week. You think they drop this week. That's fine. We'll wait and see- it's simple enough.
AceSalvo
Legend
He pointed the finger first, with "official".
Heated?? where.. what..???
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...be-the-provisional-number-1-on-monday.596523/
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Doesn't matter. I'm ending this.He pointed the finger first, with "official".
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...be-the-provisional-number-1-on-monday.596523/
The drop date says the 21st. Sorry to say it, but you were wrong, Salvo.
Federer will need to wait a week to be #1 should he win Montreal.
AceSalvo
Legend
Doesn't matter. I'm ending this.
The drop date says the 21st. Sorry to say it, but you were wrong, Salvo.
Federer will need to wait a week to be #1 should he win Montreal.
Let me throw another bone.
Fed just needs 461 points to be #1.
I am waiting for "those" dogs to bite. Lets see if they dare to! Cmon cmon wherever you are!
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
You're embarrassing yourself.
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
You didn't have to. Only the official rankings matter. The others are there to follow, understand, and predict the official rankings. That Federer is ranked #1 on some rankings list at some arbitrary point of time means jacksh-t in the scheme of things.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Even if Nadal goes to number 1 nobody believes he is the best when King Fedor has won two slams this year-beating him in the final of one of them.
AceSalvo
Legend
I didn't know you followed jack$hit!
Now boohoo. I care more about the "Live ATP Ranking". You got a problem with that??
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
No, I don't have a problem with you caring about anything. You could care about random dog poo on the curb for all I care. But don't expect anybody else to care about the meaningless crap you care about.
falstaff78
Hall of Fame
Lets check here http://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-live-ranking on Monday, shall we?
@The_18th_Slam @TripleATeam @AceSalvo
Dude
The issue seems to be when Murray's 600 points and Nadal's 90 points from Cincy 2016 will fall off.
If, as you say, they fall off on 14th august, then Murray will be left with 7100 points. Which means Nadal has already taken the number 1 spot, unless Federer wins Montreal.
How come there has been ZERO mention of this in a SINGLE news article?????
No.
In fact these points drop off on 21st august, as you can CLEARLY see from the chart below.
Which is why, according to the link that you shared, Murray has 7750, Nadal has 7555 which is 90 more than he had on 7th august, and Federer's Max is 7545.
Just admit you're wrong man. It's ok.
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AceSalvo
Legend
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
So you're repeating meaningless drivel knowing full well it means jacksh-t? My mistake, carry well on.
Who is "they"? Your imaginary friends?
AceSalvo
Legend
cmon @falstaff78, you are smarter than this.
I was only talking about the Live ATP Ranking and the ATP Race.
yes, I did admit to messing up the Official ATP ranking.
My point is, Fed lost a week of #1 just because someone decided it should be dropped on the 21st. Sleep well.
falstaff78
Hall of Fame
Oh sorry missed that. Ok I think we are agreed then.
Yeah this happens every seven years because of the week change
AceSalvo
Legend
You can find "them" if you can remember all the replies to my post.
Really, you forgot reading them so fast??
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
I don't see why I was mentioned, but okay.@The_18th_Slam @TripleATeam @AceSalvo
Dude
The issue seems to be when Murray's 600 points and Nadal's 90 points from Cincy 2016 will fall off.
If, as you say, they fall off on 14th august, then Murray will be left with 7100 points. Which means Nadal has already taken the number 1 spot, unless Federer wins Montreal.
How come there has been ZERO mention of this in a SINGLE news article?????
No.
In fact these points drop off on 21st august, as you can CLEARLY see from the chart below.
Which is why, according to the link that you shared, Murray has 7750, Nadal has 7555 which is 90 more than he had on 7th august, and Federer's Max is 7545.
Just admit you're wrong man. It's ok.
falstaff78
Hall of Fame
Just because you were part of ongoing discussion
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
How does one forget reading something so fast? What does that even entail?
AceSalvo
Legend
Thats upto you to explain why you forget reading them so easily.
Mr Feeny
Hall of Fame
What's with you guys lol. You're discussing sometjing completely meaningless. Who cares when the points fall off?
Either of you could have been off. It's not a huge mistake and hardly an issue worth wasting a post about. Just kick back and watch the rest of the tournament. We'll find out when they fall off within a week. Although, it seems that one of the resident posters has already shown that's it's the 21st of August.
Either of you could have been off. It's not a huge mistake and hardly an issue worth wasting a post about. Just kick back and watch the rest of the tournament. We'll find out when they fall off within a week. Although, it seems that one of the resident posters has already shown that's it's the 21st of August.
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
I don't get this. Points normally drop on the Monday after the tournament, assuming the tournament is held in the same week as the previous year. Of course, there are exceptions (e.g., Rogers cup this year because of Olympics, Wimbledon when they moved it etc).
This year, the Cincinnati points are dropping off on the Monday after the tournament, i.e. on the same day as the new ranking points are added. This is August 21.
So, as far as I can tell, what is happening at Cincinnati this year is not an anomaly, but rather what usually happens. What am I missing?
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
We already know when they fall off. It's not some great mystery. It says it on the rankings breakdown on the ATP website for anyone who bothers to check.
Fed will be ahead in the race if he wins Montreal. In this case he will go into the "live rankings" during the Cincinnati week ahead of Nadal. These are not entirely meaningless, because they tell us what he needs to do in order to get to the actual #1 ranking.
However, the thing that actually matters is whether he gets to #1 in the actual race. Just like nobody (ok, not very many people) will actually care in years to come that Nadal has been leading the race since RG, if he ends up never making it to the actual #1 ranking.
Surely all of these points are beyond debate. What is the argument about??
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
Everyone lost their Montreal points earlier, because Montreal was held earlier last year. Cincinnati was not, so Cincinnati points drop after the tournament, like usual.
Ranking points last for 52 weeks, no matter when the tournament is held next (apart from the tour finals). Can't remember if there was ever a case where a tournament was brought forward, and whether players then had ranking points for both the tournament and the previous year's edition. I have a feeling this has happened. (Almost surely would have happened when Madrid moved from fall on HC to spring on clay, in 2009.)
underground
G.O.A.T.
Oh god why is this even a debate? Cinci points drop on 21st August. Fact.
The so called "live ATP rankings" track a players point progress during a week, so that the real rankings reflect this standing on the Monday after if results were as it is at that moment.
The so called "live ATP rankings" track a players point progress during a week, so that the real rankings reflect this standing on the Monday after if results were as it is at that moment.
I'm wracking my brain because I'm sure it happened, and I'm trying to remember who it was. The name that pops to mind is Marcelo Rios, but that doesn't seem right looking at his title history. Was it perhaps Thomas Muster? My memory is that it did happen, and that it was mid to late 90s.
falstaff78
Hall of Fame
If Lord Fedr reaches the final of Canada then the number 1 ranking is on his racquet.
In other words, regardless of what Nadal does at Cincy, Fedr will be number 1 if he wins Cincy.
On the other hand if Lord Fedr loses to Haase in the semis, then Nadal guarantees number 1 by reaching the final of Cincy, even if Lord Fedr beats him there!
In other words, regardless of what Nadal does at Cincy, Fedr will be number 1 if he wins Cincy.
On the other hand if Lord Fedr loses to Haase in the semis, then Nadal guarantees number 1 by reaching the final of Cincy, even if Lord Fedr beats him there!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I know stranger things have happened but it's a bit hard envisioning Nadal outdoing Fed at Cincy, which is Fed's absolute pet event. Nadal needs some divine intervention here.
Feather
Legend
I was really sad after Rafa lost in third round. I actually wanted him to be number one. He had an awesome clay season. He came back like a phoenix rising from the ashes, from a guy who was totally written off by many in 2015 to winning a Major again and it would have been poetic justice if he had gotten number one ranking too! I like to see hard work being rewarded.
I wanted Rafa to take number one from Andy Murray and Roger Federer to be year end number one. Of course, I am a Roger Federer fan
I really wanted Rafa to be number one on Aug 14th
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
I have a bad habit of forgetting things that never happened.
AceSalvo
Legend
Oh sure.
Just like your inability to read!
Try to complete the task I gave you about finding how many replies I got from my "imaginary friends".
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
Hey, I pride myself on my inability to read drivel such as your posts!
AceSalvo
Legend
And I pride myself to keep teaching nincompoops such as you about how to find stuff you think are "imaginary".
Oh and I am glad OP understood my drivel. See, you are doing a much worse job even at that. Sad!
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
He agreed with you on the live rankings. My point is that the live rankings are meaningless in the scheme of things. Maybe, one day, when you manage to dislodge your head from your behind, you'll understand what I'm saying and hang your brown head in shame.
AceSalvo
Legend
Dont tell other's to do stuff you do as a hobby. This would explain why you cant "remember" what you read and keep talking about "imaginary" things.
My point is, I was right about Fed getting to #1 on Monday.
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
Your terrible English explains why you're acting like an idiot and can't understand the simplest of things.
And my point is that nobody cares about the thing you were right about.
AceSalvo
Legend
ooo.. Now I have to be worried about the Grammar police, NOT. Having to "remember" stuff is pretty "simple" too. Oh wait, maybe I could be wrong here.
As long as I get the likes of you to reply, I think I am doing something right.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
i dont even know wtf you guys are talking about but comments criticizing people's english and equating it to lack of intelligence is so gross and discriminatory, i don't even know where to start
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
i'm so lost, fed fanboys are insane
AceSalvo
Legend
"Bear Hug"
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
Not being a grammar police. I'm saying your poor English could be the reason you're not grasping a simple point made in English.
Yes, you're doing "being an idiot" right.
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
Then don't. Problem solved.
AceSalvo
Legend
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
I quoted you fine. Maybe you were too befuddled with how capitalization works to realize.
AceSalvo
Legend
Its up to me to emphasize what I should capitalize in order to catch your attention. It worked.
Its funny you couldn't even follow what you were trying to do when you were replying in a hurry. Happens to all "Idiots".
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