How do Fed fans feel about Djokers resurgence? Saving Rogers slam lead but have to worry about Novak now.

[Rafa24]

It all started last year when Rafa was one point from making the final at Wimbledon and ultimately lost. And he was steamrolling the entire AO field and the only thing that stopped him was ultron djoker. Amazing how many people were calling for Djoker to retire after he was abysmal and he started last year like 8-8 or something and then turned it up and won 3 straight slams.

Without Djokers resurgence Rafa wins wimby 18 and ao 19 and he is tied with Roger at 20. Are you guys happy Djoker won those or worried he will ultimately pass Fed?

 

[Bartelby]

Djokovic is currently far better than either Nadal or Federer. That's why he wins. And he does it for himself. His only problem is his capacity for distraction.

 

[Jonesy]

Fed fans shouldn't worry themselves, for in their hearts the GOAT will always be one and only, Laver.

 

[True Fanerer]

There's no way of knowing that he would've won the AO. Without a Djokovic resurgence Federer and Nadal would've been drawn in separate halves with different opponents.

 

[Rafa24]

Djokovic is currently far better than either Nadal or Federer. That's why he wins. And he does it for himself. His only problem is his capacity for distraction.

Djoker got his ass beat by Nadal in Rome and then lost to thiem at RG who was then thrashed by Nadal in the final. So not sure he is currently far better. It's a shame Djoker doesn't have one good player to face in route to the final so we can see his current form.

 

[True Fanerer]

Djoker got his ass beat by Nadal in Rome and then lost to thiem at RG who was then thrashed by Nadal in the final. So not sure he is currently far better. It's a shame Djoker doesn't have one good player to face in route to the final so we can see his current form.

Who cares what happened during clay season? This is Wimbledon. That is ancient history now. Djokovic definitely has the edge everywhere off of clay.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It's pretty amazing to have all three ATG's not only battling it out for the top three rankings and the top titles but battling out for history all at the same time. It is a pretty special and unique moment in sport that may never be repeated in any sport.

Re: Djoker & Nadal - DJoker has had the upper hand in the rivalry in the second half of their careers, Nadal had it in the first half. But the gap isn't as wide as it seems. There was nothing in the Wimby match last year. The AO final was an anomaly - for whatever reason, Rafa didn't show up at that final. I don't think he would have won it if he did, but it would have been much closer.

 

[Sentinel]

I like him. He's a good guy.

 

[Sentinel]

Fed fans shouldn't worry themselves, for in their hearts the GOAT will always be one and only, Laver.

Who ???

Oh that little old man who looks so lost and forlorn in the stands ? that guy ... GOAT ?

 

[Luka888]

Some people here are mixing apple and oranges. Would I like Fed to win W, yes. Is it likely ... not so sure about that. Djokovic is still THE heavy favorite.
Whoever wins is da man. We might have someone else winning W. I don't know. It's unlikely but it's possible.

 

[Jonas78]

It all started last year when Rafa was one point from making the final at Wimbledon and ultimately lost. And he was steamrolling the entire AO field and the only thing that stopped him was ultron djoker. Amazing how many people were calling for Djoker to retire after he was abysmal and he started last year like 8-8 or something and then turned it up and won 3 straight slams.

Without Djokers resurgence Rafa wins wimby 18 and ao 19 and he is tied with Roger at 20. Are you guys happy Djoker won those or worried he will ultimately pass Fed?

Is surprised i have to say this but;

You are aware Djokovic has stopped Federer from winning more slams than he has stopped Rafa?

In other words, Rafa should be glad Djoko was around.

 

[Cupcake]

Who ???

Oh that little old man who looks so lost and forlorn in the stands ? that guy ... GOAT ?

That's what people will be saying about the current candidates for GOAT in 50 years. So no matter who you think is the real GOAT, enjoy him now. In 2070 it will be:

Sampras who???
Federer who???
Nadal who???
Djokovic who???

 

[Lleytonstation]

With these next gens, I might as well start worrying about Murray too.

 

[TheIntrovert]

With these next gens, I might as well start worrying about Murray too.

I’m starting to think Laver might fancy his chances and come out of retirement looking at the the state of these muppets

 

[ChrisRF]

It all started last year when Rafa was one point from making the final at Wimbledon and ultimately lost. And he was steamrolling the entire AO field and the only thing that stopped him was ultron djoker. Amazing how many people were calling for Djoker to retire after he was abysmal and he started last year like 8-8 or something and then turned it up and won 3 straight slams.

Without Djokers resurgence Rafa wins wimby 18 and ao 19 and he is tied with Roger at 20. Are you guys happy Djoker won those or worried he will ultimately pass Fed?

What do you mean with "worrying about Novak now"? You could have asked this if Djokovic would have also won RG. Then we had to “worry” about him in the first place. But since Nadal has won it as usual, he is the main threat. 18 is way bigger than 15, and Djokovic has to repeat his last stretch from Wimbledon to Australian Open at first to be equal.

As much as I would dislike it, Nadal could very well win Wimbledon and then go for Federer’s record at any upcoming Slam. Djokovic is not in the conversation as of now, and partly due to his own disgraceful behavior and attitude in the RG SF against Thiem which robbed him of the chance to beat Nadal.

 

[Rafa24]

Is surprised i have to say this but;

You are aware Djokovic has stopped Federer from winning more slams than he has stopped Rafa?

In other words, Rafa should be glad Djoko was around.

Djoker has beat Rafa in 4 finals including 3 straight. He beat Fed in 3 straight finals and thats it. He also beat Rafa in the 1/4s of RG. Likely cost Rafa that slam. Then Wimby last year in semis. Thats 6 off the top of my head that Rafa would have won pretty much no doubt.

 

[Rafa24]

What do you mean with "worrying about Novak now"? You could have asked this if Djokovic would have also won RG. Then we had to “worry” about him in the first place. But since Nadal has won it as usual, he is the main threat. 18 is way bigger than 15, and Djokovic has to repeat his last stretch from Wimbledon to Australian Open at first to be equal.

As much as I would dislike it, Nadal could very well win Wimbledon and then go for Federer’s record at any upcoming Slam. Djokovic is not in the conversation as of now, and partly due to his own disgraceful behavior and attitude in the RG SF against Thiem which robbed him of the chance to beat Nadal.

Djoker is the favorite for wimby. Very likely will have 16 in less than 2 weeks. Fed is getting old and less likely to win. Rafa is always a match away from injury and getting older. Djoker could easily get 4-6 the next two years. There is nobody good up and coming.

 

[ChrisRF]

Djoker is the favorite for wimby. Very likely will have 16 in less than 2 weeks. Fed is getting old and less likely to win. Rafa is always a match away from injury and getting older. Djoker could easily get 4-6 the next two years. There is nobody good up and coming.

Okay, I don’t like it, but I have to admit that Federer will REALLY be too old sooner or later now. But I see Nadal as a bigger threat than Djokovic even though his injury issues, just because of Djokovic’s strange character. He can be distracted by anything, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he wastes another year of his career starting at any possible time (while Nadal taking more titles then, even off clay). And then even Djokovic won’t get younger when he comes back.

Also him winning Wimbledon this year is far more questionable than you think IMO.

 

[Technology Ruined Tennis]

Better him than the alteRNative.

 

[Deleted member 766113]

I like Djokovic more than Nadal - he's a more versatile player.

Re: Saving slam record.
Djokovic has clearly stopped Federer more times than Nadal so Djokovic has helped Nadal much more than Federer.

 

[Tennisgods]

It all started last year when Rafa was one point from making the final at Wimbledon and ultimately lost. And he was steamrolling the entire AO field and the only thing that stopped him was ultron djoker. Amazing how many people were calling for Djoker to retire after he was abysmal and he started last year like 8-8 or something and then turned it up and won 3 straight slams.

Without Djokers resurgence Rafa wins wimby 18 and ao 19 and he is tied with Roger at 20. Are you guys happy Djoker won those or worried he will ultimately pass Fed?

Fully accepted that both men are passing Fed, with something to spare too. They only have each other as rivals for the next two years at least (don’t believe anyone will step up to rival them in that time.) It’s a feast for them at this point.

Fed’s legacy is secure. He broke the mould, first to 20, set the bar for winning late in his career. Probably the most aesthetically pleasing all time great since Laver.

Djokovic and Nadal are different, Djokovic is a tennis machine, grooved through practice. Nadal has fought and fought to keep his remarkable clay dominance going. All credit to them.

For his fans (most of them anyway) Fed will always be about way more than the numbers.

 

[tennis_pro]

Too far behind Federer at the moment. When he gets to 17/18 we'll revisit.

And yes, 2/3 Slams at his age is a lot.

 

[Jonas78]

Djoker has beat Rafa in 4 finals including 3 straight. He beat Fed in 3 straight finals and thats it. He also beat Rafa in the 1/4s of RG. Likely cost Rafa that slam. Then Wimby last year in semis. Thats 6 off the top of my head that Rafa would have won pretty much no doubt.

AO08. AO11. W14. W15. USO15. AO16.

Thats 6 slams Federer highly likely would win without Djoker. Good chance of winning at least one of USO10/USO11 also, unless you think Nad-Fed would be 10-0 if they played USO 10 times

 

[Lebsta]

I agree with the op. Apart from injuries Djokovic has the biggest obstacle in Rafa’s quest to surpass Roger. Let’s face it without Djoker Rafa is probably GOAT with at least 22 slams and 250 weeks at #1.

To answer the op yes Fed fans should be grateful for Djokovic but must realise that he is the biggest threat. They should actually root for Rafa to beat Novak

 

[Cupcake]

How do Fed fans feel about Djokers resurgence?

Who cares? Many of them live in their own dream world. There is nothing they can do about it anyway.

 

[mbm0912]

Fed fans shouldn't worry themselves, for in their hearts the GOAT will always be one and only, Laver.

I bet he was really something before electricity..

 

[Sport]

Djokovic is currently far better than either Nadal or Federer. That's why he wins. And he does it for himself. His only problem is his capacity for distraction.

Not on clay, where Djokovic has always been worse than Nadal (ignoring 2015 and maybe 2016). Djokovic did not lose to Thiem because he was "distracted", he lost because Thiem is the second best clay player since 2017. Since 2017, Thiem has always had better resutls at RG than Djokovic. And the second part of their SF was played in sunny conditions, with no wind, and with a 100% focused Djokovic, yet Djokovic was unable to defeat Thiem. If Djokovic was not able to defeat Thiem at RG, let alone Nadal. Nadal also destroyed Djokovic in Rome.

Clay is the only surface where Djokovic does not depend of himself. It does not matter whether he is in good form or not. If Nadal is in great shape, Djokovic cannot defeat him at RG, since Nadal has the best level ever on clay. Djokovic has never defeated a well-playing Nadal at RG.

 

[hipolymer]

Djokovic will lose to Roberta Bautista Agoat, so Fedrah fans need to take their mind off of him and worry about his semi with Rafuh

 

[robthai]

FAA will clear out the field of dinosaurs once he gets going.

 

[Sport]

Djokovic will lose to Roberta Bautista Agoat, so Fedrah fans need to take their mind off of him and worry about his semi with Rafuh

I agree that Baustista is the worse opponent Djokovic could have in the SF. Raonic would be much easier than Bautista for Djokovic. Bautista just destroyed a top 10 like Khachanov in 3 sets and is 2-0 against Djokovic in 2019.

 

[ductrung3993]

Boring. Younger Fed and younger Nadal had competition but now it's just these oldies and a bunch of over hyped, mental midget 'NeXt gEnS'

 

[BeatlesFan]

Are you guys happy Djoker won those or worried he will ultimately pass Fed?

He's 32 and I don't think he wins 6 more majors. It would be a Herculean effort and his chances are very, very slim (despite what his fans think). I don't think Fed wins another slam and will retire with 20, but that will be enough.

 

[BeatlesFan]

I agree that Baustista is the worse opponent Djokovic could have in the SF.

Amazing comment. A guy who has won one 250 on grass 5 years ago and is currently ranked 21 is the "worst opponent" Djokovic could have in a Wimbledon semi? Is this serious?

 

[Breakpointerer]

I agree that Baustista is the worse opponent Djokovic could have in the SF. Raonic would be much easier than Bautista for Djokovic. Bautista just destroyed a top 10 like Khachanov in 3 sets and is 2-0 against Djokovic in 2019.

That 2-0 doesn't matter. Beating Djokovic in a slam is a different kettle of fish compared to beating him at a couple of Bo3's

 

[BeatlesFan]

That 2-0 doesn't matter. Beating Djokovic in a slam is a different kettle of fish compared to beating him at a couple of Bo3's

As every other tennis fan already figured out.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Not on clay, where Djokovic has always been worse than Nadal (ignoring 2015 and maybe 2016). Djokovic did not lose to Thiem because he was "distracted", he lost because Thiem is the second best clay player since 2017. Since 2017, Thiem has always had better resutls at RG than Djokovic. And the second part of their SF was played in sunny conditions, with no wind, and with a 100% focused Djokovic, yet Djokovic was unable to defeat Thiem. If Djokovic was not able to defeat Thiem at RG, let alone Nadal. Nadal also destroyed Djokovic in Rome.

Clay is the only surface where Djokovic does not depend of himself. It does not matter whether he is in good form or not. If Nadal is in great shape, Djokovic cannot defeat him at RG, since Nadal has the best level ever on clay. Djokovic has never defeated a well-playing Nadal at RG.

Do you agree Djokovic destroyed Nadal at AO?

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Okay, I don’t like it, but I have to admit that Federer will REALLY be too old sooner or later now. But I see Nadal as a bigger threat than Djokovic even though his injury issues, just because of Djokovic’s strange character. He can be distracted by anything, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he wastes another year of his career starting at any possible time (while Nadal taking more titles then, even off clay). And then even Djokovic won’t get younger when he comes back.

Also him winning Wimbledon this year is far more questionable than you think IMO.

It is true that you never know with Djokovic! He can be the all conquering beast but he can also get distracted and lose intensity. You never know. However, currently Novak is back on top and is favourite for Wimbledon and us open, until proven otherwise. Nadal will have his chances but off clay, Novak is favourite. Rafa has to hope for a novak let down or loss of focus again.

 

[King No1e]

Djoker got his ass beat by Nadal in Rome and then lost to thiem at RG who was then thrashed by Nadal in the final. So not sure he is currently far better. It's a shame Djoker doesn't have one good player to face in route to the final so we can see his current form.

He could get Raonic in the SF, and he's no joke at Wimbledon.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djoko did damage to both of them. At first he damaged Nadal, in 2011 to early 2012. Then he started to damage fed more between 2014- early 2016. Then now lately he’s hurt Rafa more again. He’s kept the slam count close between them, while closing in on both of them at same time.

 

[Sport]

Do you agree Djokovic destroyed Nadal at AO?

Undoubtedly.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

It's tremendous.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Undoubtedly.

You do understand that circumstances external to actual match itself can impact the result?

An inform form Nadal would have put up a better performance in that AO final against Djokovic and a better rested Djokovic would have put up a better performance in that Rome final against Nadal.

Did they both get destroyed? Sure. But would the same have happened if the things I mentioned happened, probably not.

 

[Sport]

You do understand that circumstances external to actual match itself can impact the result?

An inform form Nadal would have put up a better performance in that AO final against Djokovic and a better rested Djokovic would have put up a better performance in that Rome final against Nadal.

Did they both get destroyed? Sure. But would the same have happened if the things I mentioned happened, probably not.

I agree.