Djokovic2011
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Being in the final >>> losing in the 3R.
How many slams does Serena need to be the best ever?
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Being in the final >>> losing in the 3R.
heftylefty
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heftylefty
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And winning over 80% Slam Finals are now meaningless? Wow.
Djokovic2011
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I'd take 18-14 in Slam finals + the incredible consistency that we saw from Evert, Martina and Graf year after year than being 18-4 but with lots of early round losses, many of which were to much lower ranked players.
CEvertFan
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And add to that her ranking inconsistencies as well. She only regained the #1 ranking now that all her actual main rivals (Henin, Clijsters, Davenport and Capriati to name a few) have retired. The women that are left are mental midgets and play very one dimensional games so it's no surprise that she should be/is dominating this current fluff era. Serena's early round losses in the majors this year (except for the US Open of course) clearly indicate that she is becoming even more inconsistent than she always has been now that she's approaching the twilight of her career.
Vanhool
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Ok give me a break. She DROVE them into retirement. The only reason they have a decent head to head is because they quit. If they stuck around like Jankovic, they'd have suffered the same fate. Serena is, in many respects, a better player than back then.
PDJ
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PDJ
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The career ranking inconsistencies and her inconsistent, by her standards, 2014 are both fair and valid points. You have to concede that surely?
Her 2013, now that was a good year. Or was it 2012? But, either way, she's had better years, and worse, I grant you.
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Vanhool
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Both years were great. She lost 4 matches both years. This year she lost 8. I still don't think it was that bad. I understand you all marvel at Evert's consistancy, and it is amazing, but I think Serena's inconsistancy is way overblown. Her winning percentage is still quite respectable, and if she chooses to keep playing and the percentage goes down, but she bags more titles then I don't have a problem with that. In the end it matters more what you've won than what you've lost. They hand out winner trophies, not shame stains for losers.
But really, take 2012 and the stuff she won that year and she still wasn't ranked #1. That's why I take that stat with a grain of salt. Yes, it does mean something, but it doesn't tell the whole story, especially when her career has had so many interruptions she had to build back up from.
Man of steel
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Lol. Henin wasn't even a rival to be honest. I love the way people forget venus. They played each other in 8 slam finals which is the second highest after Nav chrissie with 14.
Henin played serena in 1 slam final. Just 1. Clisjter 0 times and davenport 1
Henin to be honest took advantage of end of 03 to 07.
Serena was literally MIA those years. And clisjter only has 1 win against serena in a slam and that was 09 and serena hadn't played her since 03 i think. And serena still won that 7-2. Even after henin came back she wasn't up to the task even with 2 years away from the game.
Especially Us open 2003 and Ao O4 she was lucky serena missed those tournament due to a 8 month long knee injury and the death of her sister or else henin wouldn't even have those slams
AngieB
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AngieB
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Didn't you know HEFTYLEFTY?
The only path towards GOAT status in women's tennis is to lose a record (7) Wimbledon finals. No one in women's history lost more Wimbledon finals than Chris Evert.
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AngieB
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What I am continuing to learn from this thread. Being clutch in Grand Slam Rd 32, Rd 16 and QF is not a prerequisite to GOAT status. If your are the right certain someone, getting into the second week, is merely icing on cake. You've already done enough by winning your second round match.
Serena's achievements post turning 30 are amazing; 3 consecutive US Open titles, 1 Wimbledon title, 1 RG title, 3 consecutive YEC titles, an Olympic gold medal in singles, back to back Miami titles, 25 WTA titles in total, back to back year end no. 1 finishes (including holding the world no. 1 ranking wall to wall this year), and I think she is now mathematically certain to reach over 100 weeks as world no. 1 just as a 31-33 year old.
Winning the Australian Open is the only significant feat that she hasn't accomplished in her 30s. It has been nice to see her treating the regular tour events with a lot more importance after coming back from her pulmonary embolism scare, in sharp contrast with her attitude towards them until 2010. Still I would expect her to cut down the number of smaller events that she enters next year, so that she has more in the tank for the slams. She is 33 years old after all and she needs to schedule carefully.
Winning the Australian Open is the only significant feat that she hasn't accomplished in her 30s. It has been nice to see her treating the regular tour events with a lot more importance after coming back from her pulmonary embolism scare, in sharp contrast with her attitude towards them until 2010. Still I would expect her to cut down the number of smaller events that she enters next year, so that she has more in the tank for the slams. She is 33 years old after all and she needs to schedule carefully.
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AngieB
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The self-destructive part of it all, is that officially, no one agrees with their double standards, trivia and historically ignorant nonsense. This little group will forever be known for--as Angie would say--majoring in minors--a distant second from the dangerous hatred which fuels their daily posts.
Meanwhile, Serena says she has a desire to win more majors, so just one more will send her past her current equals Evert & Martina.
..and on that note:
Of course. The talk of professional tennis in 2014 was not on semifinals, runner-up, and minor titles won. It was about if and when Serena made history (yet again) by reaching the 18th major. The usual suspects pushed this thread to 37 pages due to their rage at the official acknowledgement...
...otherwise, there would be nothing to post.
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Djokovic2011
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In terms of number of Slams it will but not in terms of overall greatness due to the many other incredible stats that Chris and Martina have over her. You know this of course.
Evert was very unlucky to be stripped off at least an extra 50-60 weeks as world no. 1, by virtue of the fact that the WTA computer rankings were only introduced in November in 1975, while she had established herself as the clear best player in the world at RG/Wimbledon in 1974.
She entered 56 slams in her career, reaching the final of 34 of them (60.7%), and the semi-finals of 52 of them (92.9%). She won 51.8% of all tournaments that she entered during her career (157 out of 303). Definitely the best day in day out consistency in the open era.
She entered 56 slams in her career, reaching the final of 34 of them (60.7%), and the semi-finals of 52 of them (92.9%). She won 51.8% of all tournaments that she entered during her career (157 out of 303). Definitely the best day in day out consistency in the open era.
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