How Would You Feel - Indian Wells, 5th Slam?

Adding Indian Wells as a 5th Major

  • Sure, why not?

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Absolutely not

    Votes: 18 81.8%
  • Maybe, but some things should be changed

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .

MindoverMatter

Professional
All this talk about the Real Slam Cincy got me thinking again about a topic I've debated with some of my friends before, and I think has been brought up on the boards a couple of times as well: What would you think about making Indian Wells the 5th Grand Slam?

There are a couple arguments to be made for the idea. First, it's in a perfect position in the current tournament schedule. It's placed right between the Australian Open and the French Open, and could help fill the 4 month gap that exists between the two tournaments. The clay season doesn't really begin by that point either, though tournaments like Acapulco and Buenos Aires would lose all major players.

Indian Wells is already one of the only two Masters tournaments with a Slam-level draw (128 spots, though 32 players get a bye due to not enough time for scheduling). Its the best attended tournaments outside the Slams right now, it has the second largest stadium in the world and is planning expansions, and it offers the most prize money out of the current Masters tournaments.

Now, let's consider the downsides.

First and foremost (the thing that I hear most often and is probably the best argument against it), it would mean another Major in the United States. The US already seems to hold a large majority of the major tournaments already, and adding another Slam would tread pretty hard on the toes of all the other countries in the world. It hardly seems fair, and it probably isn't. It's also another hard court slam, which further polarizes the influence of the surfaces.

Second, it would probably crush Miami's player attendance. The fact that Miami currently comes after Indian Wells will have to change (there's no chance players are going to play a Masters right after a Major, especially a hard court masters coming before a clay season), but even putting Miami before Indian Wells isn't going to fix the attendance. Top players will tank early to rest up for the Slam, and those who win will have little to no chance of going deep in the Major.

Besides that, there's simply tradition to think of. There are 4 Grand Slams; it's been this way for over 100 years. Why change?

What do you guys think?
 
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underground

G.O.A.T.
Best run, but the courts are too slow. But the speed of Cinci there and I say that would be a successful 5th slam.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
4 slams is enough. and if there was a 5th it should be either on fast grass on indoor hard/carpet or maybe har-tru.
 

MindoverMatter

Professional
I think that I would support it becoming a 5th slam if it kept up the good attendance and management for a couple of years, changed the court to be faster, and maybe bring it indoors, though the weather in Cali is pretty much perfect so there's not really an incentive to do so for them.

The tradition argument holds a lot of sway for me though...just the simple idea of having 4 Grand Slams is hard to destroy. Would a 5th slam lessen the importance of winning one?
 

coloskier

Legend
The only tourney that should be considered for a 5th slam should be on an extremely fast, low bouncing, skidding court where you have to play S&V to win. For balance to the 4 other slowed down slams.
 

Goosehead

Legend
no way, not a 5th major..having 5 majors would screw up the record books and dilute perceived majors won player acheivements..:confused:

at least we have had 30 years of all 4 majors being played by most of the players and they,ve been the big events,

we all know about what a mess tennis history is with the amateur/bans/pro majors and WCT and stuff.,

but at least we have had 4 majors since 1925 I think ?, even if the Australian and even occasionally the French open were not viewed as 'must play' tourneys until 1983..
 

MonkeyBoy

Hall of Fame
1. 5 GS may be too many and ruin the novelty of GSs.
2. would have to change from hard
3. 2nd major in the usA
4. would mess with records
5. slams are steeped in history going back 100+ years. IW is not.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
We don't need another slam in the US. We already have 1 and we need even less another slam on outdoor hard, we already have 2!
 
Nah, if there's a 5th Slam I'd rather it be in a different country.

Honestly, though, I'm fine with 4 Grand Slams: two on hard courts, one on grass, one on clay.
 

PaulFCB

Semi-Pro
Hmm, 5th Slam - Maybe!
Def not in Indian Wells, which is very far from Europe and would have audience like a 500 in Europe, 5th Slam should be in Europe or South America between AO and FO such as Rio/Sao Paulo or Madrid/Barcelona on Blue Clay or Moscow/Berlin sometime in October and push the US 1-2 weeks earlier. Indoor Grand Slam for them.
I for one, don't see the need of Paris Bercy, Paris can have RG only, Tour Finals should be 3-5 years contracts but not NY/London or something else, leave it for cities like Bucharest, Prague, Belgrade, Budapest or Athens that can't host anything more than a 250/500 and a big indoor arena should do for a Tour Finals and eventually play the top 12 players with the best 2 ( x3 = 6 ) + the best 2 placed 3rd in the groups to play in the QF for more games.
 
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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
They could decide to bump WTF and replace it with an actual 5th slam on carpet indoor. It would bring more variety to the slams surfaces. Or they could have another slam on clay in South America for the sake of fairness (balancing the 2 hard court slams).
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
They could decide to bump WTF and replace it with an actual 5th slam on carpet indoor. It would bring more variety to the slams surfaces. Or they could have another slam on clay in South America for the sake of fairness (balancing the 2 hard court slams).

If there is another slam on clay you need to make one more on grass too. If it's clay it needs to be different from RG clay, Har tru would be good.
 
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JRAJ1988

Guest
A Grand Masters tournament in which the winner wins 1500 points?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Only if they changed the surface to grass (Larry is rich enough to afford it)! One more hardcourt major we definitely do not need!
 

FreeBird

Legend
Didn't even know tennis was very popular in India. I know Leyander Pays but that's it

India/Indian wells.
And 'Leyander' pays for what?

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