Hyper G Soft fails in Yonex VCore Pro 97?

[kipek]

Hi hitters,

I play with the 2019 VCP 97 310 gram - the emerald green version. I love the racquets feel, speed and predictability. I have made slight modifications with a total of 6g leads at 3+9 plus a leather grip.

I have played with a few strings in it and generally enjoy experimenting with strings. 4G 1.25mm worked well, MSV Hex 1.23mm was great, Yonex PTP 1.20mm also very good. All strung at 48lbs.

I recently tried Hyper G Soft, 1.20mm @48lbs to experience all the hype and OMG! 1hr of play was great. Then a massive drop off. Erratic string bed.. hard to control. Balls in the net, balls spraying even when I know I hit it clean based on feel. When I switch racquets to the other one with 4G.. all is good and I’m swinging freely again.

Has anyone experienced this? Is it a known thing? Any other string recommendations?

Thanks
K

 

[Casper777]

I noticed it with this string... like it but you really have to bump up the tension for a more consistant experience... think 52-53 lbs especially with the 120 gauge

 

[smithie]

Switch to the regular version, I found it played better than the soft variant. You can also up the gauge to 1.25 to get more longevity.

 

[Yamin]

Bought a reel of HGS and it would never play consistently day to day. Would sometimes feel like it's dead after day 1. Not sure if it was temp related, humidity, or if its just quick to die when hitting harder. Regular HG 17 is much better.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Bought a reel of HGS and it would never play consistently day to day. Would sometimes feel like it's dead after day 1. Not sure if it was temp related, humidity, or if its just quick to die when hitting harder. Regular HG 17 is much better.

What tension were you using?

 

[Yamin]

What tension were you using?

50

 

[SinneGOAT]

Hi hitters,

I play with the 2019 VCP 97 310 gram - the emerald green version. I love the racquets feel, speed and predictability. I have made slight modifications with a total of 6g leads at 3+9 plus a leather grip.

I have played with a few strings in it and generally enjoy experimenting with strings. 4G 1.25mm worked well, MSV Hex 1.23mm was great, Yonex PTP 1.20mm also very good. All strung at 48lbs.

I recently tried Hyper G Soft, 1.20mm @48lbs to experience all the hype and OMG! 1hr of play was great. Then a massive drop off. Erratic string bed.. hard to control. Balls in the net, balls spraying even when I know I hit it clean based on feel. When I switch racquets to the other one with 4G.. all is good and I’m swinging freely again.

Has anyone experienced this? Is it a known thing? Any other string recommendations?

Thanks
K

You should tighten the stringbed by about 2-4 pounds. The string is actually quite soft, and at lower tensions it is already going to have springiness. I string hyper g soft 1.20 at 52 pounds.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

You should tighten the stringbed by about 2-4 pounds. The string is actually quite soft, and at lower tensions it is already going to have springiness. I string hyper g soft 1.20 at 52 pounds.

That's what I figured, only explanation for it dropping off hard after only an hour. Must've been strung too loose so once it broke in and lost its fresh restringing tightness it went bad

 

[albertobra]

My opinion and experience as a stringer is that soft version works great on stiffer raquets at tensions that don't go past 48. For Vcore Pro defenitely I'd use normal Hyper-G, or one of those strings you said (4G 1.25mm worked well, MSV Hex 1.23mm was great). Also try MSV Hepta Twist. Now for normal Vcore Hyper-G Soft works great, at 45 to 48 lbs.

 

[albertobra]

Double

 

[socallefty]

My opinion and experience as a stringer is that soft version works great on stiffer raquets at tensions that don't go past 48. For Vcore Pro defenitely I'd use normal Hyper-G, or one of those strings you said (4G 1.25mm worked well, MSV Hex 1.23mm was great). Also try MSV Hepta Twist. Now for normal Vcore Hyper-G Soft works great, at 45 to 48 lbs.

I like HyperG and HyperG Soft in the 40-45 lb range also at least on a Pure Strike Tour. I play with thin gauges like 17 or 18 and don’t know how the thicker gauges play.

 

[Trip]

@socallefty - I'm curious: do you tend to prefer HG at lower tension or HGS at higher tension? Or do like both equally, and/or for different purposes?

 

[socallefty]

@socallefty - I'm curious: do you tend to prefer HG at lower tension or HGS at higher tension? Or do like both equally, and/or for different purposes?

I like them both only at low tensions below 45 lbs and they play similar for me except that HyperG Soft is more comfortable. So, I moved to HyperG Soft when it came out after playing with HyperG for a year prior to that. I like most soft polys in the low forties in fullbed and mid-forties in hybrids with gut. I did try a few of them in low-mid fifties and felt like comfort was lower without any appreciable increase in performance - the control/spin doesn’t drop off too much when you go lower.

 

[kipek]

My opinion and experience as a stringer is that soft version works great on stiffer raquets at tensions that don't go past 48. For Vcore Pro defenitely I'd use normal Hyper-G, or one of those strings you said (4G 1.25mm worked well, MSV Hex 1.23mm was great). Also try MSV Hepta Twist. Now for normal Vcore Hyper-G Soft works great, at 45 to 48 lbs.

Great advice. Thanks.

 

[Trip]

@socallefty - Thanks, good to know. I may revisit a few of my better poly strings I previously strung in the low-mid 50's and see how they play at, say, 10 or more pounds lower. I have a feeling I may be surprised...

 

[g4driver]

a) 1.20mm softer poly strings in a 16X19 frame is part of the problem.

b) The other problem is then stringing the softer poly at lower tensions with a full bed of it.

This is why strings like VCT 1.30mm and other softer polys IMO play better strung in the 50's rather than 40's for most clients. the softer or the more powerful the string, the higher I string them as a starting point. personally, not a fan of 1.20mm polys whatsoever in 16x19 frames, but they work nicely in 18x20 frames.

do I have 1.20'mm HG in a reel? Yep but have gone through three reels of 1.25 HG to just one frame of 1.20 HG in the last year.. no demand for 1.20 HG from 4.5C players. none.

and no problem with HGS 1.25mm / GW 1.22mm in my 2016 Pure Aero+ frames that all weigh 342 grams or 12 oz string. Then again I am merely a'4.0C but @schmke had me in good company at the end of last year per his Talk Tennis members at my level.

I had a 20 something 5.5 player text me tonight wanting a reel of RPM Blast 2020 Pure Aero VS 16x20 . guess what gauge he wanted ? It wasn't 1.15, 1.20, or even 1.25mm. Yep 1.30mm and delivering it to him tomorrow am.

 

[g4driver]

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You should tighten the stringbed by about 2-4 pounds. The string is actually quite soft, and at lower tensions it is already going to have springiness. I string hyper g soft 1.20 at 52 pounds.

and up the gauge to 1.25mm

 

[SinneGOAT]

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and up the gauge to 1.25mm

I’m surprised how long the 1.20 has held tension. I may not hit extremely hard, but it has held on for multiple weeks.

 

[kipek]

a) 1.20mm softer poly strings in a 16X19 frame is part of the problem.

b) The other problem is then stringing the softer poly at lower tensions with a full bed of it.

This is why strings like VCT 1.30mm and other softer polys IMO play better strung in the 50's rather than 40's for most clients. the softer or the more powerful the string, the higher I string them as a starting point. personally, not a fan of 1.20mm polys whatsoever in 16x19 frames, but they work nicely in 18x20 frames.

do I have 1.20'mm HG in a reel? Yep but have gone through three reels of 1.25 HG to just one frame of 1.20 HG in the last year.. no demand for 1.20 HG from 4.5C players. none.

and no problem with HGS 1.25mm / GW 1.22mm in my 2016 Pure Aero+ frames that all weigh 342 grams or 12 oz string. Then again I am merely a'4.0C but @schmke had me in good company at the end of last year per his Talk Tennis members at my level.

I had a 20 something 5.5 player text me tonight wanting a reel of RPM Blast 2020 Pure Aero VS 16x20 . guess what gauge he wanted ? It wasn't 1.15, 1.20, or even 1.25mm. Yep 1.30mm and delivering it to him tomorrow am.

Good info. Thanks for that. So maybe it’s the combination of soft string + thin gauge + 16x19 + low tension that made its lifespan so short?

I have used 1.20 Yonex Poly Tour Pro with the same setup and it played very good.

 

[g4driver]

Good info. Thanks for that. So maybe it’s the combination of soft string + thin gauge + 16x19 + low tension that made its lifespan so short?

I have used 1.20 Yonex Poly Tour Pro with the same setup and it played very good.

1.20 mm polys have a shorter lifespan than 1.25mm regardless of tension. IMO 1.25mm poly Is the sweet spot for 16X19 frames much more than 1.20mm polys. Without looking at the RSI database I would guess YPTP 1.20 is a stiffer string than 1.20 HGS

No idea your level of play, but I have one 4.0C hard-hitting client who won 4 out of 5 matches at mixed 8.0 Nationals (he won the semi and finals match and lost one match in the original grouping) who has used 1.25 YPTA for as long as I have known in him Ezone 98 and before that RDIS 300s. Just to give you a sense of his level of play as a 4.0C. It's tough to get to any Nationals and seems to require a combo of luck, skill, and often a lot of self-rating or appeal down players on a team, but as a computer-rated guy with no self-rated players on that team, his team won 8.0 Nationals. It isn't easy to win 4 out of 5 matches at Sectionals or Nationals as a mid-level player at your current NTRP. I string his Ezone 98s at 55lbs on a constant pull Ghost.

I know there are a lot of posters on this forum who love polys in the 40s, but in real life, when I get requests from 4.5 and 5.0 male clients, I have one 5.0 using Hyper G 1.25mm at 48 lbs in an Ultra Tour and a boatload of 4.5s using Hyper G 1.25 in the low 50s. Some of the 4.5 guys are in their 40s and they are simply used to heavy frames and polys in the 50s and they aren't looking to switch. Others like the lower 50s upper 40s. As long as they are happy and their arms don't get hurt, I simply give them advice and let them tell me what they want. They are the easiest clients I have.

 

[PKorda]

a) 1.20mm softer poly strings in a 16X19 frame is part of the problem.

b) The other problem is then stringing the softer poly at lower tensions with a full bed of it.

This is why strings like VCT 1.30mm and other softer polys IMO play better strung in the 50's rather than 40's for most clients. the softer or the more powerful the string, the higher I string them as a starting point. personally, not a fan of 1.20mm polys whatsoever in 16x19 frames, but they work nicely in 18x20 frames.

do I have 1.20'mm HG in a reel? Yep but have gone through three reels of 1.25 HG to just one frame of 1.20 HG in the last year.. no demand for 1.20 HG from 4.5C players. none.

and no problem with HGS 1.25mm / GW 1.22mm in my 2016 Pure Aero+ frames that all weigh 342 grams or 12 oz string. Then again I am merely a'4.0C but @schmke had me in good company at the end of last year per his Talk Tennis members at my level.

I had a 20 something 5.5 player text me tonight wanting a reel of RPM Blast 2020 Pure Aero VS 16x20 . guess what gauge he wanted ? It wasn't 1.15, 1.20, or even 1.25mm. Yep 1.30mm and delivering it to him tomorrow am.

What don't people like about the thinner gauge HG? Lack of control? or something else?

 

[kipek]

What don't people like about the thinner gauge HG? Lack of control? or something else?

HG Soft in a thin get gauge just seems to have a very short life. I got 2-3 hours from before it became unplayable. Not control - balls spraying everywhere even when I’d hit clean.

 

[Yamin]

Regular Hyper G 17 is possibly the best 1.2 gauge string all around.

 

[g4driver]

What don't people like about the thinner gauge HG? Lack of control? or something else?

I get a lot of broken HG 1.25 string back.. those players would most certainly break 1.20mm HG quicker.

@MisterP sold me a near new reel of 1.20mm HG.. it was way too thin for him.. I tried it in my PA+ with GW 1.22mm crosses vs HGS 1.25mm/GW 1.22mm HGS 1.25mm lasted longer and feels softer to my elbow..

@Creighton knows many of the 4.0 guys on my team. He knows many have been bumped to 4.5 and appealed back and he knows how hard some of these players hit.

in a 16x19 frame, 1.20mm HG doesnt hold tension for the average 4.0 player and it breaks quickly.. just one 4.0 guy uses it is a Pure Aero frame and he breaks it quickly maybe 10-12 hours. I have been on the court with him on multiple occasion when he broke it. He most certainly doesn't hit harder than most of my teammates. He just likes thinner strings.

One of my friends strings for the local WTA tournament and is a full time professional stinger.. he and I both advised the guy to use 1.25mm HG but this guy prefers breaking the thinner 1.20mm

a thicker 1.25mm would last him longer and he could cut it out after 14-16 hours. I use a pure aero+ and if you can't generate spin with a PA, you need tennis lessons 4x a week as the frame makes it easy.

in an 18x20 frame, maybe 1.20mm HG works for a 4.0 or a 4.5 guy. But every 4.5 and 4.0 guy i string for who uses HG, uses 1.25mm. One 16 year old junior broke it in a PS97 in six days a few weeks back. I changed him to 1.30mm. As the more spin and more pace a player hits, the quicker a sting willl break.

1.20mm is simply too thin for the 4.0C, 4.0A and 4.5C players who use it. one client was a 4.5A down guy and he was breaking 1.30mm HG mains in 12 hours for two straight years until he torn a tendon.

if you break a poly string in less than 10 hours, go up a gauge

 

[aaron_h27]

1.20 mm polys have a shorter lifespan than 1.25mm regardless of tension. IMO 1.25mm poly Is the sweet spot for 16X19 frames much more than 1.20mm polys. Without looking at the RSI database I would guess YPTP 1.20 is a stiffer string than 1.20 HGS

No idea your level of play, but I have one 4.0C hard-hitting client who won 4 out of 5 matches at mixed 8.0 Nationals (he won the semi and finals match and lost one match in the original grouping) who has used 1.25 YPTA for as long as I have known in him Ezone 98 and before that RDIS 300s. Just to give you a sense of his level of play as a 4.0C. It's tough to get to any Nationals and seems to require a combo of luck, skill, and often a lot of self-rating or appeal down players on a team, but as a computer-rated guy with no self-rated players on that team, his team won 8.0 Nationals. It isn't easy to win 4 out of 5 matches at Sectionals or Nationals as a mid-level player at your current NTRP. I string his Ezone 98s at 55lbs on a constant pull Ghost.

I know there are a lot of posters on this forum who love polys in the 40s, but in real life, when I get requests from 4.5 and 5.0 male clients, I have one 5.0 using Hyper G 1.25mm at 48 lbs in an Ultra Tour and a boatload of 4.5s using Hyper G 1.25 in the low 50s. Some of the 4.5 guys are in their 40s and they are simply used to heavy frames and polys in the 50s and they aren't looking to switch. Others like the lower 50s upper 40s. As long as they are happy and their arms don't get hurt, I simply give them advice and let them tell me what they want. They are the easiest clients I have.

Yeah it seems like only on this board people are stringing at 40 lbs.

anything under 50 is launchy for me although I haven't tried any stiff poly's in full beds like (Max Power, 4G)

My preferred set-up is Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.20 @ 52 lbs in a Vcore 95. I initially tried it at 50, but wanted a bit more control.

I still have yet to break it though...even after 20 hours it never breaks, I suppose shaped strings break quicker than round ones. I generally cut it out once it starts playing bad

 

[g4driver]

@aaron_h27

is the VC 95 18x20 or 16X20? I think 16x20 but it feels like a closed patter 95 inches which makes complete sense you use 1.20mm..

can't imagine using 1.20mm anythjng in a Pure Aero. The pattern is 16x19 but much miore open than most 16x19
frames.

 

[aaron_h27]

@aaron_h27

is the VC 95 18x20 or 16X20? I think 16x20 but it feels like a closed patter 95 inches which makes complete sense you use 1.20mm..

can't imagine using 1.20mm anythjng in a Pure Aero. The pattern is 16x19 but much miore open than most 16x19
frames.

16x20.

 

[88fingers]

I would never play longer than 5 hours ( 2 matches) with any poly.
The pros don't play longer than a couple of sets with poly.
If you can't afford or don't want to change your strings often, don't use poly. There are plenty of great synthetics and nylons that hold their playability a lot longer than any poly.

 

[g4driver]

I would never play longer than 5 hours ( 2 matches) with any poly.
The pros don't play longer than a couple of sets with poly.
If you can't afford or don't want to change your strings often, don't use poly. There are plenty of great synthetics and nylons that hold their playability a lot longer than any poly.

There are plenty of pros who most certainly use poly stings longer than 5 hours. Qualifiers trying to get a paycheck sure as heck don't restring frames every 5 hours.

neither do DI collegiate players..

my ignore list grows.. welcome to the club

 

[88fingers]

The two D1 college teams near me do get fresh poly string jobs paid for by the college before any important match.
And the one local pro on the challenger circuit certainly plays with new strings in every tournament match. Tennis is an expensive sport.
I'm just saying the average club player should not be using poly. If they keep the strings in their racquet for weeks they are going to play better with some of the newer
synthetic guts. The host of this forum shows that Head 17 gauge synthetic gut gets just as much spin as polys and doesn't loose tension like a poly. I don't know how any serious tennis player would play a match with a racquet
that is 10 lbs looser than when it was originally strung. What a disadvantage that is !

 

[kipek]

The two D1 college teams near me do get fresh poly string jobs paid for by the college before any important match.
And the one local pro on the challenger circuit certainly plays with new strings in every tournament match. Tennis is an expensive sport.
I'm just saying the average club player should not be using poly. If they keep the strings in their racquet for weeks they are going to play better with some of the newer
synthetic guts. The host of this forum shows that Head 17 gauge synthetic gut gets just as much spin as polys and doesn't loose tension like a poly. I don't know how any serious tennis player would play a match with a racquet
that is 10 lbs looser than when it was originally strung. What a disadvantage that is !

I like the crisp feel and response of a poly. Also - I see poly's get a LOT of marketing. Fancy colours, fancy names, and a variety of attributes. Which Head string are you referring to?

 

[88fingers]

Yes polys cost more and there is alot more marketing with polys and everyone wants to "use what the pros use"
But for most of us ....
I was referring to Head Synthetic Gut PPS 17. (the Head marketing team didn't even give it a good name)
This can be strung tighter than a poly to get that crisp feeling and the feeling will remain longer than any poly.

 

[Pappas John]

Yes polys cost more and there is alot more marketing with polys and everyone wants to "use what the pros use"
But for most of us ....
I was referring to Head Synthetic Gut PPS 17. (the Head marketing team didn't even give it a good name)
This can be strung tighter than a poly to get that crisp feeling and the feeling will remain longer than any poly.

When you're a good player, you break SG in 2-4h, sometimes in less than 2h. Sorry to tell ya mate.

 

[88fingers]

thats correct. Synthetic guts are good for 4.0 players and lower. (which is the majority of players)
Yes Polys will never break with 4.0 players and lower. But the edge for playability goes with the non polys for most players which is my point.
i see 3.0 and 3.5 players using poly and no way should they be using that. Some even with sore arms/ wrists... what a disaster decision that is.

 

[aaron_h27]

The two D1 college teams near me do get fresh poly string jobs paid for by the college before any important match.
And the one local pro on the challenger circuit certainly plays with new strings in every tournament match. Tennis is an expensive sport.
I'm just saying the average club player should not be using poly. If they keep the strings in their racquet for weeks they are going to play better with some of the newer
synthetic guts. The host of this forum shows that Head 17 gauge synthetic gut gets just as much spin as polys and doesn't loose tension like a poly. I don't know how any serious tennis player would play a match with a racquet
that is 10 lbs looser than when it was originally strung. What a disadvantage that is !

Poly and SG don't play similarly at all...I never break strings but still like poly for added control & spin. I don't get the same spin with SG because the string bed locks up.

 

[g4driver]

my apology for being snarky and a DB.. have had a cold (not covid ) last since Friday and am on Pseudoephedrine & Mucinex.. yes in in pissy mood. It is gorgeous outside and I am stuck inside with this miserable head cold and runny nose

sorry for my snarky post.. no excuse to be mean spirited even with a cold.

my sincere apology to you @88fingers