I don't mean to be mean...

[MRfStop]

I played a 6.0 mixed tournament match with my sister this past weekend who has just started back playing from 18 years of not playing. We played two people obviously new to tennis.

During one game my sister served and the ball clearly hit right next to the line and left a fuzzy mark. The guy standing up at the net called it out....and I went to look at it and didn't say anything and let them have it. The next game the lady is serving to us I hit a forehand return with a lot of top spin and from my viewpoint it hit clearly inside the baseline. The lady standing behind the baseline jogging towards the fence called the ball out with her back to us and the ball. I asked "How could that be out? Did it leave a mark? Where is the mark? Do you see the mark?". They proceeded to give us the point and I told them that you can't call something out that you don't see. Which they didn't like and as I was heading back to the fence a ball goes bouncing past me...fairly close. Later in the match there are more questionable calls but we were beating them so bad that non-obvious cheating couldn't help them win.

Has anyone here dealt with chronic out-callers? What did you do to resolve the problem? I didn't mean to be mean to them BUT they had called some obviously in shots out that had marks. Also, the person who is calling the shots out does not have a good viewpoint and shouldn't have been the one calling the shot out.

 

[J_R_B]

The answer is don't play 6.0.

 

[McLovin]

Well, first off, looking at marks on hard courts is not a definitive way to verify where the ball landed (although many of us do look at them).

Second, when you say "I went to look at it", I hope you did not cross the net. You are not allowed to do that during the game.

Third, anyone may call a ball out. Even if they do not have the 'best' vantage point, if they saw it out, they may call it out. And further more, both players do NOT need to see it out to call it out. Only if one sees it 'in' and the other sees it 'out' should the ball be called 'in'. If one sees it 'out' and the other is 'unsure', it is 'out'.

The best thing to do in a tournament match is to call for an official. But be warned: Anything you do wrong (e.g., foot faults, talking during the point when the ball is heading towards your opponent, etc.) MAY be called against you.

I have just learned to let it go and try to hit the ball so there is absolutely no question that it is in. In the end, its only a game. We're not playing for our livelihood.

 

[Bionic slice]

Its sucks when this happens, some players are notorious out callers and some players when they fill pressure of losing or might see a change in the momentum will suddenly start calling in or very in shots out. It drives me crazy, if you play enough tennis, you know your shots, you can tell if a ball is out or might be super close, but when the game is changed by someone on the other side making blatant out calls, its sucks!!
i try my best to then make sure im inside the lines, to eliminate any issues, if they say i think its out, i take the point, there is no thinking, you know its in, you said nothing, you know its out you have no problem, if you think, then you know its in, play the point or lose it.

 

[mmk]

I only play doubles once a year, mixed, and only because the organizer at my club asks me to fill in for a one day fun tournament. A couple weeks ago was my one time this year, and one of my service games the guy on the other side called three of my serves out, two of which were in by a foot - I serve hard and they left marks on the clay court so there was no doubt they were in. My partner for the day questioned him, but we just let it go. If this had been a serious event I might have said something, but more likely I would have targeted him at the net.

 

[austintennis2005]

Well, first off, looking at marks on hard courts is not a definitive way to verify where the ball landed (although many of us do look at them).

i think its definitive enough for 3.0 doubles

 

[MRfStop]

Well, first off, looking at marks on hard courts is not a definitive way to verify where the ball landed (although many of us do look at them).

Second, when you say "I went to look at it", I hope you did not cross the net. You are not allowed to do that during the game.

Third, anyone may call a ball out. Even if they do not have the 'best' vantage point, if they saw it out, they may call it out. And further more, both players do NOT need to see it out to call it out. Only if one sees it 'in' and the other sees it 'out' should the ball be called 'in'. If one sees it 'out' and the other is 'unsure', it is 'out'.

The best thing to do in a tournament match is to call for an official. But be warned: Anything you do wrong (e.g., foot faults, talking during the point when the ball is heading towards your opponent, etc.) MAY be called against you.

I have just learned to let it go and try to hit the ball so there is absolutely no question that it is in. In the end, its only a game. We're not playing for our livelihood.

"I went to look at it" means I could see where it landed from the other side of net where I was standing..I closer to the net to see if there was mark and it turned out that there was in fact a mark. If the mark wasn't there I could still tell that it was in hitting on the inside of the outer service line.

For me (and I think it should be for everyone else...who consider themselves non-cheaters)...if you can't tell if the ball hit the outer edge of the line or if it hit an inch out...call it in. If you can't see the ball hit out than you can't call it out.....seems like that would be pretty easy logic for some.

 

[McLovin]

i think its definitive enough for 3.0 doubles

Not according to the USTA Director of Officials, Richard Kaufman:

Calls on hard courts must be immediate. There are no ball mark inspections on a hard court. If they do not call the ball out immediately, then the ball should be considered good.

See http://www.usta.com/Improve-Your-Game/Rules/Feature/0802__bouncing_the_ball__ball_marks/

You cannot make up rules based on the level of play.

 

[McLovin]

"I went to look at it" means I could see where it landed from the other side of net where I was standing..I closer to the net to see if there was mark and it turned out that there was in fact a mark. If the mark wasn't there I could still tell that it was in hitting on the inside of the outer service line.

Good. However, see my post above. Inspecting marks on hard courts is not allowed.

For me (and I think it should be for everyone else...who consider themselves non-cheaters)...if you can't tell if the ball hit the outer edge of the line or if it hit an inch out...call it in. If you can't see the ball hit out than you can't call it out.....seems like that would be pretty easy logic for some.

Agreed. No argument here.

 

[tennis tom]

*I played a 6.0 mixed tournament match with my sister this past weekend who has just started back playing from 18 years of not playing.

Where does one start with this one!?! Is this TTWarrior after his date fail? Playing with one's sister must be thrilling.

*We played two people obviously new to tennis.

Maybe they did not understand that the lines are IN.


*During one game my sister served and the ball clearly hit right next to the line and left a fuzzy mark.

NEXT to the line is NOT on the line!



*The next game the lady is serving to us I hit a forehand return with a lot of top spin and from my viewpoint it hit clearly inside the baseline.

It is difficult to accurately see your opponent's baseline shots, that's why if you're going to cheat, that's the line to do it on, but make sure there aren't any witnesses. Using the word "viewpoint" betrays doubt, either you're SURE or your not.

*Did it leave a mark? Where is the mark? Do you see the mark?"

Although balls can leave fuzz or marks on dusty hard courts, these marks aren't used as definitive evidence for overruling calls as they are on clay courts. They are used for unofficial reference to yourself that you're being hooked.

* I told them that you can't call something out that you don't see.

Maybe they have eyes behind their heads?


*Which they didn't like and as I was heading back to the fence a ball goes bouncing past me...fairly close.

It's only a fuzzy little ball. I'd say it was a good sign you ****ed them off, what do you expect after questioning so many of their calls even if you were right?--it wasn't a line drive past your ear.

*Later in the match there are more questionable calls but we were beating them so bad that non-obvious cheating couldn't help them win.

How big was the trophy? Did you arm wrestle your sis for it?

*Has anyone here dealt with chronic out-callers? What did you do to resolve the problem? .

YES, all the time, it's called rec/club tennis--cheat 'em back. This is where a club "shot-spot" system would work marvels doing the tennis world a favor improving eyesight. Anyone questioning a call pays $10 for a video review, loser pays.

In all sincerity, thanks and kudos to OP for this post, it's the perfect thread to start the day off here at TT. This should go multiple pages of mirth and merriment and start a slew more of Kentucky messin' with your sister cracks.

You entered a 6.0 "tournament" with your sister--what were you exxxpecting on the other side of the net, Anna Kournikova and Pat Cash? I'm now awake enough to make my coffee and Pop-Tart without injuring myself.

 

[TennisCJC]

The answer is don't play 6.0.

I don't know the answer but this isn't the answer. Some people cheat at all levels including higher levels.

Heck, I was playing practice baseline drills and tie-breakers with a team mate last week. I was giving anything close to him because it was just practice. He made a horrible call on a volley and a couple of other very questionable calls.

Fortunately, it is a small percentage of all the tennis players. My opinion is 90% of the players are very fair, 5% are fair if you question an obvious miss they make, and 5% just cheat. That's about 1 person in 20 that just cheats and I think that is about right.

 

[Turbo-87]

I played a 6.0 mixed tournament match with my sister this past weekend who has just started back playing from 18 years of not playing. We played two people obviously new to tennis.

During one game my sister served and the ball clearly hit right next to the line and left a fuzzy mark. The guy standing up at the net called it out....and I went to look at it and didn't say anything and let them have it. The next game the lady is serving to us I hit a forehand return with a lot of top spin and from my viewpoint it hit clearly inside the baseline. The lady standing behind the baseline jogging towards the fence called the ball out with her back to us and the ball. I asked "How could that be out? Did it leave a mark? Where is the mark? Do you see the mark?". They proceeded to give us the point and I told them that you can't call something out that you don't see. Which they didn't like and as I was heading back to the fence a ball goes bouncing past me...fairly close. Later in the match there are more questionable calls but we were beating them so bad that non-obvious cheating couldn't help them win.

Has anyone here dealt with chronic out-callers? What did you do to resolve the problem? I didn't mean to be mean to them BUT they had called some obviously in shots out that had marks. Also, the person who is calling the shots out does not have a good viewpoint and shouldn't have been the one calling the shot out.

You were definitely mean. When you say, "How could that be out? Did it leave a mark? Where is the mark? Do you see the mark?" I just picture you with your hands on your hips doing the neck thing like you see on Jerry Springer.

Lighten up and enjoy tennis for what it is.

 

[MRfStop]

In all sincerity, thanks and kudos to OP for this post, it's the perfect thread to start the day off here at TT. This should go multiple pages of mirth and merriment and start a slew more of Kentucky messin' with your sister cracks.

You entered a 6.0 "tournament" with your sister--what were you exxxpecting on the other side of the net, Anna Kournikova and Pat Cash? I'm now awake enough to make my coffee and Pop-Tart without injuring myself.

Thanks...I now have soda all over my screen and keyboard...

The only reason I played in a 6.0 mixed tournament was because I wanted to be nice to my (older) sister so that she could play in her first tournament in 20 years.

Oh and it wasn't a USTA sanction tournament so there weren't officials to call over. And I didn't question "calls" I questioned one call :razz:

 

[austintennis2005]

Not according to the USTA Director of Officials, Richard Kaufman:

See http://www.usta.com/Improve-Your-Game/Rules/Feature/0802__bouncing_the_ball__ball_marks/

You cannot make up rules based on the level of play.

first you say its "not definative" then you say its "not allowed" by the rules...have you ever heard of a thing called "common sense"? if in a 3.0 match there is a clear mark touching the edge of the line then that should be disregarded because of some codisil in the rule book that discourages it....think for your self son, you dont need to always blindly follow what some so called authority may suggest and apply to every situation equally

 

[MRfStop]

You were definitely mean. When you say, "How could that be out? Did it leave a mark? Where is the mark? Do you see the mark?" I just picture you with your hands on your hips doing the neck thing like you see on Jerry Springer.

Lighten up and enjoy tennis for what it is.

Yes, that is practically what happened.

I think I was just frustrated with every time I would hit a hard and flat serve in the middle of one of the service lines and the ball pretty much disappears...the returner then hesitates to do anything...then looks at the line blankly...and then says it was out. That has happened to me a lot lately.

 

[sureshs]

During one game my sister served and the ball clearly hit right next to the line and left a fuzzy mark.

What is meant by right next to the line? That usually means it was out. Did you mean next to the line as in on the correct side?

 

[goober]

The answer is don't play 6.0.

Yes I have noticed the lower the level of play the worse the calls in general but I doubt that 7.0 is significantly better. I have also noticed mixed has more bad line callers than other divisions for some reason.

 

[MRfStop]

What is meant by right next to the line? That usually means it was out. Did you mean next to the line as in on the correct side?

Yes, it was right next to the line on the inside of the service box. Clearly in.

 

[McLovin]

first you say its "not definative" then you say its "not allowed" by the rules...have you ever heard of a thing called "common sense"? if in a 3.0 match there is a clear mark touching the edge of the line then that should be disregarded because of some codisil in the rule book that discourages it....think for your self son, you dont need to always blindly follow what some so called authority may suggest and apply to every situation equally

I think you are missing the point. Ball marks on hard courts are not a valid arguing point. Period, end of story.

Having said that, will I use them to correct an 'out' call I have made? Certainly. But I know that is me overriding a rule in favor of my opponent. That is 100% within the rules (check 'The Code', items #6 & 12).

But I do that with the knowledge that my opponent is in no way obligated to reciprocate. Me asking my opponents to "check the mark" on hard courts is not a valid request.

 

[austintennis2005]

I think you are missing the point. Ball marks on hard courts are not a valid arguing point. Period, end of story.

yes they are, Period....end of story

i have used them many times to provide visual evidence of a ball touching the line or being just out.....what is more difinitive someones call made while running at a bad viewpoint angle or physical evidence of a mark on the court....


you continue to blindly follow the rule book and live in a fantasy world and i will continue to use ball marks on the court....cheers

 

[beernutz]

yes they are, Period....end of story

i have used them many times to provide visual evidence of a ball touching the line or being just out.....what is more difinitive someones call made while running at a bad viewpoint angle or physical evidence of a mark on the court....


you continue to blindly follow the rule book and live in a fantasy world and i will continue to use ball marks on the court....cheers

Which other rule book (aka the Code) rules do you choose to disregard because they are inconvenient? Just wondering.

 

[J_R_B]

I don't know the answer but this isn't the answer. Some people cheat at all levels including higher levels.

Heck, I was playing practice baseline drills and tie-breakers with a team mate last week. I was giving anything close to him because it was just practice. He made a horrible call on a volley and a couple of other very questionable calls.

Fortunately, it is a small percentage of all the tennis players. My opinion is 90% of the players are very fair, 5% are fair if you question an obvious miss they make, and 5% just cheat. That's about 1 person in 20 that just cheats and I think that is about right.

This seems more like clueless newbs than outright cheaters. That can be avoided by getting out of 6.0.

 

[McLovin]

yes they are, Period....end of story

So...you're telling me you know better than the USTA Director of Officials, Richard Kaufman?

OK, now who's living in a fantasy world...

 

[tennis tom]

... I have also noticed mixed has more bad line callers than other divisions for some reason.

Yes, it's due to all that estrogen, testosterone, merlot and chardonnay getting mixed up all together.

 

[austintennis2005]

Which other rule book (aka the Code) rules do you choose to disregard because they are inconvenient? Just wondering.

sometimes i take 5 minutes and 10 seconds in warm up instead of 5 minutes...happy now?

you beginners/3.0's need to learn to use a bit of common sense

 

[austintennis2005]

So...you're telling me you know better than the USTA Director of Officials, Richard Kaufman?

OK, now who's living in a fantasy world...

lol...you 3.0's kill me.....

 

[McLovin]

Never mind, he's not worth arguing with...

 

[sureshs]

So...you're telling me you know better than the USTA Director of Officials, Richard Kaufman?

No, he is telling you to use your common sense. If the court is clean and the mark clearly visible, it is an additional data point. The reason for the rule is that courts are often not clean and so there can be doubts about the marks. I will often use ball marks to make sure my out call is correct - if there is a doubt, I will call it in. And no, I don't believe that rec players can make instantaneous calls which are so correct that they have no doubt. Rather, most of the time they call it out and pretend to be sure, which I would rather not do, whatever any book says.

 

[tennis tom]

Thanks...I now have soda all over my screen and keyboard...

Thanks for being a good sport, just kiddin' around, no offense intended, one must be brave and thick-skinned to play at internet message boards.:lol:

 

[MRfStop]

Thanks for being a good sport, just kiddin' around, no offense intended, one must be brave and thick-skinned to play at internet message boards.:lol:

Lol...not a problem. I took it all as one of those *poke fun* posts...and not a bashing of "Why are you playing 3.0 mixed?". I was seeing the humor and sarcasm that I hope was intended in the post about my initial post.

About the ball marks. As I said before it was not a USTA sanctioned tournament. It was just a annual tournament put together by a local guy who has been playing tennis in this area for quite some time. And it helps people qualify for the Banana Open at Hilton Head in October. There were around 140 people who played in it. If I can't see a ball touch a line and the ball leaves a mark outside of the line I'm going to call it out and a lot of other recreational/non-USTA Rulebook readers probably will too.

 

[beernutz]

sometimes i take 5 minutes and 10 seconds in warm up instead of 5 minutes...happy now?

you beginners/3.0's need to learn to use a bit of common sense

Congrats! I think you have the honor of being the username with the earliest TT join date in my ignore list. Maybe they'll make you king or something.

 

[SoCalJay]

I've never played 6.0 doubles but I've come across this in 7.0 and 8.0 doubles, especially when playing with people who don't expect balls with heavy topspin to dive and either clip the back of the baseline or land a few inches more in than that. I never take it personally, though, because I know that those balls can be hard to see sometimes. For me it's always better to maintain mental serenity and just play my game because I have a much better chance at winning if I don't let some botched line calls get in my head.

 

[NLBwell]

The answer is don't play 6.0.

I'd go with this. They are new to tennis and don't appear to grasp a lot of ideas such as the effects of topspin, the importance of making sure of your calls in a sport where you are both player and referee, how to get the balls back to the other side of the court, etc. I'm sure you will run across a lot of this in 6.0 mixed (you sandbagger).

 

[MRfStop]

I'd go with this. They are new to tennis and don't appear to grasp a lot of ideas such as the effects of topspin, the importance of making sure of your calls in a sport where you are both player and referee, how to get the balls back to the other side of the court, etc. I'm sure you will run across a lot of this in 6.0 mixed (you sandbagger).

LOL..."sandbagger"...USTA says I am a 3.0...I'm going to milk it until they bump me to a 3.5 :twisted:

 

[Bionic slice]

ive played enough tennis to know im going to lose some close calls, just get over it, hit inside the lines, and if you still get bad calls or notice a player being a little unfair, im not sure why but i find a lot more than 1 out of 20, lol

 

[Sakkijarvi]

Why they not have 5.0 dubs tournaments?

 

[g4driver]

The answer is don't play 6.0.

Exactly - 6.0 Mixed - painful to play/ worse to watch Got suckered in to that once as a 3.5 guy with a 2.5 lady - I'd rather get bite by a poisonous snake that do that again. A most painful experience. Drama queen 2.5 and 3.0 ladies and their poor 3.0 husbands being suckered into this hell called 6.0 Mixed. It was painful to watch these 3.0 husbands put up with some of their 3.0 wives. I just wanted to quit and grab the guy and say, let's go have a beer without the wives. One 3.0 guy and I became friends and I told him he needs to get bumped ASAP so he can escape 6.0 Mixed Hell - lol

Sure wish mixed were 6.5 / 7.5 / 8.5 / 9.5 / 10.5 - Even if the max differential between players was 1.5

7.5 mixed would even the court out much more than 7.0 where you see 4.0 guys / 3.0 ladies, 3.5/3,5, and occasionally a 4.0 lady / 3.0 guy. There are plenty of 4,0 guys who can hang with the lower level 4.5 guys and having at 3.5 partner on the verge of being bumped to 4.0 makes the 4.0/ 3.5 vs 4.5 /3.0 match better tennis than a 4.0 /3.0 vs 3.5/3.5 IMO.

As a 4.0, I find the 3.5 / 3.5 combos much tougher opponents as both 4.0s pick on the 3.0 players and the court is very unbalanced. 8.0 Mixed gets much better at the 4.0 Level IMO.

7.0 mixed is often times the equivalent of a 4.0 guy / 2.5 guy playing playing a 3.5 guy / 3.0 guy where the 2.5 guy is simply a target.

I think these 0.5 Combos in Mixed would make the courts more balance and I personally would enjoy playing 7.5 Mixed and 8.5 Mixed more so than the current 7.0 / 8.0 mixed

6.5 Mixed would be 3.5 / 3.0 or 4.0 / 2.5
7.5 Mixed would be 4.0 / 3.5 or 4.5 / 3.0
8.5 Mixed would be 4.5 / 4.0 or 5.0 / 3.5
9.5 Mixed would be 5.0 / 4.5 or 5.5 /4.0
10.5 - wow this would be fun to watch with 5.5 /5.0

Am I alone in wishing Mixed would change to 5.5 / 6.5 / 7.5 / 8.5 / 9.5 / 10.5 ?

 

[Turbo-87]

I have to agree that mixed doubles is a mixed bag. I like playing it for the most part, but it can be kind of a drag. At mixed 7, you almost always play a 4.0 guy/3.0 girl combo which makes for a heck of a variety of shots.

 

[sambekzx]

I live close to a state university. The university tennis facility was hosting a 18 Yr. Old Boys National Championships tournament. There were some boys playing from South California and Texas. The matches looked loosely supervised and the players were calling the outs. As I was passing by to pickup my racquet from a string job, I stopped to watch one ongoing match. I was horrified to see one kid repeatedly calling balls out that were clearly in by a large margin (2-3 inches). It was not even on the line. I don't know if challenges were allowed, but with no official calling the points, the other player was basically at his mercy. I could only shake my head that such rampant cheating was taking place among such young, promising players. So sad.

 

[g4driver]

I have to agree that mixed doubles is a mixed bag. I like playing it for the most part, but it can be kind of a drag. At mixed 7, you almost always play a 4.0 guy/3.0 girl combo which makes for a heck of a variety of shots.

Which is why I think 6.5 / 7.5 / 8.5 / 9.5 / 10.5 would be better for everyone.

Not sure who at the USTA thought 7.0 (where you get upper level 4.0 guys ) works great.

I get that 6.0 works because both players don't have a lot of pace, but at 8.0 and 7.0, with 7.0 being the worst as far a variety of skill and shots, the difference between a mid-level 3.0 lady and a upper level 4.0 guy is substantial. At 8.0, you get upper level 4.5 guys hitting to 3.5 ladys, which is crazy to watch.

 

[Turbo-87]

Which is why I think 6.5 / 7.5 / 8.5 / 9.5 / 10.5 would be better for everyone.

Not sure who at the USTA thought 7.0 (where you get upper level 4.0 guys ) works great.

I get that 6.0 works because both players don't have a lot of pace, but at 8.0 and 7.0, with 7.0 being the worst as far a variety of skill and shots, the difference between a mid-level 3.0 lady and a upper level 4.0 guy is substantial. At 8.0, you get upper level 4.5 guys hitting to 3.5 ladys, which is crazy to watch.

I totally get your point. I am a 3.5 and am always having to deal with a high 4.0 guy. I just don't have the skills for that. The best time I ever had playing mixed 7 was when I was rated 3.0 playing with a high 4.0 girl. We rocked because she was very good and could hold her own against the guy all of the time.

 

[MRfStop]

Exactly - 6.0 Mixed - painful to play/ worse to watch Got suckered in to that once as a 3.5 guy with a 2.5 lady - I'd rather get bite by a poisonous snake that do that again. A most painful experience. Drama queen 2.5 and 3.0 ladies and their poor 3.0 husbands being suckered into this hell called 6.0 Mixed. It was painful to watch these 3.0 husbands put up with some of their 3.0 wives. I just wanted to quit and grab the guy and say, let's go have a beer without the wives. One 3.0 guy and I became friends and I told him he needs to get bumped ASAP so he can escape 6.0 Mixed Hell - lol

Sure wish mixed were 6.5 / 7.5 / 8.5 / 9.5 / 10.5 - Even if the max differential between players was 1.5

7.5 mixed would even the court out much more than 7.0 where you see 4.0 guys / 3.0 ladies, 3.5/3,5, and occasionally a 4.0 lady / 3.0 guy. There are plenty of 4,0 guys who can hang with the lower level 4.5 guys and having at 3.5 partner on the verge of being bumped to 4.0 makes the 4.0/ 3.5 vs 4.5 /3.0 match better tennis than a 4.0 /3.0 vs 3.5/3.5 IMO.

As a 4.0, I find the 3.5 / 3.5 combos much tougher opponents as both 4.0s pick on the 3.0 players and the court is very unbalanced. 8.0 Mixed gets much better at the 4.0 Level IMO.

7.0 mixed is often times the equivalent of a 4.0 guy / 2.5 guy playing playing a 3.5 guy / 3.0 guy where the 2.5 guy is simply a target.

I think these 0.5 Combos in Mixed would make the courts more balance and I personally would enjoy playing 7.5 Mixed and 8.5 Mixed more so than the current 7.0 / 8.0 mixed

6.5 Mixed would be 3.5 / 3.0 or 4.0 / 2.5
7.5 Mixed would be 4.0 / 3.5 or 4.5 / 3.0
8.5 Mixed would be 4.5 / 4.0 or 5.0 / 3.5
9.5 Mixed would be 5.0 / 4.5 or 5.5 /4.0
10.5 - wow this would be fun to watch with 5.5 /5.0

Am I alone in wishing Mixed would change to 5.5 / 6.5 / 7.5 / 8.5 / 9.5 / 10.5 ?

I totally agree with you on this. I have played people who run from the ad side to the deuce side in front of the lady at the baseline to return my service return. Not allowing the 3.0 lady to hit anything back.

My sister has been out of tennis going on 17 years. Back then she did the drills and the lessons and became pretty good and then gave it up. A couple of months ago she rated herself at a 3.0 and she played her first league on a 6.5 combo team. She won all of the matches she played except for one match. The ladies that she played have been playing at the 3.0 and 3.5 for a while and after their match they would be mad at her and showed resentment during the match and when it came time to shake hands because they got their butt kicked.

My sister and I played the final against a guy that I know that plays 3.0 here and his wife who also plays 3.0 as well. We won easily 6-3 6-2. Even though we won the 6.0 tournament and qualified for the Banana Open at Hilton Head the win was not gratifying at all. My effort was around 65-70% on all my strokes. My serve I just spun in and my returns I just put it in the court. I did not hit with pace and I just worked on placing my forehand with topspin and did the same thing on the back hand side. During the match any bad shot the husband hit he got an ear full from his wife. After the match the wife went over to her friends watch and I heard her mention "She isn't a 3.0...there's no way she's a 3.0". I think it's funny that someone that is at a 3.0 level would rather blame the person who beat them for their loss rather than blaming it on the amount of balls they got back. Also, saying that the person who beat them is clearly not at the level that they say they are.

 

[beernutz]

Just say no to mixed doubles.

 

[Turbo-87]

Just say no to mixed doubles.

It is kind of hard to when your partner is hot.

 

[beernutz]

It is kind of hard to when your partner is hot.

Well at least play hard to get.

 

[tennisgotomarket]

The answer is don't play 6.0.

agree, 10 caracters

 

[newpball]

"I went to look at it" means I could see where it landed from the other side of net where I was standing..I closer to the net to see if there was mark and it turned out that there was in fact a mark. If the mark wasn't there I could still tell that it was in hitting on the inside of the outer service line.

You can see ball marks on hard court near the baseline on the opposite site of the net?

Yeah sure, you must have bionic eyes!

:grin:

 

[hoodjem]

I played a 6.0 mixed tournament match with my sister this past weekend who has just started back playing from 18 years of not playing. We played two people obviously new to tennis.

During one game my sister served and the ball clearly hit right next to the line and left a fuzzy mark. The guy standing up at the net called it out....and I went to look at it and didn't say anything and let them have it. The next game the lady is serving to us I hit a forehand return with a lot of top spin and from my viewpoint it hit clearly inside the baseline. The lady standing behind the baseline jogging towards the fence called the ball out with her back to us and the ball. I asked "How could that be out? Did it leave a mark? Where is the mark? Do you see the mark?". They proceeded to give us the point and I told them that you can't call something out that you don't see. Which they didn't like and as I was heading back to the fence a ball goes bouncing past me...fairly close. Later in the match there are more questionable calls but we were beating them so bad that non-obvious cheating couldn't help them win.

Has anyone here dealt with chronic out-callers? What did you do to resolve the problem? I didn't mean to be mean to them BUT they had called some obviously in shots out that had marks. Also, the person who is calling the shots out does not have a good viewpoint and shouldn't have been the one calling the shot out.

They are/were unfamiliar with topspin. The ball probably looked like it was going way out then dropped down and in.

Bad call on their part. The should watch the ball hit--not just the initial trajectory.

 

[skiracer55]

I'll go you one better...

The answer is don't play 6.0.

...don't play NTRP....

 

[beernutz]

...don't play NTRP....

The OP's tournament was not USTA.