I thought this was a good vid
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Good video.
What he is talking about called timing.
Timing wrist with the rest of kinetic chain.
But there is not much of the forearm muscles action. It is purely timing wrist with legs.
And yes he is right saying the kinetic chain learning should be started with the wrist. No wrist no kinetic chain.
What he is talking about called timing.
Timing wrist with the rest of kinetic chain.
But there is not much of the forearm muscles action. It is purely timing wrist with legs.
And yes he is right saying the kinetic chain learning should be started with the wrist. No wrist no kinetic chain.
heninfan99
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Some people don't like this guys videos because of the presentation but he has some good insights.
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Dragy
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How can I like him if he says "Now I literally move just my wrist..." and then demonstrate this:
Funny stuff, when a guy demonstrates live and is unaware what exactly happens, it's understandable. But when he films himself and publishes a video... cmon
ByeByePoly
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I can't feel the tip 
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Shroud
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Thats what she said...I can't feel the tip
ByeByePoly
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btw ... watched Fleabag season 1 Sat afternoon ... funny but pretty whack.
sovertennis
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He goes on a bit too much, but I also like the video. Thanks for posting
Shroud
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yep. That is why I liked it.
Keendog
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RajS
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Hey, those are the courts where I usually play! I have seen many coaches there but not this gentleman. He has great insight, but sorry folks, I will have to quickly forget what I saw, lol! I am just beginning to appreciate the joys of being very relaxed and loose, and don't want to start muscling the ball with my forearm.
Mongolmike
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I am obligated to give a "Like" to Monty Python videos. I don't want to argue about it.
Shroud
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No I didnt
Shroud
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Weird man. Stalk him and find out. I dont think he is saying to muscle or to stop being loose.
S&V-not_dead_yet
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Yes you do!
RajS
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I will keep an eye out for him. I got the impression that he was emphasizing using the small muscles of the forearm consciously to generate racket speed, which would involve too much retraining for me because I make the whole arm go limp during the stroke (at least, that is my intention). By the time I get the timing with his method, my wife will have confiscated my tennis equipment and limited my exercise regime to just walking with her... ha ha!
Keendog
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Did he pinch your girlfriend or something?
Rafedovic
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No he didn’t
SystemicAnomaly
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rogerroger917
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Hack. Try using only your wrist on the run hitting 5 balls at pace at a advanced tennis level. Say 5.0 . The reason the coaches stress big muscles kinetic chain is to be able to move fast, stop, and hit properly with a repeatable contact point.
But yes there is elements of wrist in any shot. It is part of our arm after all.
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But yes there is elements of wrist in any shot. It is part of our arm after all.
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SystemicAnomaly
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MgRi huh? Have not seen this term prior to this.
Racket physics? Is this what you're talking about?
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heninfan99
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Yes this looks funny but his video on Cracking The Whip is very good and his interview with a Stanford player on how he became great without home schooling and going to a academy is amazing.How can I like him if he says "Now I literally move just my wrist..." and then demonstrate this:
Funny stuff, when a guy demonstrates live and is unaware what exactly happens, it's understandable. But when he films himself and publishes a video... cmon
We can always find some little bit we don't agree with, esp in tennis.
dominikk1985
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Some movements look like wrist movements and are rotations of the forearm and arm, although it is not totally pure and the wrist will be less laid back at contact than at max lag.
I believe most of the wrist movements are arm rotations but I also don't believe into those extreme robot models that say the legs and trunk rotates and everything else is just elastic energy.
A lot is elastic energy but if it was 100% passive you could just tell a beginner to rotate his body, relax his arm and his mechanics are going to be fine.
Sure a lot is elastic energy but there are also some well timed active contractions needed to control the stroke but this doesn't mean you muscle the racket with the arm.
I believe most of the wrist movements are arm rotations but I also don't believe into those extreme robot models that say the legs and trunk rotates and everything else is just elastic energy.
A lot is elastic energy but if it was 100% passive you could just tell a beginner to rotate his body, relax his arm and his mechanics are going to be fine.
Sure a lot is elastic energy but there are also some well timed active contractions needed to control the stroke but this doesn't mean you muscle the racket with the arm.
SystemicAnomaly
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^ Yup. Much of what coaches and TV tennis commentators attribute to the wrist are really pronations & supinations of the forearm. These are not articulations of the wrist -- at all. It's the muscles of the forearm are turning the hand. The wrist can be flexed, extended or (radial &ulnar) deviated but it is not responsible for turning the hand.
Dragy
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Exactly, in a good stroke you use lots of smaller muscles to control timing and channelling of power produced by big muscles, as well as set up your body before major power generation phases.
Dragy
Legend
That’s quite legit, and I also think one can learn from what he demonstrates, but not from what he says. The key issue I see is possible when a player tries to bump up the power: if he’s convinced to “use” his wrist, he’s likely to do wrong stuff to get more power. If he’s instructed to use leg push and torso rotation while keeping loose/smooth wrist action to time and channel that power for the right moment via flip (lag and release), he has chances to succeed.
RajS
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To the extent that tennis strokes are similar to throws (or similar to underarm pitches as in softball for the forehand), one can consider how much and what the body & shoulder contribute versus the wrist. By being limp (except maybe for an initial/unconscious activation to get things going), the wrist just absorbs the power from the body, and the associated muscles should just get out of the way lest they slow things down... at least, that is my "working" model now. I know it is more complex because the small muscles kick in for control and stabilization, but luckily all of it happens without us having to "think it out."
Dan Huben
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You don’t consciously control your movements to a high or low level. You train the movement. The swing happens too fast for you to fire a muscle a ‘x’ moment for something to happen.
Your brain trains the sequence that you consciously and unconsciously put in there but you don’t control it. and when you throw a ball your conscious mind knows what it is supposed to look like and your brain self corrects as you go and repeat.
You may select the shot to fire, you may influence the calculation through thought but you’re on muscle memory most of the shot. That’s why shadow swings and progressions are important training and habit breaking tools
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Your brain trains the sequence that you consciously and unconsciously put in there but you don’t control it. and when you throw a ball your conscious mind knows what it is supposed to look like and your brain self corrects as you go and repeat.
You may select the shot to fire, you may influence the calculation through thought but you’re on muscle memory most of the shot. That’s why shadow swings and progressions are important training and habit breaking tools
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Mongolmike
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No. I really don't.
J011yroger
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I wouldn't have thought it possible to fit that much wrong instruction in 16 minutes.
When he was showing how much power he could generate on put away balls and was being fed mid court sitters and they were bouncing twice before the fence, that should be a clue that whatever you are doing isn't working.
Dude basically said I can relate to you guys because I can't play tennis either.
J
When he was showing how much power he could generate on put away balls and was being fed mid court sitters and they were bouncing twice before the fence, that should be a clue that whatever you are doing isn't working.
Dude basically said I can relate to you guys because I can't play tennis either.
J
ByeByePoly
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That is a pretty good definition of ttw ... "arguing in our free time".
This reminds me that the "Larry David is god" thread was blasphemy ... Monty Python is the one true god.
Shroud
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"walking"?? Is that what the kids are calling it these days??
ByeByePoly
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You mean like voting for the guy you would rather have a beer with? In my analogy here ... are you an irritating elite or a skilled surgeon?
I get so confused now ... that damn damensia
Shroud
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Its a fair point. He is not a tennis god but did you see kyrios in that vid? I think there is something to that small muscle thing and you can hear in the vid the ball tags the fence off the bounce.
Shroud
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Olds Timers is getting you. Eat more healthy fat dude.You mean like voting for the guy you would rather have a beer with? In my analogy here ... are you an irritating elite or a skilled surgeon?
I get so confused now ... that damn damensia
ByeByePoly
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No ... it is literally walking with dogs with embarrassing harnesses and leashes, with the wife around a pond with geese and ducks. Not a leash on you ... sick puppy.
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Shroud
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Its not J011ys fault Kyrgios is doing it all wrong...
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eat a fat dude! OMG what is wrong with you?
btw ... funniest line in Fleabag season 1:
"Is my ahole huge" ?
ByeByePoly
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I would rather have a beer with elite Jolly than the average batshit crazy dude Kyrgios.
Shroud
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lmao. That was indeed the best line.eat a fat dude! OMG what is wrong with you?
btw ... funniest line in Fleabag season 1:
"Is my ahole huge" ?
J011yroger
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Shroud
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1st off this is some hack who mowed his back yard and hand drew lines on the ground. Probably lifted the net from the public courts.
Did you see the kyrigios fh in that vid. iT was NOT The normal fh. It was his "I wish I could hit like j011y and here is my attempt" fh. Was a rocket.
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user92626
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I can't feel the tip
BBP,
Are you so bored and so good with tennis craps that you have to entertain yourself with other things?
Me too. LOL
How the phukkkk do folks constantly find technical things to talk about?
It's the same stupid ground strokes, server and volley that they been doing for years, no?
ByeByePoly
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BBP,
Are you so bored and so good with tennis craps that you have to entertain yourself with other things?
Me too. LOL
How the phukkkk do folks constantly find technical things to talk about?
I am a bit anal/funny phukkkker bipolar ... hence the range between lame ot jokes and the 12 reasons a hand might move in a tennis stroke.
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