kalyan4fedever
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murray won one slam in horrible weather conditions. STANIMALS game is any time better than PUSHER MURRAYS #fact
If Wawrinka wins tomorrow, he'll have a better career than Murray
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heninfan99
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Don't be dour muzzards. Join us in our celebrations. You are welcome. I have a banana for each of you!
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Nathaniel_Near
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Well on clay Stan's best is better but Murray has got the grass level hands down. EZ. He's even managed to slaughter Federer in straights on grass.
heninfan99
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Agreed but Stan is better right now on hard courts when he's in Stanimal mode.
No question there.
No question there.
heninfan99
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No Most Murray fans are a bunch of Xenophobes.
I LOVED Henman and quite like the young Edmond --they actually play(ed) offense. HAHAHA
I LOVED Henman and quite like the young Edmond --they actually play(ed) offense. HAHAHA
Rebel-I.N.S
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Preach brother!
We need a Muzziah thread for the Grass court season...
Also, I was posting in the match thread.
Delighted for Stan but he does have Murray's legacy quite yet.
Fate Archer
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Dont worry OP. Wimbledon is on the horizon for the highlander. But if he doesn't get his act together, at this rate Stan might grant your 'wish' and surpass him soon enough.
This has turned into matter of debate now. Good thread TRMR.
With this win Wawr belongs to same tier as that of Hewitt, Murray with 2 GS titles to each. Currently I put Hewitt and Murray above him due to their superior achievements outside of GS tournaments but if he wins another one, I will put him ahead of both Hewitt and Murray.
He don't posses consistency of Murray, he is a late bloomer. He spent his career till late twenties doing absolutely nothing considering special talent. He just had 4 ATP 250 level titles heading to his breakthrough win but his coach Norman (Former coach of Robin Sod.) shaped him from random top 20-30 player to multiple GS champion. His level on slow surfaces is scary, one of the highest levels in this era but still grossly underrated by many. In his both GS winning runs, he defeated 2 members of Big 3 and 3 Top 10 players in each. Just by comparing by sheer level of play and level of difficulty of opponents faced, I think his GS wins are more impressive than Murray's.
With this win Wawr belongs to same tier as that of Hewitt, Murray with 2 GS titles to each. Currently I put Hewitt and Murray above him due to their superior achievements outside of GS tournaments but if he wins another one, I will put him ahead of both Hewitt and Murray.
He don't posses consistency of Murray, he is a late bloomer. He spent his career till late twenties doing absolutely nothing considering special talent. He just had 4 ATP 250 level titles heading to his breakthrough win but his coach Norman (Former coach of Robin Sod.) shaped him from random top 20-30 player to multiple GS champion. His level on slow surfaces is scary, one of the highest levels in this era but still grossly underrated by many. In his both GS winning runs, he defeated 2 members of Big 3 and 3 Top 10 players in each. Just by comparing by sheer level of play and level of difficulty of opponents faced, I think his GS wins are more impressive than Murray's.
RS92
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Stan 2 years older than Murray. When both careers are over, we will see who had a better career.
At the moment what do you prefer if you were a professional tennis player?
At 28 years: 33 titles (2/6 in majors finals, 1 singles gold medal, 10 m1000, world number 2 best ranking, in the top 4 since 2008)
or
At 30 years: 10 titles (2/0 in majors finals, 1 m1000, 1 doubles gold medal, 1 davis cup, world number 3 best ranking)
I prefer Murray's career.. But if Wawrinka wins another GS and Murray doesn't, i will have my doubts.
At the moment what do you prefer if you were a professional tennis player?
At 28 years: 33 titles (2/6 in majors finals, 1 singles gold medal, 10 m1000, world number 2 best ranking, in the top 4 since 2008)
or
At 30 years: 10 titles (2/0 in majors finals, 1 m1000, 1 doubles gold medal, 1 davis cup, world number 3 best ranking)
I prefer Murray's career.. But if Wawrinka wins another GS and Murray doesn't, i will have my doubts.
Rebel-I.N.S
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Disagree.
Murray overcame huge pressure/adversity to win his first slam.
Then to rebound and Wimbledon under immense pressure against a former champion and World Number 1 (in straight sets) is huge.
Murray will always be underrated on here.
Of all the 2 slam winners, Stan is arguably the most impressive in history. He had to face a much tougher players and all of them have a huge H2H over him.
Anti-Fedal
Professional
He's a better player than Murray, no doubt about that. The man is an absolute joy to watch when he's zoning. Attacking tennis at it's absolute best.
heninfan99
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...and the French is by far the most difficult to win in all aspects.
Rebel-I.N.S
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If he is a better player than Murray, why does Murray (who is 2 years younger) have 23 more career titles?
Surely if there is "no doubt" then Stan should easily eclipse Murray's title count?
HipRotation
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He's knocking on Patrick Rafter-tier really
Krish872007
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LOL! Let's not go overboard here - aside from Slams, where they are equal, Murray has proven himself to be better in every other category
abmk
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better than rafter by a big distance now IMO ..
beat djokovic,in-form berdych and nadal at the AO ...
beat federer, tsonga and djokovic at the FO ...
rafter's wins at the USO pale in comparison IMO ....
most impressive of rafter's wins was over sampras ( who injured himself ) in USO 97 ... which honestly doesn't even come close to stan's win at the AO in 14 ...
llodra_fan
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At his best, Stan is better than Andy. However, to even match the career Andy has had so far, Stan needs to win a few more M1000 titles + 1-2 slam to make up for the number of titles and consistency.
RS92
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No is not, heninfan99
RS92
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So the masters 1000 doesn't matter at all. Wow.
Wawrinka trumps Murray :lol:
Wawrinka with 30 years has 2 slams
Murray with 28 years has 2 slams
heninfan99
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Bukmeikara
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The French has the most one time winners so technicaly it is the easiest to win.
heninfan99
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Listen, before you get butthurt
Stan has not equaled Murray's stats YET.
Right now it's the Better Player vs. The Better Stats.
Stan is going for big ticket items. If he gets the WTF his career will be Murray's equal.
After today's legendary classic and Stan's level he can win a 3rd slam.
Murray, you will admit, went down meekly. Not a good sign.
Stan has not equaled Murray's stats YET.
Right now it's the Better Player vs. The Better Stats.
Stan is going for big ticket items. If he gets the WTF his career will be Murray's equal.
After today's legendary classic and Stan's level he can win a 3rd slam.
Murray, you will admit, went down meekly. Not a good sign.
heninfan99
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Mainad
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Senti, I didn't mean to imply all posters of Indian background are like that. Yourself and Sureshs and others definitely represent the majority on here. You are both great posters. But I have noticed, certainly in the past, that many of the Murray haters on here have some sort of Indian background. Kishnabe comes to mind (or at least he used to be) and I forget the names of the others. I think kalyanforfedever is another(I think many have since been mercifully banned).
I have noticed this with some posters of Canadian background as well (again, not all by any means) but I admit I have come up against them largely on other boards I have posted on. The OP is the only full-blown Murray-hating troll I have encountered on here who is Canadian.
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heninfan99
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^^only Murray fans are obsessed with a poster's country of origin. It's a terrible, xenophobic trait but they call us all anglophobic if we prefer other players. ...
RS92
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No. Gaudio won this tournament. This is not the most difficult!!
Is your opinion that is the most difficult, mine is that is not.
RS92
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You have your butt hurt trying to explain something stupid.
Let's speak after Wimbledon, if Murray fails in wimbledon, you are going to be right. Butt hurt henin.
Why would i be angry? Because you and other people think that Wawrinka's career is better than Murray's?? And you are talking like if both players are retired. Murray has at least 5-6 years to win more majors, and wawrinka 3-4 (unless both after 33-34 are good physically) .
I really don't care what you think. Im proud of Murray's career so far, and he has still a lot of time to keep winning big things.
So butt hurt, go and watch WTA.
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Krish872007
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I spoke about things "aside from Slams", taking into account the fact that they both have the same number of Slam titles.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Every slam has their surprising winners, Gaudio was #5 in the world. Hell, Murray even won Wimbledon.
You told me Wawrinka was going to get destroyed today.
So your opinions are worthless ATM
You told me Wawrinka was going to get destroyed today.
So your opinions are worthless ATM
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Krish872007
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Don't feed the troll. Stan was fantastic today, but comparing his overall career to Murray's is ludicrous at this stage.
heninfan99
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No offense but you're very childish.
Sending complimentary butthurt cream, grow up soon.
Sending complimentary butthurt cream, grow up soon.
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Nathaniel_Near
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Mainad, a lot of them also have a British background.
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King Fed WW
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Britain's colonial history has made them a lot of enemies.
RS92
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No offense but you're very childish.
Sending complimentary butthurt cream, grow up soon.
Y vos sos un virgo, culo roto.
No offense
RS92
Hall of Fame
When did i say that??? Nabo. The only thing that i said here was that Djokovic was going to win in 5 sets for me. Maybe you are too stupid and you don't remember who said that, because i didn't say anything like that. Boludo
Murray was the world number 2 when he won Wimbledon, and the US Open 2012 winner.
Gaudio was nothing in 2004, he wasn't a favourite, he didn't win anything big until RG, he didn't beat any TOP TOP player. So you can't compare.
Go and watch WTA.
Did you know anything about tennis?
Stupid question.
Culo roto.
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Krish872007
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Quick question: are you the guy who made the tennis highlights videos on youtube? (Most Murray ones) - I think your name is familiar?
RS92
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He doesn't know anything.
He compare Gaudio with Murray :lol:
I didn't know he was so stupid.
heninfan99
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The better player...soon to have more big ticket items
Yonex sponsored buttcream available late '15 for sore losers.
NatF
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I guess you'll agree then that Nadal is the better player than Federer
...17>14
3moreslams
Krish872007
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Murray > Wawrinka career wise (maybe Stan > Murray peak for peak, but that's about it)
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The better player...soon to have more big ticket items
Yonex sponsored buttcream available late '15 for sore losers.
Just watch the sales for those shorts rocket now
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Nathaniel_Near
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It's amazing what winning will do.
I now LIKE Stan's kit. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I now LIKE Stan's kit. :lol: :lol: :lol:
