dominikk1985
Legend
you are correct that is an revolution. there have not been any tall servers in the 90s. all have been small grinders
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I'm surprised there is not one thread about Jerzy Janowicz!
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you are correct that is an revolution. there have not been any tall servers in the 90s. all have been small grinders
.tistrapukcipeht
Professional
1- Yes He has, and how much effort took out of him to do that?? Reportedly they were also half injured, at the end, did Ferrer win a Slam?? No, I'm talking about slams and chances to dominate, all top 4 move better and are faster than Ferrer, whom is shorter and is probably one of the best movers and more consistent players out there, don't take me wrong, Like everybody else, I also think Ferrer is an example of a tennis player in the highest regards.
2- Correct, they don't move nearly as well as Ferrer does, but they don't need they have other weapons, all they need is to move well, not extremely well, but their margin for improvement will be so much higher speacially at the age they are, when they get to 25-26 (age most are playing their best) they will be in such level, I personally can;t wait for that to happen in 3-4 years for now if they keep working at it.
3- Federer used to take advantage of them with low slices on their back hand and making them hit a shot off a slice on the run, most of them now grow up practicing against low slices, so low slice is no longer a big problem to tall players plus they're also learning how to slice so they can counter attack with the slice back.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
From wiki: Polish pronunciation: [ˈjɛʐɨ jaˈnɔvit͡ʂ]
I'd say it's tough to pronounce it the same way you do in Polish as there is no equivalent for "rz".
There you go - that's exactly the way it should sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zGaZr9LUNI#t=18s
Automatix
Legend
Yeah, well in the interview he is talking about his nickname - Jerzyk.
Jerzy.
"J" is pronounced as "Y" in, I don't know, Yeti?
The "rz" is a tough part for english speakers.
Everyone knows how to pronounce Jean in French. And the "J" pronouncation is probably the closest to the "rz" sound in Polish.
Or just listen:
http://translate.google.com/#pl/en/Jerzy
Jerzy.
"J" is pronounced as "Y" in, I don't know, Yeti?
The "rz" is a tough part for english speakers.
Everyone knows how to pronounce Jean in French. And the "J" pronouncation is probably the closest to the "rz" sound in Polish.
Or just listen:
http://translate.google.com/#pl/en/Jerzy
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
We are just seeing now an example, at the end of the day the short guy will mostly lose most of time.
I remember seeing him beat Gulbis in Wimbledon I saw how huge his game is, 4 months later, here He is, beating top 10 , new champion has arrived guys.
BTW He looks like the tall guy from "Jack the Ripper"
I remember seeing him beat Gulbis in Wimbledon I saw how huge his game is, 4 months later, here He is, beating top 10 , new champion has arrived guys.
BTW He looks like the tall guy from "Jack the Ripper"
mental midget
Hall of Fame
he appears to have short arms for a tall person, which helps his consistency off the ground. JJ moves like he's 6'4 and has touch. he is going to be a problem for people. will most likely win wimbledon next year.
Clarky21
Banned
Sarcasm? I hope so or else the hype machine is already going into overload when it comes to this guy.
uncooling
Semi-Pro
There's no way his 1st serve is the 2nd best on tour. players like Isner, Karlovic, or Raonic can all hit harder than him, and have better serve placement.
Also, Raonic has more variety in his serve- kick, slice, topspin, and flat. That makes it more difficult to return. Janowicz is lacking variety, and angles in his serve, yet his serve is slower than the top three i mentioned above.
If you simply look at serve statistics (#of ace per match, serve % won, # of serves held per match), you can see he's not even close to the top 5 in serve.
What caught my eyes from his match was his movement as a big guy, and consistency in his shots (including drop shot), not the serve.
Of course he has a good serve, but you can't call that a 2nd best on Tour.
Agree that his serve is not as good as those 3 guys, but you are wrong in 1 very important aspect - his 1st serve is together with Raonic hardest on the tour right now - both of them are hitting regularly 1st serves if flat 220-230 kph or even bigger, Karlovic is nowhere near those numbers lately - his serve declined visibly - Isner is capable of hitting, but he mostly takes some pace off and gives spin + he is going for FS%. Right now Janowicz´s 1st serve is hardest together with Milos - pace wise, but agree his placement is not so good + he is moving around baseline when serving so you can predict his serves
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15_ounce
Guest
One thing is for sure he made Janko a little bit tipsy in the end....:twisted:
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Guest
Jerzy is actually a pretty good player. He's got a lot of potential.
PeteD
Legend
I found some stats on Jerzy. He has beaten several good players:
2010 2010-08-25 Us Open Qualifying
Round 1 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Nielsen, Frederik (6-4 6-3)
Round 2 Haider-Maurer, Andreas d. Janowicz, Jerzy (7-6(4) 6-4)
2011 2011-08-01 Kitzbühel
Round 1 Souza, Joao d. Janowicz, Jerzy (6-3 4-6 7-6(3))
2012 2012-06-25 Wimbledon
Round 1 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Bolelli, Simone (3-6 6-3 6-3 6-3)
Round 2 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Gulbis, Ernests (2-6 6-4 3-6 7-6(2) 9-7)
Round 3 Mayer, Florian d. Janowicz, Jerzy (7-6(5) 3-6 2-6 6-3 7-5)
2012 2012-08-27 US Open
Round 1 Novikov, Dennis d. Janowicz, Jerzy (6-2 7-6(6) 3-6 6-3)
2012 2012-10-15 Kremlin Cup
Round 1 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Becker, Benjamin (7-6(6) 6-3)
Round 2 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Berlocq, Carlos (6-3 6-4)
Quarterfinals Bellucci, Thomaz d. Janowicz, Jerzy (6-4 7-6(3))
2010 2010-08-25 Us Open Qualifying
Round 1 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Nielsen, Frederik (6-4 6-3)
Round 2 Haider-Maurer, Andreas d. Janowicz, Jerzy (7-6(4) 6-4)
2011 2011-08-01 Kitzbühel
Round 1 Souza, Joao d. Janowicz, Jerzy (6-3 4-6 7-6(3))
2012 2012-06-25 Wimbledon
Round 1 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Bolelli, Simone (3-6 6-3 6-3 6-3)
Round 2 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Gulbis, Ernests (2-6 6-4 3-6 7-6(2) 9-7)
Round 3 Mayer, Florian d. Janowicz, Jerzy (7-6(5) 3-6 2-6 6-3 7-5)
2012 2012-08-27 US Open
Round 1 Novikov, Dennis d. Janowicz, Jerzy (6-2 7-6(6) 3-6 6-3)
2012 2012-10-15 Kremlin Cup
Round 1 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Becker, Benjamin (7-6(6) 6-3)
Round 2 Janowicz, Jerzy d. Berlocq, Carlos (6-3 6-4)
Quarterfinals Bellucci, Thomaz d. Janowicz, Jerzy (6-4 7-6(3))
uncooling
Semi-Pro
Yep, it's not just about the speed. That's why I think he's nowhere close to the Top 3. He's serve is predictable and people will read his serve much better. On the other hand, Raonic uses the same toss to hit 4 different serves.
You can't just talk about the speed. Btw, Raonic has been hitting over 240 kph comfortably in almost every tournament he entered this year. I think he hit 156 mph twice this year and many 150s. You can't say they're at the same level when talking about serve speed.
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
You clearly haven't seen his showing against Murray (2nd best returner on ATP).
That's why I said his 1st serve is the 2nd best, I still think Raonic has the best overall, but his second serve is better than Raonic's, it matches in how high it jumps but He can also kick on the forehand and He also has the slice 2nd serve, He even aced Murray a couple of times with the 2nd serve, now doing that to Murray and Djokovic is something.
Most of the aces He hit against Murray was the slice out wide against Murray's forehand, Murray got to a point He camped there to try to return, the serve had so much curve that Murray couldn't return many of them even being there and waiting for the serve.
Speed??? Again you have no idea about his serve, have you even seen the guy in action?? He has the fastest serve of the tournament, He's been clocking between 225-235 KM/H entire week, Isner barely gets there, Karlovic not even close, Raonic is the only other guy with a CANNON like that.
He hit 22 aces against Murray.
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
Players get better, He has a lot more potential than anybody else right now, He is pretty young, with more experience, more endurance, stronger and working on the technique of the forehand, He will be a tough guy.
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
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15_ounce
Guest
I don't know why but he looks a bit like Schiavone.... his eyes, broad upper gum when he smiles, the grunt when he serves.. He could be her distant relative.... even the racquet look almost the same as Schiavone's. Of course their game is completely different and you can not compare it.
helloworld
Hall of Fame
Who cares about his looks? I'm only interested in his unique game! The guy has huge serve, tall as a tree, but moves like water. And that drop shot(s) was hillarious!
Rozroz
G.O.A.T.
Who cares about his looks? I'm only interested in his unique game! The guy has huge serve, tall as a tree, but moves like water. And that drop shot(s) was hillarious!
that's the point. he has that edge on him that just makes him fun to watch,
serve monster or not.
i can try to give a 1-10 on interest level:
Jerzy- 7
Raonic- 5
Isner- 2
all the rest: 1-2
I know exactly what i am talking about i am watching RAonic very closely, one of my favourite plaers and i am checking every serve statistsic, ,aces, kph-mph and so on i just like it - so i know exactly what i am talking if i say JErzy is hitting as hard as Milos - you probably need to watch more of his matches.
Milos is not hitting over 240 kph comfortably, his fastest in Bercy was i think 238kph, but mostly he was in that 220-232kph big flat bombs how i mentioned
Milos´s fastest slam serve is from RG this year 237kph, and in most tournametn - Chennai, Barcelona, Halle + Masters 1000 events just anywehere 230kph+ are his biggest bombs, just those numbers from San Jose and Memphis are bigger every year, he had there 140mph + something nonstop and even 150+ some serves - but just those 2 events, normally he is not hitting that hard - so they have either different balls there or those speed guns are bad.
Janowicz if you want to point out Milos in San Jose - than Janowicz hit 251kph in challenger in Poznan i think - simply some indoor events either balls or speed guns wrong, but at biggest events or in outdoor conditions both guys 230kph + somethins regularly maximum , up to 240kph biggest bombs - rarely - how i mentinoed slam wise 237kph at RG is fastest serve by anyone this year at slam tournaments.
uncooling
Semi-Pro
You clearly haven't seen many matched Raonic played this year. I can't understand how Janowicz has a better 2nd serve than Raonic!
Raonic is considered the best 2nd serve hitter in ATP right now..
He regularly hits 130mph+ 2nd serve and usually ace his opponents with 2nd serves.
I've seen Janowicz play this whole week, and I think Raonic has more kicks in his 2nd serve- bounces much higher. Angle-wise, Raonic is still better. He can easily ace his opponents with his kick serve- which normally is a shot players use to come to the net, but his 2nd serve is so fast it usually result in aces.
I've seen both guys play this year, and have no idea how you came up with a statement Janowicz has a better 2nd serve than Raonic
uncooling
Semi-Pro
Well, that's not true.
Raonic has been hitting 240kph+ in a 1000 masters events including Indian Wells and some clay courts.
Are you sure you've watched him play all the time?
Cuz I remember he even hit 250kph in Toronto which is a 1000 event.
So you can't just say he can hit fast only in small tournaments
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
I'm not going to be wasting my breath with Mr Right, only you watch and know everything, go read the post again, because you keep misinterpreting what I told you.
Good luck!
purple-n-gold
Hall of Fame
there's a few threads on this guy..
and yeah Jerzy>Milos
and yeah Jerzy>Milos
Yes i am confident about raonic serve speeds, his fastest serves are clearly San Jose and MEmphis- visibly faster than other events, so either speed guns there or balls or something - not only he but also Isner was regularly there 140mph +
Yes he hit in Toronto also 272kph you can found it on youtube vs Troicki in 1st or 2nd his service game, his fastest serves in outdoor conditions can be about 240+kph - but that´s not regularly, regularly he is not hitting bigger than 230kph + soemthing. Janowicz is hitting as hard as he is - only guy on the tour who can do it - that he is clearly having hardest 1st serve is visible at slams, clearly biggest RG serve and biggest at AO also - in slams he played more matches on courts with speed guns - he is not hitting regularly more than 230kph + something, 240kph maybe he can hit sometimes - but it is not often - in San Jose - Memphis those numbers are clearly higher than anywhere else in both 2011 and 2012
So was Rosol at Wimbledon. Next
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Deleted member 307496
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I think within three years he will be a mainstay in the top 10.
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
This guy is way better than Rosol, he's beaten several top players back to back, Rosol had a fluke win over a burned out Nadal.
People appreciate an underdog story. Nobody appreciates negativity, which is why you're one of the least appreciated members on these forums.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
272 kph? No way.
sonicare
Hall of Fame
Exactly, Rosol hardly capatilised on that win, it was an impressive performance definitely one of he biggest upsets in tennis history but he lost in straight sets in the next round. Jerzy has proved that his upset wasn't a fluke he's managed to get to the final and could actually win the title tomorrow. Hopefully he has made a breakthrough and will go far next year.
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decades
Guest
his movement is way better than milos. his variety way better than milos. his touch way better than milos. his serve may not be as good but it's plenty good enough to win big matches. this guy has more upside than mild mannered milos.
My mistake 275....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5oqzvsfBHE
05:48 - replay of his service - it is up right i think - it is clerly 275 kph - i was watching it live and was laughing at those speed guns
I am telling you seriously i like him, i am watching him - i like all serve stats - aces, serve speds and son on - he can hit up to 240kph but once in mach, once in tournament - or he can do it if going for maximum pace, but normally - 220-233kph
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Yeah because Nadal always got burned out by the 2nd round of Wimbledon in those 5 previous Wimbledons he played eh? :lol: Why not give Rosol his due? He kicked Nadal's behind like he stole something.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Lol that is ridiculous.
I looked it up and Milos even mentioned this particular reading in an interview and said it was not accurate.
I remember at the Beijing Olympics in 2008, Djokovic apparently hit a 155 mph serve.
