Interesting Nadal Fact

[Bolivian Ace]

I was reading Shark bites in the ATP web page (http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2008news/sharkbites12.asp)
and saw an interesting fact:
"Nadal has a winning record against Federer but on what surfaces? - Duncan McEntyre, Montreal, Canada
Nadal has a 12-6 career head-to-head lead (10-4 in finals) over Federer with a 9-1 mark on clay, 2-3 on hard and 1-2 on grass. Nadal is the only player to defeat Federer in a final on each of the surfaces."

I have a lot of respect for Federes game and think he can become the greatest tennis player of all times (IMO he still has some milestones to reach), but this last statement say a lot from Nadal, a lot of people critizice him for only being good in clay, but I think this shows otherwise.

 

[P_Agony]

I think it has to do more with Federer. Nadal got in his head and it shows in every match their playing (So many close matches that Federer went on losing). Nadal is good on all surfaces, but on hard courts he is nowhere near the best. I can name at least 5 players other than Federer that can beat him on a hard court on a given day.

 

[Bolivian Ace]

I agree with you, but even though Nadal may be at his best in clay, he still can be awesome in any surface.

 

[bolo]

They are ~ 3-3 in close matches.

 

[edmondsm]

Nadal's game is very effective against Federer (and anybody really) on any surface. Federer knows this, and I believe this compounds his problem.

 

[Cyan]

Nadal is the only player to defeat Federer in a final on each of the surfaces."

I have a lot of respect for Federes game and think he can become the greatest tennis player of all times (IMO he still has some milestones to reach), but this last statement say a lot from Nadal, a lot of people critizice him for only being good in clay, but I think this shows otherwise.

Interesting.

 

[SirBlend12]

That's pretty impressive.

I hope they both hang around for a while longer (years). People may be getting sick of seeing all Nadal-Fed finals, but I would bet they'll miss it when they're gone.

Anyone watch queens on TTC last night? Rafa had some nice net game going for him...

 

[fastdunn]

I don't think it's just a mental block. Nadal is a clear problem in Federer's game. Nadal's stengths just fit right into Federer's weaknesses(OK, relative ones).

This Nadal guy, when he broke the ATP scene, at age 16(or 17?) 1st met Federer on hard court (of Miami?) and beat Federer in a straight set(6-3,6-3?). And Nadal invaded and violated Federer's kindom at Wimbledon in just a couple of tries.

Well, this rivarly has not ended but Federer will face increasingly uphill battle since Nadal is starting to peak at 22 and Federer will turn 28 after next year's Wimbledon....

 

[ThA_Azn_DeViL]

That's pretty impressive.

I hope they both hang around for a while longer (years). People may be getting sick of seeing all Nadal-Fed finals, but I would bet they'll miss it when they're gone.

Anyone watch queens on TTC last night? Rafa had some nice net game going for him...

I sure as hell am gonna miss Fed when he's gone, but i have a feeling both of them will retire about the same time, because Nadal's been getting alot of injuries, no offense, just pointing it out.

 

[superman1]

Nadal has always been a bad match-up for Federer which is why many of their matches have been of poor quality. This is not a surprising statistic. It's just a matter of one's strengths fitting into another's weaknesses.

 

[wangs78]

I think it has to do more with Federer. Nadal got in his head and it shows in every match their playing (So many close matches that Federer went on losing). Nadal is good on all surfaces, but on hard courts he is nowhere near the best. I can name at least 5 players other than Federer that can beat him on a hard court on a given day.

That's exactly right. Nad has a mental edge against Roger. I totally agree. Roger is absolutely the better player, even Nadal acknowledges this.

But at the end of the day, it's who wins that counts. So in that area, Rafa has clearly come out ahead.

 

[tennis-hero]

Isn't Roger Federer the only person to have beaten Rafa on every surface

(hard, Grass, Clay, indoors)?

And its not just Roger who has trouble with Rafa on clay, its everyone.... its just that no one has him figured out.

i would assume that a good S&V game would be a good match up against Nadal, but on clay it wouldn't be either

I just think Rafa has a perfect game on clay....

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Yes, really interesting in that regard that someone's credit and respect is being measured by how many times and where he beat Federer.

Good work.

 

[ksbh]

DD ... I'd think that's because Federer is a contender for GOAT spoils. Nadal's feat is therefore quite significant.

Yes, really interesting in that regard that someone's credit and respect is being measured by how many times and where he beat Federer.

Good work.

 

[ksbh]

Awesome post FastDunn! Finally, someone gets it right in this thread!

I don't think it's just a mental block. Nadal is a clear problem in Federer's game. Nadal's stengths just fit right into Federer's weaknesses(OK, relative ones).

This Nadal guy, when he broke the ATP scene, at age 16(or 17?) 1st met Federer on hard court (of Miami?) and beat Federer in a straight set(6-3,6-3?). And Nadal invaded and violated Federer's kindom at Wimbledon in just a couple of tries.

Well, this rivarly has not ended but Federer will face increasingly uphill battle since Nadal is starting to peak at 22 and Federer will turn 28 after next year's Wimbledon....

 

[Cup8489]

Yes, really interesting in that regard that someone's credit and respect is being measured by how many times and where he beat Federer.

Good work.

i think how a player fared (and fares) against federer will be the standard for all players to play in the time of his career, lol.

 

[Bolivian Ace]

i think how a player fared (and fares) against federer will be the standard for all players to play in the time of his career, lol.

I agree, like Federer said, he created a "monster", and even though I think Federer is a better player that has and will have greater achievements than Nadal, these facts show that Nadal is right there and far ahead from the rest.

 

[tennisgirl90]

I think it has to do more with Federer. Nadal got in his head and it shows in every match their playing (So many close matches that Federer went on losing). Nadal is good on all surfaces, but on hard courts he is nowhere near the best. I can name at least 5 players other than Federer that can beat him on a hard court on a given day.

Have you asked yourself why Nadal is in his head? Federer is mentally so strong and nobody is able to own him mentally, EXCEPTING Nadal.
So you're saying Federer can't play his best against Nadal, but this is the merit of Nadal because he has managed to own Federer mentally. And of course his game has also a lot to do with it.

 

[Tennis_Goodness]

Have you asked yourself why Nadal is in his head? Federer is mentally so strong and nobody is able to own him mentally, EXCEPTING Nadal.
So you're saying Federer can't play his best against Nadal, but this is the merit of Nadal because he has managed to own Federer mentally. And of course his game has also a lot to do with it.

I don't think it's mental at all. Federer's decline this year had alot to do with his illness and the other players are getting better including Nadal but Federer doesn't have a mental block, Nadal just has the skills to give him trouble. Federer is no longer the number 1 player and it showed over this year. I wonder how he will bounce back after the illness and bad year though!

 

[Turning Pro]

Have you asked yourself why Nadal is in his head? Federer is mentally so strong and nobody is able to own him mentally, EXCEPTING Nadal.
So you're saying Federer can't play his best against Nadal, but this is the merit of Nadal because he has managed to own Federer mentally. And of course his game has also a lot to do with it.

He's like a improved version of Hewitt in nearly every way, of who used to own Roger. Hewitt stopped owning him once Federer was at his peak and could over power Hewitt. He certainly can't over power Nadal consistenly enough for him to bully him (at least not from the baseline) so it's a hard match up for Roger. Nadal is consistent as hell and can attack at will too. The same with Murray except slightly more aggressive but not as strong mentally and as consistent as Nadal therefore he's a threat to Fed too. Djokovic should be a threat period but can't quite string it all together everytime against Fed. But on form (AUS 08 ) is another fearsome rival Roger should worry about.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

Nadal is consistent as hell and can attack at will too.

Glad you admit to that. Many just want to label him as a moonballer that waits for errors but he actually is aggressive as well.

 

[zapvor]

frankly i think Nadal wants it more. aside from physical ability, age, strengths vs weakness, etc Federer has just branched out more...i hate to say it but i think Nadal maintains more passion for the game than Fed does at this point in time.

 

[iamke55]

Federer is also the only player to defeat Nadal in a final on each of the surfaces.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

Federer is also the only player to defeat Nadal in a final on each of the surfaces.

It takes 2 players to knock Nadal off on clay. Hewitt tired Nadal out and Fed finished him off. Ferrer tired Nadal out and Ferrero finished Nadal off. It almost happened again in Hamburg 2008. Djokovic tired Nadal out and Federer choked against a weary Nadal.

 

[edmondsm]

It takes 2 players to knock Nadal off on clay. Hewitt tired Nadal out and Fed finished him off. Ferrer tired Nadal out and Ferrero finished Nadal off. It almost happened again in Hamburg 2008. Djokovic tired Nadal out and Federer choked against a weary Nadal.

And you reem Fed fans for making excuses.

 

[Dilettante]

I think it has to do more with Federer. Nadal got in his head and it shows in every match their playing (So many close matches that Federer went on losing). Nadal is good on all surfaces, but on hard courts he is nowhere near the best. I can name at least 5 players other than Federer that can beat him on a hard court on a given day.

Nadal has to beat other players too, on all surfaces, to get in the final and beat Federer there. You seemed to forgot that.

Being in Federer's head wouldn't help Nadal to get to those finals, don't you think? Unless Federer would control all ATP players' minds, a la Darth Vader or something.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

And you reem Fed fans for making excuses.

The mono excuse that some used for the whole year as well as Nadal is in Fed's head. Yeah those excuses are pretty pathetic. Saying someone is tired from an extremely long match the day before is however a good excuse.

 

[edmondsm]

The mono excuse that some used for the whole year as well as Nadal is in Fed's head. Yeah those excuses are pretty pathetic. Saying someone is tired from an extremely long match the day before is however a good excuse.

So having an illness of which the hallmark is fatigue isn't a good excuse, but claiming that anytime Nadal loses it was because he was tired is ok.

You know who tires Nadal out? Nadal. If he can't finish off a player and he is tired the next day, tough. That's his fault, unlike when someone gets sick.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

So having an illness of which the hallmark is fatigue isn't a good excuse, but claiming that anytime Nadal loses it was because he was tired is ok.

You know who tires Nadal out? Nadal. If he can't finish off a player and he is tired the next day, tough. That's his fault, unlike when someone gets sick.

Federer got sick at the beginning of the year. That was over with a long time ago yet people keep bringing it up all year long. Federer was already on the decline before his sickness so saying that mono was the only reason he is struggling is ridiculous. As for Nadal, you expect him to actually pull out of the finals of a Masters Series due to fatigue? I don't think so.

 

[NamRanger]

Federer got sick at the beginning of the year. That was over with a long time ago yet people keep bringing it up all year long. Federer was already on the decline before his sickness so saying that mono was the only reason he is struggling is ridiculous. As for Nadal, you expect him to actually pull out of the finals of a Masters Series due to fatigue? I don't think so.

If you knew anything about infectious mononucleosis, you would know that it can resurface later, and it takes a long period of time to recover. Also, the mononucleosis affected his training schedule heavily, which completely threw his year off along with the Olympic year and the compression of the clay season schedule.

 

[edmondsm]

Federer got sick at the beginning of the year. That was over with a long time ago yet people keep bringing it up all year long. Federer was already on the decline before his sickness so saying that mono was the only reason he is struggling is ridiculous. As for Nadal, you expect him to actually pull out of the finals of a Masters Series due to fatigue? I don't think so.

As Nam said, you have no clue about mono, and you talk about it like its a head cold. I never said anything about Nadal pulling out of a final, where did you get that from? I said, "if he is tired from his previous match then that is HIS fault", and he deserves to lose with no asterisk next to the loss.

 

[mcutilize]

sheesus christ guys theres an excuse for both of them. fed with his damn mono and nadal with his injuries. either way fed made 3 slam finals and 1 semi and he still won the us open. u guys r like using mono as an excuse for feds pretty good year 1 slam is not terrible guys. just cause he lost the aussie, french (which he wont win unless nadal quits), wimbledon, and the olympics doesnt mean he sucks. sure the sickness may have had something to due with it but dont u think nadal could've gotten better.

 

[TheTruth]

To say Nadal being weary after a tough match the previous day is an excuse, and then turn around excuse Federer for having mono is still an excuse, as excuses go. The bottom line is, if Fed was so sick and drained from the mono he shouldn't have been playing in the first place. Therefore, his fans "excuse" that he had "mono" is null and void. If he chose to play with mono, that's on him. Ancic and Henin didn't play with it. I don't know of anyone who ever kept playing knowing they had mono anyway.

 

[ThugNasty]

To say Nadal being weary after a tough match the previous day is an excuse, and then turn around excuse Federer for having mono is still an excuse, as excuses go. The bottom line is, if Fed was so sick and drained from the mono he shouldn't have been playing in the first place. Therefore, his fans "excuse" that he had "mono" is null and void. If he chose to play with mono, that's on him. Ancic and Henin didn't play with it. I don't know of anyone who ever kept playing knowing they had mono anyway.

You dont make any sense at all. Federer was mis-diagnosed before the Aussie Open. He only found out after the whole tournament was over. He did not "choose" to play with mono

 

[mcutilize]

You dont make any sense at all. Federer was mis-diagnosed before the Aussie Open. He only found out after the whole tournament was over. He did not "choose" to play with mono

thats cool so that makes no difference still it was his choice to play everything else he said himself that it wasnt a severe case so its not like he was bedridden everyday. he chose to play the other tourneys he did for the rest of the year with mono, so its not gonna kill him.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

You dont make any sense at all. Federer was mis-diagnosed before the Aussie Open. He only found out after the whole tournament was over. He did not "choose" to play with mono

The fact that he could outlast players at the Australian Open in early this year shows that mono was hardly a factor. If it hardly effected him there, why would it effect him the rest of year?

 

[purple-n-gold]

It shows he has a losing record except of course on clay.

 

[edmondsm]

To say Nadal being weary after a tough match the previous day is an excuse, and then turn around excuse Federer for having mono is still an excuse, as excuses go. The bottom line is, if Fed was so sick and drained from the mono he shouldn't have been playing in the first place. Therefore, his fans "excuse" that he had "mono" is null and void. If he chose to play with mono, that's on him. Ancic and Henin didn't play with it. I don't know of anyone who ever kept playing knowing they had mono anyway.

He was weary after a match because he couldn't put his opponent away. That's not an excuse, that's what happens when you take 3 hours to win a match, you will be tired the next day. Too bad.

But I'm with you in a way, the mono thing is over. We all should have moved on a long time ago.

 

[edmondsm]

The fact that he could outlast players at the Australian Open in early this year shows that mono was hardly a factor. If it hardly effected him there, why would it effect him the rest of year?

Once again, you need to go read up on mono nucleosis. It can act up on you, then you are fine for 3 months, and then wham, one day you can barely get out of bed. I've had a couple of close friends get it and it is a weird issue to have.

Regardless, the guy won the USO, he's obviously feeling alright so it would be nice if we could move on.

 

[TheTruth]

You dont make any sense at all. Federer was mis-diagnosed before the Aussie Open. He only found out after the whole tournament was over. He did not "choose" to play with mono

If what you said is true. He was mis-diagnosed before the Aussie, and found out about it once the tournament was over, then that means the mono was gone in late January, early February, why then for almost the entire 2008 season have we heard about the effects of mono, on a man who once he found out he had it continued to play tournaments? Therefore, how can fans blame his losses on mono or the after-effects of it if he chose to play?

Either way, it's an excuse, because no one forced him to play in a weakened state. That's make perfect sense.

 

[tennis-hero]

Does Nadal get Mono at the end of every year- it might explain why he sucks so hard

no he just plays really bad

 

[drakulie]

Nadal has to start doing better on hard courts, cause he sucks on them.

 

[Djokovicfan4life]

Don't forget his one-dimensional game, Drak.

 

[drakulie]

^^^Oh yeah,. sorry about that>>>I'm slipping.

 

[Deleted member 21996]

the biggest excuse for nadal sucking on hard courts is the weight of the ball decreasing because of the speed of the balls. and if federer says he suffered from Mono, its a lie because Xisca_Freak is a fan and fans know better about tennis than players...

 

[Sentinel]

the biggest excuse for nadal sucking on hard courts is the weight of the ball decreasing because of the speed of the balls. and if federer says he suffered from Mono, its a lie because Xisca_Freak is a fan and fans know better about tennis than players...

lolol.

you forgot to attribute your quote to Fedace. You could be sued for plagiarism ;-)

 

[Sentinel]

Nadal is the only player to defeat Federer in a final on each of the surfaces."

on various colors of clay, you meant.

 

[ksbh]

Excellent catch there, Herr Sentinel!

Someone posted that the converse (Federer beating Nadal in a final on all surfaces) was also true. Now he must have also meant, on various colors of clay! LOL!

on various colors of clay, you meant.

 

[Sentinel]

Excellent catch there, Herr Sentinel!

Someone posted that the converse (Federer beating Nadal in a final on all surfaces) was also true. Now he must have also meant, on various colors of clay! LOL!

I was making a reference to another thread, in which Underhand remarked about blue clay.

 

[ksbh]

Yes, I did read that Thanks.

I was making a reference to another thread, in which Underhand remarked about blue clay.