Is Andy Murray No Longer a Major Contender?

Has the clock run out for Andy Murray?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 56.3%
  • No

    Votes: 21 43.8%

  • Total voters
    48

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Since 2016 Murray has basically flamed out.
Italics indicate Murray won the title in 2016
Australian Open - 4R to Mischa Zverev
Dubai - Win
Indian Wells - 2R to Pospisil
Miami - Skipped
Monte Carlo - 3R to Ramos-Vinolas
Barcelona - SF to Thiem
Madrid - 3R to Coric
Rome - 2R to Fognini
Roland Garros - SF to Wawrinka
Queen's - 1R to Thompson
Wimbledon - QF to Querrey


Can Murray ever come back to his best level or is this the end for his storied career?
 

El Principe

New User
I voted No but that's being hopeful

Andy Murray retiring from tennis without ever winning an Australian will probably be the saddest thing ever.

To be fair to Murray there is no argument that he has played during a STRONG ERA..
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Since 2016 Murray has basically flamed out.
Italics indicate Murray won the title in 2016
Australian Open - 4R to Mischa Zverev
Dubai - Win
Indian Wells - 2R to Pospisil
Miami - Skipped
Monte Carlo - 3R to Ramos-Vinolas
Barcelona - SF to Thiem
Madrid - 3R to Coric
Rome - 2R to Fognini
Roland Garros - SF to Wawrinka
Queen's - 1R to Thompson
Wimbledon - QF to Querrey


Can Murray ever come back to his best level or is this the end for his storied career?

I sincerely hope he can and will come back next season and start playing some of his best tennis again. Keeping my fingers crossed always!
 

User123

Hall of Fame
The problem with Murray is that even his best tennis is usually not good enough to win big titles when his main rivals are in form. Last year he surprised by winning WTF final, but that was the exception, not the rule.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
He will probably never win another GS. His back injury seems to be serious.

It's not his back, it's his left hip. It is certainly his most serious injury since the back problem which required surgery back in 2013. Then, he was absent from the tour for 4 months but it took him the best part of a year to return to top form. Currently he's been absent from the tour for 3 months and is unlikely to play again this season which will make it a total of 6 months before he is scheduled to return at the start of 2018 which will make it his longest period of absence from the tour. Only time will tell how well his injury will have healed by then but, frankly, I'm not expecting miracles, not to start with anyway.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
The problem with Murray is that even his best tennis is usually not good enough to win big titles when his main rivals are in form. Last year he surprised by winning WTF final, but that was the exception, not the rule.

Well, he's managed to win 20 big titles (including the 2 Olympics) during the era of 3 of the greatest players of all time so I would say that's a pretty good average by anybody's standard.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Who knows. It depends on how severe his hip injury is. Even if he's perfectly healthy, it's questionable whether he will win another slam. He's getting up there in age.

I'll guess he'll win 0-1 slam.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
He's won 3 slams in a career of 12 or 13 years. His chances of adding to that total are pretty slim with his style of play. I also think he's too muscle bound and heavy which is a detriment the older he gets as a professional tennis player. He does all this massive off court training yet usually is gassed after three hours. Never figured that one out. He should have train wisely like Fed, instead of training endlessly for apparently little purpose.
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
I would not say No. We don't know how bad it is. He might be able to get away short bursts like a 10 Tournament year. Never playing more than 2 weeks with decent break. Some back issues seem fine until continually worked.
The comment that he historically look loses in Major SF and Finals might be irrelevant, as it's only been Big 3 who dominate him and currently 2/3 are injured and in all likely hood there will be periods over the next 2 years when all three will be either out or impaired.
Bit of luck goes a long way.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
He's won 3 slams in a career of 12 or 13 years. His chances of adding to that total are pretty slim with his style of play. I also think he's too muscle bound and heavy which is a detriment the older he gets as a professional tennis player. He does all this massive off court training yet usually is gassed after three hours. Never figured that one out. He should have train wisely like Fed, instead of training endlessly for apparently little purpose.

On the contrary, he's rarely gassed at all. He's been one of the fittest players on tour stamina-wise. This year he has suffered injuries which is why he's not playing at the moment. When you turn 30, injuries start to kick in. Ask Djokovic and Stan (seen much of them lately?) and even Fed and Rafa took half the season off last year and Fed is starting to struggle again now. There's nothing at all unique to what's been happening to Murray lately. Learn to follow his career and understand him a bit better if you are at all interested in him.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Let's wait until he's healthy again before consigning him to the has-bin heap.

It's a well-known law of TTW that if you haven't been able to play for a few months, you're done and dusted (just like Fed and Rafa were this same time last year). ;)
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Essentially he was never as good as 2012-2013. Last season was circumstantial more than him finding his groove. He basically got an open field after Novak's collapse.

So 1 Slam in 3 years and then he's 31 coming off after a terrible season. Smart money is he's maxed out.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
By now, I can't even remember having seen Murray play, let alone win majors, and I'm not sure he was ever even a real tennis player, but perhaps just an elaborate mirage concocted by the BBC to keep domestic ticket sales at Wimbledon from fizzling out completely, sorta how the Kubrick Moon Landing™ was orchestrated to justify giving the public's dollers to NASA.
 

Jon Snow

Semi-Pro
He's overachieved in slams so yeah he's done. Bloody Djokovic...letting Murray win 2 slams of you *facepalm*
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
By now, I can't even remember having seen Murray play, let alone win majors, and I'm not sure he was ever even a real tennis player, but perhaps just an elaborate mirage concocted by the BBC to keep domestic ticket sales at Wimbledon from fizzling out completely, sorta how the Kubrick Moon Landing™ was orchestrated to justify giving the public's dollers to NASA.

B08YQ2EIQAAntCo.jpg
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
By now, I can't even remember having seen Murray play, let alone win majors, and I'm not sure he was ever even a real tennis player, but perhaps just an elaborate mirage concocted by the BBC to keep domestic ticket sales at Wimbledon from fizzling out completely, sorta how the Kubrick Moon Landing™ was orchestrated to justify giving the public's dollers to NASA.

Et tu Sysyphus??? :(
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Broadly speaking, yes.

There are two main ways of running - Keeping the back straight and putting stress on the knee, or
Arching the back and stressing out the hip area, otherwise known as raptor running, which is what Murray is known for.

After doing this type his whole life, I believe this has caused repetitive pain on his hip. If he doesn't stop that soon he will be forced to retire from tennis within 2 years.

Truthfully, I don't think he has much time left at the top of the sport. The same goes for Nadal who has mainly lucked out this season by means of depleted opponents in his path. It's my prediction that Alexander Zverev, Djokovic, Federer and Dimitrov (and Thiem on clay) will dominate 2018, as these are players whose joints haven't been worn by grinding away for too long periods.
 

wangs78

Legend
Andy may have a couple more semis and possibly a final at Wimby in him, but that's it, in my view and based on the hip issue we've seen.
 
Z

Zara

Guest
By now, I can't even remember having seen Murray play, let alone win majors, and I'm not sure he was ever even a real tennis player, but perhaps just an elaborate mirage concocted by the BBC to keep domestic ticket sales at Wimbledon from fizzling out completely, sorta how the Kubrick Moon Landing™ was orchestrated to justify giving the public's dollers to NASA.

Dementia? This early? Oh no!

Fellow Muzzites, it seems we have lost Sysyphus. RIP.
 
Z

Zara

Guest
He's won 3 slams in a career of 12 or 13 years. His chances of adding to that total are pretty slim with his style of play. I also think he's too muscle bound and heavy which is a detriment the older he gets as a professional tennis player. He does all this massive off court training yet usually is gassed after three hours. Never figured that one out. He should have train wisely like Fed, instead of training endlessly for apparently little purpose.

I just don't know what to say to you anymore. Did you forget and conveniently so, that the real reason Murray seemed gassed was actually because of his run to No. 1 ranking late last year?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I just don't know what to say to you anymore. Did you forget and conveniently so, that the real reason Murray seemed gassed was actually because of his run to No. 1 ranking late last year?

The funny thing is that she said she liked Murray and yet does nothing but put him down and deride him as a player. Best to just ignore her I suspect at least where the subject of Murray is concerned.
 

Roddick85

Hall of Fame
Broadly speaking, yes.

There are two main ways of running - Keeping the back straight and putting stress on the knee, or
Arching the back and stressing out the hip area, otherwise known as raptor running, which is what Murray is known for.

After doing this type his whole life, I believe this has caused repetitive pain on his hip. If he doesn't stop that soon he will be forced to retire from tennis within 2 years.

Truthfully, I don't think he has much time left at the top of the sport. The same goes for Nadal who has mainly lucked out this season by means of depleted opponents in his path. It's my prediction that Alexander Zverev, Djokovic, Federer and Dimitrov (and Thiem on clay) will dominate 2018, as these are players whose joints haven't been worn by grinding away for too long periods.

Good assessment. I think no one really knows how bad Murray's hip injury is beside him. Is it something he can rest/recover and comeback to enjoy a couple more years on tour or is it that bad that the rumors saying he'll have to retire are true? If he does comeback on tour and is healthy, will he take months to find his form like in 2014 ? The tour is weaker now than it was in 2014, so I would say Murray much like Wawrinka have quite an open field to comeback to which should smooth out their respective return if it does happen next year.

Both Nadal & Federer benefited from depleted opponents/field this year. In Nadal's case, he's had multi slam years on a couple of occasions, but he's never been able to really back it up in the next one and I don't think he suddenly will now that he's in his 30's. I expect him to still be a factor on clay, but on grass not so much, and on hard, it will be a coin toss depending on his health. For Federer, it's all about his health. He can look healthy for a couple of tournaments and then he's aching and not so fresh all of a sudden (i.e. american summer), so his future is also somewhat of a coin toss. A healthy Federer is definitely a factor on grass and on hard, but it's very hard to predict his health next year. All we can say is based on stats, after 30, the more a player ages, the more likely he is to get injured/sidelined.

In theory, Zverev, Dimitrov and Thiem should dominate a little more next year. Dimitrov hasn't had to deal with many injuries in his career so far, so if he keeps his level up, next year could be even better than this one. Zverev should also continue his progression near the top, same for Thiem (on clay mostly). Who knows in what state Djokovic will comeback in?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Truthfully, I don't think he has much time left at the top of the sport. The same goes for Nadal who has mainly lucked out this season by means of depleted opponents in his path. It's my prediction that Alexander Zverev, Djokovic, Federer and Dimitrov (and Thiem on clay) will dominate 2018, as these are players whose joints haven't been worn by grinding away for too long periods.

Well, Djokovic is currently away from the tour with a chronic elbow injury and has been one of the biggest grinders out there so I'm not sure you can make him an exception if your general rule for this type of player is valid.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Well, Djokovic is currently away from the tour with a chronic elbow injury and has been one of the biggest grinders out there so I'm not sure you can make him an exception if your general rule for this type of player is valid.

I think Djokovic gets in a mode where he is so hungry to win it hurts like a rash. I mean, him and Fed are maybe the only two who could out grind Nadal in his prime, and that's maybe the hardest task in the sport. If Djokovic keeps playing, I have confidence he will win at least 2 more slams.
 

Bavaria

Rookie
I think Djokovic gets in a mode where he is so hungry to win it hurts like a rash. I mean, him and Fed are maybe the only two who could out grind Nadal in his prime, and that's maybe the hardest task in the sport. If Djokovic keeps playing, I have confidence he will win at least 2 more slams.
Nadal is 18-7 over federer and Djokovic in the majors. Not sure I agree either outgrinded the best of Nadal, not consistently at any rate.

Anyway on topic, Murray is all but done. However he is tier 2 ATG given the era he played in. He should be massively proud of his achievements.

Unfortunately it is suggested he may have a cam impingement in his hip and laberal tear. It is obviously unknown how badly damaged his cartilage is but he likely needs key hole surgery. Rest will reduce his symptoms but when he starts the daily grind the problems he hasn't now will flare up again. The longer he goes without surgical intervention the greater the damage to his cartilage will be and once the gap between the ball ans socket joint is less than 2mm keyhole surgery will be a waste of time and he will need a total hip replacement.

At his age it is unlikely he will ever get to major winning contention. It's a shame as last year how he outplayed Djokovic at the end of the year was fantastic as he basically out Djokovic'd Djokovic and was a worthy world no.1. The game will be a lot poorer without him.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Nadal is 18-7 over federer and Djokovic in the majors. Not sure I agree either outgrinded the best of Nadal, not consistently at any rate.

Anyway on topic, Murray is all but done. However he is tier 2 ATG given the era he played in. He should be massively proud of his achievements.

Unfortunately it is suggested he may have a cam impingement in his hip and laberal tear. It is obviously unknown how badly damaged his cartilage is but he likely needs key hole surgery. Rest will reduce his symptoms but when he starts the daily grind the problems he hasn't now will flare up again. The longer he goes without surgical intervention the greater the damage to his cartilage will be and once the gap between the ball ans socket joint is less than 2mm keyhole surgery will be a waste of time and he will need a total hip replacement.

At his age it is unlikely he will ever get to major winning contention. It's a shame as last year how he outplayed Djokovic at the end of the year was fantastic as he basically out Djokovic'd Djokovic and was a worthy world no.1. The game will be a lot poorer without him.

Out of interest, where have you been reading about the nature of his hip injury?
 

Dave1982

Professional
Since 2016 Murray has basically flamed out.
Italics indicate Murray won the title in 2016
Australian Open - 4R to Mischa Zverev
Dubai - Win
Indian Wells - 2R to Pospisil
Miami - Skipped
Monte Carlo - 3R to Ramos-Vinolas
Barcelona - SF to Thiem
Madrid - 3R to Coric
Rome - 2R to Fognini
Roland Garros - SF to Wawrinka
Queen's - 1R to Thompson
Wimbledon - QF to Querrey


Can Murray ever come back to his best level or is this the end for his storied career?


Pretty tough question to answer when we haven't seen him play since Wimbledon...will largely depend how he returns from injury.

Agree that his 2017 results were well below what we have come to expect from Murray but hard to dismiss him from GS calculations just yet.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
No he is not finished. People need to learn that nothing is done before they call it quits.

Murray has years infront of him. Being 30 today is not the same as being 30 10-15 years ago.
 
S

SafinSucks

Guest
It's a well-known law of TTW that if you haven't been able to play for a few months, you're done and dusted (just like Fed and Rafa were this same time last year). ;)
Hi @Mainad
Andy Murray's game relies on his speed and movement, one of the best defenders and counter puncher the game has ever seen. Hip injury is no joke. I think he is done.
 
No.
People do recover from injury, just give him time.
What is that "gassed" nonsense? Murray fitness has never been a problem, in fact the opposite is true. Andy´s fitness is remarkable for a tall/heavy/muscular player.
Andy´s major ability to me was his on-court cleverness. I doubt he has lost this.
I just read Andy will be playing AO. This is good news for tennis.
 
Top