Is Djokovic an ATG on grass?

[RF-18]

Wimbledon Champions

All time

1. Federer 8
2. Sampras/Renshaw 7
3. Borg/Doherty 5
4. Djokovic/Laver 4

Open Era

1. Federer 8
2. Sampras 7
3. Borg 5
4. Djokovic 4

 

[NatF]

He was an ATG with his 3rd Wimbledon title, especially as it included a title defence. Not sure he was quite there in 2014 but it was debatable imo.

 

[Breakpointerer]

Yes, 4 titles is a very impressive haul and he will probably add more.

 

[TripleATeam]

Yeah. Boris is a grass ATG and has fewer Wimbledons.

 

[BeatlesFan]

As amazing as it is with his baseline style of play, he's absolutely an ATG on grass. It boggles my mind to think that if he wins another, he'll have won as many as the great Borg.

 

[tennisaddict]

He is. Also McEnroe and Becker

 

[RF-18]

He was an ATG with his 3rd Wimbledon title, especially as it included a title defence. Not sure he was quite there in 2014 but it was debatable imo.

Title defence was massive but with his 4th he made a pretty good case. With 3 titles it gets debatable.

 

[NatF]

Title defence was massive but with his 4th he made a pretty good case. With 3 titles it gets debatable.

I think 3 titles is enough already, I consider Becker an ATG on grass, likewise Mac - Edberg too.

 

[RF-18]

As amazing as it is with his baseline style of play, he's absolutely an ATG on grass. It boggles my mind to think that if he wins another, he'll have won as many as the great Borg.

Borg won his titles from the baseline too. Their styles aren't too far off but yeah amazing if Novak could tie Borg.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Laver: 4.

 

[Jonesy]

How many Queen's does he have?

Yeah, that should answer your question.

 

[RF-18]

How many Queens does he have?

Mury GOAT

 

[RF-18]

Laver: 4.

Hwat?

 

[hoodjem]

No, he plays better when he is not stoned.

 

[NiceGuy]

Wimbledon Champions

All time

1. Federer 8
2. Sampras/Renshaw 7
3. Borg/Doherty 5
4. Djokovic/Laver 4

Open Era

1. Federer 8
2. Sampras 7
3. Borg 5
4. Djokovic 4

Yes

 

[RF-18]

I think 3 titles is enough already, I consider Becker an ATG on grass, likewise Mac - Edberg too.

What is huge is that Djokovic seperated himself from those guys to stand alone at 4 in the Open Era.

 

[ForehandRF]

Definitely he is.One can't argue with 4 titles there

 

[James695]

4 titles, 1 runner up. Beaten Federer and Nadal there. Don’t think there can be any doubt.

 

[Goof]

Hwat?

Not sure what his exact point was, but it could have been either: 1) Laver actually won 9 Majors on grass; or 2) who knows how many Wimbledons he would have won if he had been allowed to play it his whole career.

 

[Lozo1016]

Has he ever won Halle?

 

[James695]

Has he ever won Halle?

His never even won a match at Newport. Isner has 3 titles. Where is the thread about his grass greatness!

 

[Phoenix1983]

Just about.

 

[helterskelter]

I think 3 titles is enough already, I consider Becker an ATG on grass, likewise Mac - Edberg too.

I think at three titles it's going to depend on the all-round resume. Four or more guarantees status, two or fewer is no dice. But three can go either way. Edberg has four Slam titles on grass (two in Australia). Becker made seven Wimbledon finals, so he's in. McEnroe made five finals in a row (1980-84). Until Djokovic won last year, I would say he wasn't quite on a par with any of the three yet, although close to McEnroe, I suppose.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Eww what a gross question. Having to say yes feels like giving away a kidney.

 

[James695]

Eww what a gross question. Having to say yes feels like giving away a kidney.

Leading up to the 2011 final Nadal really looked like a shoo-in to be a grass court great.

Still 5 finals in 6 years (and 5 in a row in Wimbledons he competed in) is still a fantastic achievement for someone once labelled a “clay court specialist”.

 

[Grampa]

Want some pats on the back? He is 4th Open Era in no. of Wimbledon titles, pretty useless question to pose.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Was Edberg good on grass?

 

[Red Rick]

Eww what a gross question. Having to say yes feels like giving away a kidney.

Like that is such a bad thing.

I have paid many hypothetical kidneys for many great causes

 

[TheAssassin]

Eww what a gross question. Having to say yes feels like giving away a kidney.

Why? He wasn't losing to nobodies in the first week of Wimbledon for five years straight.

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Hwat?

He won much more than 4 titles on grass since 3 of the 4 GS were played on grass back then.

 

[GabeT]

Want some pats on the back? He is 4th Open Era in no. of Wimbledon titles, pretty useless question to pose.

Pats on the back are always nice

 

[clout]

Easily. He’s a 4 time champ and has made 5 finals a couple other semis; he also defended once. A better question is whether someone like Nadal is an ATG on grass with 2 titles and 5 finals (along with a de-facto finals last year)

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Yes. I absolutely do not put him over Mac/Becker though given their competition/level. Edberg is behind I admit, his fault for underperforming at Wimbledon.

 

[NoleFam]

He's already an ATG on grass but if he wins another, he goes up a notch in my opinion.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Why? He wasn't losing to nobodies in the first week of Wimbledon for five years straight.

Bc he got 2014 and 15 Federer instead of 06/07 Federer

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

A grass ATG would not lose to Big 3.5-Murray.

 

[James695]

Bc he got 2014 and 15 Federer instead of 06/07 Federer

Agree. Nadal had a much tougher task in his 3 Wimbledon finals than Novak in those 2.

Nadal’s 2008 triumph will always be ahead of any of Novak’s individual titles.

Novak of course has a far better Wimbledon CV overall. 4 titles always beats 2.

 

[James695]

A grass ATG would not lose to Big 3.5-Murray.

Fed at The Olympics!

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

Fed at The Olympics!

Almost as irrelevant as FO and clay in general.

 

[NoleFam]

Bc he got 2014 and 15 Federer instead of 06/07 Federer

Thiem would never have held RG if he played 06 or 07 Nadal, or 18 or 19 Nadal. Irrelevant. Federer destroyed Murray in 2015 and everybody else but Novak was just better. End of discussion.

 

[Breakpointerer]

Bc he got 2014 and 15 Federer instead of 06/07 Federer

He looks amazing in that pic

 

[MichaelNadal]

Thiem would never have held RG if he played 06 or 07 Nadal, or 18 or 19 Nadal. Irrelevant. Federer destroyed Murray in 2015 and everybody else but Novak was just better. End of discussion.

Fed has lost more than twice at Wimby last time I checked. Don't compare him to Nadal at the FO. And Murray? LOL! I never said Fed wasn't playing well, the point stands 06 Federer would have smoked Imhotep like a menthol. At the end of the day I already said I admit he's an ATG on grass.

He looks amazing in that pic

Yeah.... he was actually young

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Yes he is. I love watching Djoker on grass

 

[NoleFam]

Fed has lost more than twice at Wimby last time I checked. Don't compare him to Nadal at the FO. And Murray? LOL! I never said Fed wasn't playing well, the point stands 06 Federer would have smoked Imhotep like a menthol. At the end of the day I already said I admit he's an ATG on grass.



Yeah.... he was actually young

Lol. Yes in a hypothetical scenario of course Djokovic would lose. He never wins these hypothetical scenarios, only real matches. The point is you're using age to lessen what Djokovic achieved at Wimbledon. It's irrelevant what 06 Federer would have done since he played 12, 14 and 15 Federer. Nadal has been injured a lot of the last year and still was untouchable at RG at 32 and 33 years old. At the end of the day he won 4 of them and beat Nadal or Federer everytime.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Borg won his titles from the baseline too. Their styles aren't too far off but yeah amazing if Novak could tie Borg.

@RF-18 Um... sorry, you are absolutely dead wrong and obviously never saw Bjorn play.

He approached the net 146 times in the classic 1980 final against Mac and won 100 of those points. His net stats are similar in his other Wimbledon matches.

http://tennisabstract.com/charting/19800705-M-Wimbledon-F-John_Mcenroe-Bjorn_Borg.html

In an entire calendar year, Djokovic will probably not approach the net 146 times in all his matches played.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

He is in the conversation

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Yes of course! I’d love him to get one more, 5 Wimbledon titles would be so cool. A lot of people pre 2011 doubted whether Novak can even play at a high level on grass, so it’s been some run since 2011! He’s been very consistent too, only losing early in 2016.

 

[Otacon]

We can't talk about all-time greatness on grass since the surface has dramatically changed since the early 2000s.

However, if Agassi could do it, I think Novak could have won Wimbledon in the 20th century too. But certainly not 4 times. Let's be clear about that.

 

[Otacon]

@RF-18 Um... sorry, you are absolutely dead wrong and obviously never saw Bjorn play.

He approached the net 146 times in the classic 1980 final against Mac and won 100 of those points. His net stats are similar in his other Wimbledon matches.

http://tennisabstract.com/charting/19800705-M-Wimbledon-F-John_Mcenroe-Bjorn_Borg.html

In an entire calendar year, Djokovic will probably not approach the net 146 times in all his matches played.

Borg HAD to change his game, that's what most neophytes ignore and that’s why all tennis greats look at Borg with great admiration.

 

[Djokovic2011]

How can a player with 4 Wimbledon titles not be considered an ATG on grass?! Having said that I'm not sure I'd place him inside the top 5 for the Open era as I consider Federer, Sampras, Borg, Becker and McEnroe to be greater than him(Laver too if we go even further back).