HetTheGreaterer
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Fedr 4.0 coming....
Not a troll thread, coming from a fed fan
Not a troll thread, coming from a fed fan
His performance wasn’t terrible yesterday it’s just his backhand was a puddle. As much as I want to see him play Roland Garros I can’t help but think that yesterday’s match was a sign that it’s a pointless endeavor.
At times like these, you're a most welcome presence around these forums.That's one way to view it. Another way is that the player (Thiem) with less chances to break won the match. It won't always be like that. 3/4 BP > 2/11 BP was the stat of the match and the reason Thiem won.
I'm happy with Fed's current form. And it may get even better.
So he is at LeeD's level now?
Harsh!
What would you rate the white shirt?
4.5+. of course.
They probably play Q's or Futures or even almost make a main draw, so they're good player's.
That dude in the white shirt is Roger Federer.
Very harsh indeed.
In one of the all-time-great TTW exchanges, even the great LeeD admitted that Federer is more like a 4.5+ who might play some futures or even get close to making a main draw every now and then.
Fedr to win 3 masters, 3 slams, WTF, and ending YE#1?
Deal!
Playing clay court tennis is not a mistake because the real mistake is to sit out for months and just to practice. Believe me that no practice can compensate for the match playI still say that playing clay is a mistake, unless he needs the points, so my estimate about this decision depends on the answer of that question.
Stay tuned for the Miami open as I do believe that Roger will make deeper Run then he did last yearSounds optimistic. We'll see...
On clay any tennis player is prone To the least number of injuries....Yeah, and no match play can compensate for time lost due to injury issues. Especially at several months before turning 38.
I wouldn't be surprised, he lost his first match in Miami last year.Stay tuned for the Miami open as I do believe that Roger will make deeper Run then he did last year
Might even make semi finals or finals or win the whole thing
Stay tuned for the Miami open as I do believe that Roger will make deeper Run then he did last year
Might even make semi finals or finals or win the whole thing
At times like these, you're a most welcome presence around these forums.
Well the new courts seem to be faster than key BiscayneWinning the whole thing it's unlikely I would say because conditions don't suit his game.Miami is way too slow and balls move in "slow motion" due to high humidity.
Last night was a bit depressing. I thought he played better against Del Potro tbh (bar the woeful tie break).
I know we've been down this road before of writing Fed off but - as a fan - I kind of feel like last night might be the beginning of the end, especially now the 100 title thing is already done and finished.
Also, given what happened in the women's final, I wonder if this is a week we'll look back and think that this was where Federer relinquished his magic dust and gave it to a young Bianca Andreescu.
Yes, it's worth noting that he hasn't really played 'poorly' in quite a few matches now. He seems to have a decent base level at the moment, which is promising. Hoping for a good draw at Miami and genuinely looking forward to the tournament. That hasn't always been the case.Thanks.
Reading the reactions, I noticed that some perspectives were lost from this loss.
Look at it this way. Thiem was in Thieminator mode, and he barely edged out a 'decent' Federer. Had 1of2 BPs gone Fed's way in the 3rd game of the 2nd set, the match could've been a routine win 'while' Fed played 'decent'.
This loss was not that bad. It certainly wasn't as bad as how Djokovic lost to PK for example when he had NO chance to win bc he was never really 'up' in the match. Fed was 'up' in this match the whole time until the penultimate game. And it definitely wasn't as bad as how Nadal had to take a month+ off from tennis not daring to face Fed at all to preserve his h2h. It's not like Fed never played Nadal while in pain.
Do recall that Fed was actually 2pts away from the title when Thiem was serving at *4-5, 30-30. And this wasn't even the best Fed this week.
I think he'll be fine going forward .
That's one way to view it. Another way is that the player (Thiem) with less chances to break won the match. It won't always be like that. 3/4 BP > 2/11 BP was the stat of the match and the reason Thiem won.
I'm happy with Fed's current form. And it may get even better.
My takeaways from the loss to Thiem...
1. He had by far the best results out of the Big 3 at IW. Taking Thiem to 3 sets is a lot better than losing to Kohli in 2, or doing whatever the F Nadal did.
2. He has made the Final 3 years running. His level is still there and is fairly consistent for now.
Well the new courts seem to be faster than key Biscayne
Still not enough to win
The problem I saw, especially moving forward in regard to clay, was the success Thiem had targeting the Federer backhand with heavy deep topspin. Many times Thiem was willing to run around the forehand, taking himself way off the court, to target the backhand and Federer couldn’t make him pay for it. That’s a problem that will be further magnified on red clay.
As I said, in general I don’t think Roger played poorly, there’s no doubt with that form he’s going to be a serious contender on grass. In fact, if he doesn’t have a few mental lapses late in that match he probably should’ve have won. But the Nadal-esque tactics that Thiem employed and had success doing so isn’t a great sign for Roger for the clay season.
As much as I want to see him play Roland Garros I can’t help but think that yesterday’s match was a sign that it’s a pointless endeavor.
I don't think many people would've defeated the Thiem from the Final- probably only Djokovic and some servebot with a decent groundgame like Anderson/JMDP.
That’s tough to say as Thiem likely wouldn’t have employed the same tactics against someone with a good two handed backhand. And if he did he certainly wouldn’t have had the same amount of success doing it. For instance, Thiem regularly got out of trouble in his service games yesterday by throwing the kicker at Federer’s backhand — that’s not something he would have had as much success doing against a Kei Nishikori for example. That’s not to take anything away from Thiem he played superb and he actually showed me a higher on court intellect than I had previously seen out of him.
is there a link to this thread?Very harsh indeed.
In one of the all-time-great TTW exchanges, even the great LeeD admitted that Federer is more like a 4.5+ who might play some futures or even get close to making a main draw every now and then.
Again, if the points are of no concern for him, he should withdraw from the clay: he will get pummelled by a number of players, and can pick up a number of problems on the way.
Click the arrow or username on top of the quote, brother. Secret trick to take you into the LeeD'osphere!is there a link to this thread?
Roger hasn't said clay points are of no concern to him, he hasn't addressed the issue of points. Many Fed fans believe he's playing to assure a top 4 seed at Wimbledon. Even with their own seeding system, he needs to stay top 6 to have a chance at a top 4 Wimbledon seed.
I'm hoping he realizes his folly and skips clay again. He has no realistic shot of winning anything and will lose before even reaching the big guns.
I thought Fed fans would be used to it by nowThat's one way to view it. Another way is that the player (Thiem) with less chances to break won the match. It won't always be like that. 3/4 BP > 2/11 BP was the stat of the match and the reason Thiem won.
Actually Federer returned better than his average tbh. Nishikori would've been overpowered and Thiem would have many more looks in return games so Nishikori definitely would have very little chance . Thiem probably hits the heaviest ball on tour currently.
I thought Fed fans would be used to it by now