Looser = Better?

anubis

Hall of Fame
Normally I like low 50s tension.
But I hit with a friend's Wilson Juice 100 strung very loosely with what I believe to be a full bed of Luxilon Adrenaline, and I may have to rethink tension a bit.
I think the tension on this Juice is in the low 30s.
It was impressively comfortable, had easy power, lots of spin, and surprising control.
I was quite impressed.
Should I give it a try in my much flexier, less powerful Yonex?

Depends on what you're playing and why you're playing it. If you just hit on weekends with friends in a social setting and play friendly games for fun, then I recommend stringing as low as 35 lbs with full poly because it's comfortable, safe, and gives you a lot of spin. You won't have much accuracy, but you don't really need it because you're just playing for fun.

But if you want to compete on some amateur level, such as USTA league matches or local tournaments, then for the sake of high performance, you ought to string tight (mid to high 50's). You get way more control with a tighter stringbed, and when accuracy and performance matters, then you need to string tighter.
 

Suge

New User
That's not really true for modern co-poly strings. Because poly strings don't stretch the same way as natural gut or nylon strings, you don't get the same trampoline effects at low tensions

I string poly (luxilon, babolat...) at lower tensions (50's to 60's) for a few people and during the stringing (after stringing my racquet) I have to check everything to make sure I didn't set the tensioner to low or the the string gripper is allowing the the string to slip (just feels helluva lose/wrong). Poly strung at lower tensions will give you ball pocketing..
 
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seekay

Semi-Pro
I string poly (luxilon, babolat...) at lower tension (50's to 60's) for a few people and during the stringing (after string my racquet) and have to check everything to make sure I didn't set the tensioner to low or the the string gripper is allowing the the string to slip (just feels helluva lose). Poly strung at lower tensions will give you ball pocketing..

The strings deflect more, but that doesn't translate into power the way it does with more elastic strings.

I just noticed your sig. If you like kevlar/nylon in the upper 70's, you're not going to find any poly setup that has a familiar response. I don't think you're wrong to play with that setup, but consider that your perspective is pretty far removed from most, and that very few stringers would consider 60+ pounds to be a "low" tension for poly.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
The strings deflect more, but that doesn't translate into power the way it does with more elastic strings.

I just noticed your sig. If you like kevlar/nylon in the upper 70's, you're not going to find any poly setup that has a familiar response. I don't think you're wrong to play with that setup, but consider that your perspective is pretty far removed from most, and that very few stringers would consider 60+ pounds to be a "low" tension for poly.
Its a good post.

I am with Suge though in that full poly under say 75lbs is unplayable for me. At least i cant take full swings. Sure i could baby the ball and get it in but a normal stroke? Yikes.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
@Shroud Sorry, my original reply is embedded in the quote. The TT system is acting hinky and will not take my edits this morning. My reply read:

“The courts are littered with players who lack the technique, racquet head speed, and understanding of the appropriate path for a specific situation and are unable to hit topspin with penetration so yes, what you are suggesting absolutely exists. Flying balls, however, generally have much more to do with inconsistent swing paths, contact points and the stringbed angle at contact than low tension creating the so-called "rocket launcher" effect.”

As an aside on numerous occasions, I have given racquets strung with poly in the 30's to other players to try out, without giving them any idea of the tension. I have never received a comment on the tension being too low. Most guesses are somewhere in the 50's.
Ok. It must just be me. Figures. Every time i try full poly at normal tensions like the middle of the range its a rocket launcher. So i suppose my technique is jacked. But a crappy angle is a crappy angle regardless of the tensions right? Like high tensions still require solid technique too right?

And what should i change when stringing low. The only thing that remotely works is to just baby the ball and bunt it like a pusher. And that falls down in a match situ.
 

The Big Kahuna

Hall of Fame
Just depends on what you are looking for.. More power, lower tension is better. However if more control is what you seek, the higher the tension the more control... I tried stringing a poly at 70lbs, felt like a trampoline...

Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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The Big Kahuna

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Just depends on what you are looking for.. More power, lower tension is better. However if more control is what you seek, the higher the tension the more control... I tried stringing a poly at 70lbs, felt like a trampoline...

Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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The Big Kahuna

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Just depends on what you are looking for.. More power, lower tension is better. However if more control is what you seek, the higher the tension the more control... I tried stringing a poly at 70lbs, felt like a trampoline...

Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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The Big Kahuna

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Just depends on what you are looking for.. More power, lower tension is better. However if more control is what you seek, the higher the tension the more control... I tried stringing a poly at 70lbs, felt like a trampoline...

Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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The Big Kahuna

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Just depends on what you are looking for.. More power, lower tension is better. However if more control is what you seek, the higher the tension the more control... I tried stringing a poly at 70lbs, felt like a trampoline...

Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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The Big Kahuna

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Just depends on what you are looking for.. More power, lower tension is better. However if more control is what you seek, the higher the tension the more control... I tried stringing a poly at 70lbs, felt like a trampoline...

Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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The Big Kahuna

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Its a good post.

I am with Suge though in that full poly under say 75lbs is unplayable for me. At least i cant take full swings. Sure i could baby the ball and get it in but a normal stroke? Yikes.

Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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The Big Kahuna

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Its a good post.

I am with Suge though in that full poly under say 75lbs is unplayable for me. At least i cant take full swings. Sure i could baby the ball and get it in but a normal stroke? Yikes.

Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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Weird. I thought i said the exact opposite!

To be clear i am saying poly UNDER 75 is unplayable. Higher gives less power and more control.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Exactly. The HIGHER you string Poly the more power and less control you tend to get as it is “overstretched”. Poly is not multifilament or synthetic gut - different material and different characteristics.


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Oh and yes you are right with SOME polys. Some do stretch like isospeed baseline or ice when strung over say 70lbs. I am talking about polys that dont do that and can be strung at tensions over 80lbs and dont stretch.

Like 4g, Rpm, prince tournament poly, monogut, monofire, and i think ripspin iirc. And mosquito bite too. They gain control when strung tight
 

The Big Kahuna

Hall of Fame
Weird. I thought i said the exact opposite!

To be clear i am saying poly UNDER 75 is unplayable. Higher gives less power and more control.

And what I as saying is that Poly OVER 60 is unplayable. Lower tensions with Poly actually yields more control, feel, and spin.


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Dean S

New User
First, does anyone think that they can hit or swing their sticks like a pro? So DO NOT compare the tensions. For the rest of us, string tension will be different be cause of the variables. Racquet weight, string pattern, Frame design ... Now throw in string stiffness, machine that is used ... you get the point. So the differences can be 20 lbs or so. Never mind most players don't do back to back controlled testing. When someone says string Poly's for example at 55lbs, Just look at them smile and say ok.
 

SteveI

Legend
First, does anyone think that they can hit or swing their sticks like a pro? So DO NOT compare the tensions. For the rest of us, string tension will be different be cause of the variables. Racquet weight, string pattern, Frame design ... Now throw in string stiffness, machine that is used ... you get the point. So the differences can be 20 lbs or so. Never mind most players don't do back to back controlled testing. When someone says string Poly's for example at 55lbs, Just look at them smile and say ok.

I had one fellow asking me to string his frame with full poly at 65 lbs. He thought that was fine since he was coming from the syn. gut world. I took the time to explain the difference to him. We went with about 52/50. There are many factors to be considered for sure. It is important to know the type of player you are stringing for. Skill level.. swing speed and length.. etc. So many player have no clue about what might be the best set-up for them.
 
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I have a Gamma ERT 300 string tester. Sometimes when someone tells me that they only can play Poly at 25 kg, and they like very much how their Racquet plays right now at 25 kg. Then I measure their string bed stiffness and convert, and they generally play at around 17-18 kg. Most players do not even know how much tension their poly strings loose, and they play the strings till they break. This is of cause not true for TT members, but most players play with far less tension than they think they do :)

I am inspired by this thread, and I will try Alu power at 16 kg (36 lB) in my TT 100P to see how it feels. I generally play Gut/ISO Prof Classic 24/25 kg, I never liked full poly, but bouncing a ball of a 6.1 newly strung with Alu Power made me want to try this string, it had a great feeling, but I know hitting will be different.

Anyone tried the Alu Power at low tension.

Cheers

Toby
 

haqq777

Legend
I have a Gamma ERT 300 string tester. Sometimes when someone tells me that they only can play Poly at 25 kg, and they like very much how their Racquet plays right now at 25 kg. Then I measure their string bed stiffness and convert, and they generally play at around 17-18 kg. Most players do not even know how much tension their poly strings loose, and they play the strings till they break. This is of cause not true for TT members, but most players play with far less tension than they think they do :)

I am inspired by this thread, and I will try Alu power at 16 kg (36 lB) in my TT 100P to see how it feels. I generally play Gut/ISO Prof Classic 24/25 kg, I never liked full poly, but bouncing a ball of a 6.1 newly strung with Alu Power made me want to try this string, it had a great feeling, but I know hitting will be different.

Anyone tried the Alu Power at low tension.

Cheers

Toby
I have, a few times. For me, it is not even close.

Luxilon ALU Power plays so much better in the 30s lbs range than it does in high 50s or even 60s lbs . Great comfort and spin. No loss in control whatsoever. It gets a little more muted but that is not a drawback for me at all. Same magic Luxilon effect with more comfort.

I hate boardy feel in a stringbed and that is what I get if I string ALU Power in high fifties or above.

Good luck to you!
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
And what I as saying is that Poly OVER 60 is unplayable. Lower tensions with Poly actually yields more control, feel, and spin.


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Have you tried poly over 75? Sure some cant go that high and just elongate and elongate so are unplayable. But the ones that can take it have way more control at higher tensions. Below 75 poly is a trampoline...
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I have a Gamma ERT 300 string tester. Sometimes when someone tells me that they only can play Poly at 25 kg, and they like very much how their Racquet plays right now at 25 kg. Then I measure their string bed stiffness and convert, and they generally play at around 17-18 kg. Most players do not even know how much tension their poly strings loose, and they play the strings till they break. This is of cause not true for TT members, but most players play with far less tension than they think they do :)

I am inspired by this thread, and I will try Alu power at 16 kg (36 lB) in my TT 100P to see how it feels. I generally play Gut/ISO Prof Classic 24/25 kg, I never liked full poly, but bouncing a ball of a 6.1 newly strung with Alu Power made me want to try this string, it had a great feeling, but I know hitting will be different.

Anyone tried the Alu Power at low tension.

Cheers

Toby
My playable dt range is between 53-56. Below 53 things go awry. Which is over 75lbs iirc
 

The Big Kahuna

Hall of Fame
Have you tried poly over 75? Sure some cant go that high and just elongate and elongate so are unplayable. But the ones that can take it have way more control at higher tensions. Below 75 poly is a trampoline...

With all due respect, you are nuts! Poly st 75 lbs is a trip to the surgeon. Who do you know that plays a full bed of Poly at that tension?


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Shroud

G.O.A.T.
With all due respect, you are nuts! Poly st 75 lbs is a trip to the surgeon. Who do you know that plays a full bed of Poly at that tension?


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I do except its unplayable. Need a stiffer string so i use kevlar. Usually string at 86 lbs kev/poly.

So you say poly over 60 is unplayable but think 75lbs is a trip to the surgeon??? Really???
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
And what I as saying is that Poly OVER 60 is unplayable. Lower tensions with Poly actually yields more control, feel, and spin.


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Poly over 60 lbs is unplayable? Wow that’s strange I’ve been using poly between 60-70 lbs for years now with no problems and no trips to a surgeon. You say low tension poly gives more control? How do you know this? Have you made actual side by side comparisons?

I hear so many here make these great claims about how low tension poly has better control. All I ask is take two identical rackets and poly strings and string one racket at 35lbs and the other at 65lbs and go out and hit with both. Then tell me how the low tension racket has more control. Lol

One of my hitting partners that took a few years off because of injuries and just started hitting again. After a few times out he ordered some poly string to put new strings in. Nest time out with his new strings he was spraying the ball a lot and was not happy with his new strings.

I asked him what tension did he use and he said 40 lbs. he said he read that a lot of guys like you were saying that 40lbs is plenty and it will give good control. Well he found out the hard way that low tension did not work well for him. He cut that string out and put in his next poly set up at 55 lbs. and he hit much better next time out and said he will never string that low again.
 

SteveI

Legend
Used to play polys in the upper 50s and low 60s. I am now playing them in the high 40s to 50 lbs. Control for me is a product of good strokes and getting into proper position to execute shots. Having good RHS is also important.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Used to play polys in the upper 50s and low 60s. I am now playing them in the high 40s to 50 lbs. Control for me is a product of good strokes and getting into proper position to execute shots. Having good RHS is also important.

Then why do some pro players use real high tensions then? Do they not have good strokes and proper positioning?
Like I have mentioned many times a fresh strung racket at 50 lbs is plenty playable and if you notice pro players only use a string job for half a set then they change to a new set up.

But as I have found the 50 lbs. set up is fine the first day but by the 2nd and after it changes a lot to were it is now a rocket launcher.
 

SteveI

Legend
Then why do some pro players use real high tensions then? Do they not have good strokes and proper positioning?
Like I have mentioned many times a fresh strung racket at 50 lbs is plenty playable and if you notice pro players only use a string job for half a set then they change to a new set up.

But as I have found the 50 lbs. set up is fine the first day but by the 2nd and after it changes a lot to were it is now a rocket launcher.

I am not saying what works for everyone. I have consistent strokes and footwork and do not find the need for the higher tensions I used to play with. If you are a hard, flat ball hitter, you may indeed need to play with higher tensions. Everyone has a tension range they play well with. If I see a person, in general stringing very high.. they in are general not a clean ball striker. They are upping the tension to compensate for poor strokes and footwork. This is of course, my experience not reflection on anyone's game.
 

The Big Kahuna

Hall of Fame
I do except its unplayable. Need a stiffer string so i use kevlar. Usually string at 86 lbs kev/poly.

So you say poly over 60 is unplayable but think 75lbs is a trip to the surgeon??? Really???

Kevlar / Poly Hybrid at 86 lbs?! WHY?!

You might as well play with a cast iron frying pan!


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The Big Kahuna

Hall of Fame
I don’t know where everyone gets the idea that all the tennis pros play with full beds of poly strung in the 60s and 70s but it’s just not true. There are a few who might, sure, but most of them are stringing these days in the 40s and 50s. I know everybody has seen this website before (link below) but take a look at the string tentions for tennis pros from this year and you will see that this bears out. A number of them have switched to hybrids to soften the string bed.

http://www.colinthestringer.com/pros-strings/


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Suge

New User
I don’t know where everyone gets the idea that all the tennis pros play with full beds of poly strung in the 60s and 70s but it’s just not true. There are a few who might, sure, but most of them are stringing these days in the 40s and 50s. I know everybody has seen this website before (link below) but take a look at the string tentions for tennis pros from this year and you will see that this bears out. A number of them have switched to hybrids to soften the string bed.

http://www.colinthestringer.com/pros-strings/


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Your link triggered my anti virus... FYI
 

Tennease

Legend
Looser tension is better for full poly. My racquets are 14 oz each. Main string 35 lbs. Cross string 30 lbs. Very comfortable and easy power. The extra weight at the tip and the looser tension really makes it so very comfortable. You can feel the string really grabs or pockets the ball and it feels so easy to control the ball.
 
Poly changed a lot about tennis, as did lighter frames, slower courts/balls, and global warming. I blame bush, clinton, bush, Obama, and of course trump.

I went from
Natural gut at 70 with a 4 and 3/4 grip in the nineties
To
Experimenting with several multis at 65 in the early 2000s.
Then to a 4 and 5/8 grip in 2005 with gut/poly in the mid50s.
Now i use a size 4 and a half, with gut/poly at 55/50.

My Frames have gone from 390g to 340g.

Given the trends, i think looser s better to a degree. Maybe if i used polyester exclusively, i would go below fifty.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
I don’t know where everyone gets the idea that all the tennis pros play with full beds of poly strung in the 60s and 70s but it’s just not true. There are a few who might, sure, but most of them are stringing these days in the 40s and 50s. I know everybody has seen this website before (link below) but take a look at the string tentions for tennis pros from this year and you will see that this bears out. A number of them have switched to hybrids to soften the string bed.

http://www.colinthestringer.com/pros-strings/


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The chart you just showed had most in mid 50’s very few in the 40’s. With some in the 60’s. Plus everyone forgets that they use their string job for 7 games or so then change to new string job. So when you guys think your using the same tension that pro players use that is true for your first half hour with brand new string job. But not after that let alone days later with the same strings.
 
The chart you just showed had most in mid 50’s very few in the 40’s. With some in the 60’s. Plus everyone forgets that they use their string job for 7 games or so then change to new string job. So when you guys think your using the same tension that pro players use that is true for your first half hour with brand new string job. But not after that let alone days later with the same strings.
Daze? Hehe.
Moast peepel go munths with the sayme set of polly esther.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Kevlar / Poly Hybrid at 86 lbs?! WHY?!

You might as well play with a cast iron frying pan!


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I would if i could

My swing weight is 380+ with a stiff racquet (75ra). Need that to tame the power. Finally have a stick where i can go down a bit in the crosses. Now its kev/4g at 86/56lbs because of the denser pattern
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Yep and then can’t believe that they have arm problems.
Imho its the notching that makes it an arm killer. Thats why i use kevlar mains. They still move even when notched and are more arm friendly than full poly after it notches or full kevlar which notches pretty instantly
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Imho its the notching that makes it an arm killer. Thats why i use kevlar mains. They still move even when notched and are more arm friendly than full poly after it notches or full kevlar which notches pretty instantly

You might be right about that, it seems like a Kevlar main with a poly cross is easier on the arm than all poly.
 
If you go lower you got more power, but at what level the power will go lower.
For example. Normally stinging 22 kg and then go low to 19 kg and you got full power but at 16 kg the power will get lower.
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
Imho its the notching that makes it an arm killer. Thats why i use kevlar mains. They still move even when notched and are more arm friendly than full poly after it notches or full kevlar which notches pretty instantly
No offense, but your racquet sounds like elbow suicide. :$
Could not ever play with those specs.
At least it's heavy, though...
 

SteveI

Legend
Its not and i bet you could...

I am quite sure I could not play with your frame for a number of reasons.. unless I was playing with guys that are just bunting the balls back and forth. I know I can't play with a SW in the 380's and the static weight is way out of bounds for me. I would be scared to try to swing it fast with that string tension. I am not a young ..heavy hitter and have gone more multis and softer polys these days. You seem to have found a formula that works for you. Congrats..:)
 

Faris

Professional
TC (sat match)... they talked about his string tension... he is now way up in the upper 30s to get better control.. :)
I heard that too and for what its worth.....commentators were very ill-informed. He has been 38lbs all during Asian swing post USO this year not jst for WTF and there have been posts here verifying this in the past.. he has gone upto 40lbs infact in Wimbledon 2014 and was 36lbs in Wimbledon 2013. Came back down. He tinkers with a few pounds here and there often..nothing major, 38lbs is still very low tension....he was using VS touch mains at 36lbs and rpm rough 34 lbs during summers.. verified for @uk_skippy who has strung for him... and then was full bed Lux ALU Power rough at 35lbs for USO. He will probably go back to those tensions come summer...as many stated above, pro players are creatures of habit and dont deviate much from their usual go to setups...plus that winning Shanghai at a particular tension must be a big confidence booster in his string setup too..
 
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Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I am quite sure I could not play with your frame for a number of reasons.. unless I was playing with guys that are just bunting the balls back and forth. I know I can't play with a SW in the 380's and the static weight is way out of bounds for me. I would be scared to try to swing it fast with that string tension. I am not a young ..heavy hitter and have gone more multis and softer polys these days. You seem to have found a formula that works for you. Congrats..:)
Fair enough. Though i am old and out of shape and its not strength. Sure the technique is a bit different with higher swing weight but the people who have tried my sticks have had no issue swinging it. Fwiw you can tune a stick to have high sw and swing fast. So if you put say 20g at the hoop to increase to a 380sw. It will be sluggish. But if you add weight above the handle and lit enough you can get the racquet to not feel sluggish

And the high tension acts differently with lower swing weights so I can see why those tesnions look scary but in reality they dont feel scary
 

SteveI

Legend
Fair enough. Though i am old and out of shape and its not strength. Sure the technique is a bit different with higher swing weight but the people who have tried my sticks have had no issue swinging it. Fwiw you can tune a stick to have high sw and swing fast. So if you put say 20g at the hoop to increase to a 380sw. It will be sluggish. But if you add weight above the handle and lit enough you can get the racquet to not feel sluggish

And the high tension acts differently with lower swing weights so I can see why those tensions look scary but in reality they don't feel scary

My strokes tend to be a bit on the modern side. I am pretty sure I could not get your frames into position in time to play at my level and have the create the same RHS and topspin. I would have to shorten up my strokes... thus the "bunting". I also use quite a bit of spin to help land my serves. No way I could swing these fast enough to create the spin I need. Thanks for your insights..
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
My strokes tend to be a bit on the modern side. I am pretty sure I could not get your frames into position in time to play at my level and have the create the same RHS and topspin. I would have to shorten up my strokes... thus the "bunting". I also use quite a bit of spin to help land my serves. No way I could swing these fast enough to create the spin I need. Thanks for your insights..
Mine too. Pretty modern with topspin. Kick/twist serves mostly. No bunting. Just the opposite. Leed says i hit every ball as hard as possible whether it makes sense or not...

Anyhow travlerajm has some good explanations on how you can not lose spin when hitting with a high sw racquet. Said another way, RHS is not the only component in spin

Look at Sampras. One of the spinniest serves in history and he used a 14oz racquet strung at 80lbs...

So yeah i get you are not jumping to up your sw but i can tell you spin is possible with a high sw racquet. No need to bunt or have old school strokes...
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Speaking of Sampras, Nate Ferguson of P1 and Sampras' former stringer advised "string as loosely as you can control". It would do us all well to remember Sampras was not human.

And @Shroud is much man.
Thats my point. Anyone could play with my sticks. Especially if you have modern strokes. Hi sw is nothing if you are using the kinetic chain and its not like we are all facing pro level shots.

Its good advice to string as low as you can control and i recently came down 30lbs in the crosses because I switched to a 100” frame and its a fairly dense pattern
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Thats my point. Anyone could play with my sticks. Especially if you have modern strokes. Hi sw is nothing if you are using the kinetic chain and its not like we are all facing pro level shots.

Its good advice to string as low as you can control and i recently came down 30lbs in the crosses because I switched to a 100” frame and its a fairly dense pattern

Well, that's against what's going on in the game today. Even top pros are playing with lighter frames compared to even 5 or 6 years ago. The modern stroke incorporates high racket head speed. I do not see that in the many videos you've posted. I also don't see a particularly steep angle of attack on the ball. Your backhands leads with the elbow and doesn't have ton of spin. Your forehand is more a slap than what the modern game has. Nearly every D1 player today is using a Pure Drive or Pure Drive clone. The modern game is designed around that type of racket, not a 400 gram clunker from yesteryear.

And come on, talk about geezer, "kinetic chain" is so 80's.......
 
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