Low, low tensions. 30lbs feels great. 20lbs pretty good, too

Orion3

Semi-Pro
Anyone having arm issues with poly in the 30s or 40s? Thanks.

Sad to say but my elbow is getting sore and my wrist is starting to ache. Both sticks are currently down at 31lb, strings still alive and kicking (and snapping back). I'm loving playing full poly beds at such low tensions but I'm not sure my body will allow it.

Going to get one racquet strung with a Gut/Poly hybrid this week and hopefully I will see some improvement in my arm; failing that, I'm back to full gut.:(:(:(

If I can turn the situation around with a hybrid, I may keep one racquet strung with BHBR at 38lb so I have at least one stick I can go so if I need some extra bite...if my mind/body could handle the changes, I could play with one racquet to serve and another to recieve:-?
 

ricki

Hall of Fame
Hello, I think this reply from Luxilon page is worth reding for everyone:

Date: 1/26/2010

Question: hello jeff i have the prince rebel i strung with alu power spin 16l at 58 no power a little harsh. although i like the strings on my black speedport. the setup on the speedport had to much power, it is a diffrent raquet. anyway i lke the rebel and the string. question is : should i lower the tension to get more power and playablity so the strings doesnt feel so harsh. I usally string about 58 60

Answer: Hello... The lower the tension the more power the string will produce - but there are many other factors that affect power - as you have found. Your racquet choice will affect ball speed more than your string. And reducing tension will only have a limited impact on ball speed. It will, however, have a greater impact than can be measured in mph because the feel is different at lower tensions - and is generally preferred by recreational players. A better feeling racquet + string will produce added confidence and a freer, more powerful and more accurate swing - which will do much more to improve your performance than the actual physical differences in racquet or string characteristics. The key is to use what feels right for you. It is generally the case that people who say, "this string is dead" really mean that they just don't like the feel of it and don't hit with any authority or confidence. Even pros complain about poor feel when they think that something is different about their setup - even if it isn't.. Muscles and nerves are controlled by the brain - otherwise no golfer would suffer the "yips" and no tennis player would get tight serving for the match. Feeling good is much more important than being good (I think that's right.....) So, to finally answer your question - yes, string lower but not because it will produce substantially more power but because it will almost certainly feel better. Jeff
 

Z-Man

Professional
Looks like the Pros have discovered your secret. From the WSJ:

Tennis, Without All the Tension
Pros Are Stringing Their Rackets Looser Than Ever—and So Far, Nobody's Complaining

As the 2012 tennis season arrives in full flower this month with tournaments at Indian Wells and Miami, the game has settled into a new status quo that nobody could have predicted.

All the recent advancements in racket technology are pushing pros to try a trick that's extremely rare, if not unprecedented, in tennis history: They're playing with rackets whose strings are about as taut as a bowl of pad thai.

At tournaments, stringers say an increasing number of daredevil tour players, most of whom have compact, powerful groundstrokes, have started to ask them to shave as many as 20 pounds off their string tensions to take their rackets down to the low 30-pound and high 40-pound range. Those sorts of numbers were oddities a few years back when lively natural gut strings stretched into the high 60s (or occasionally even reached the 70s) reigned supreme on tour.

Bethanie Mattek-Sands, currently the third-highest-ranked American woman, strings her rackets at 38 to 40 pounds; doubles specialist David Martin is at 31 pounds and young American Jack Sock asks for 40.

The lowest request from the U.S. Open this past year: Filippo Volandri's rackets at an astonishingly slack 26 pounds. "A lot of players are going down in tension," says Joel Disbro, Wilson stringing tour manager who runs the on-site stringing operations at the U.S. and Australian Opens.

Racket strings have more punch when they're strung loosely because the ball dwells on the string bed longer, creating a trampoline effect. Years ago, when players used natural gut strings, this kind of slingshot power came at the expense of control—so most players opted for tighter strings and pinpoint placement.

Today, with the new generation of synthetic strings, players are discovering they can control that added power with all the spin the new, slicker strings naturally give them. "Players can actually control the ball better at lower tensions when they use poly strings and have a heavy topspin game," says Roman Prokes, a technician who strings for Andy Roddick and Caroline Wozniacki. "It's exactly the opposite of what we are used to."

For tennis fans, a famously cranky lot, most technological advances are met with dark predictions about what might happen to the game and how people will abandon the sport in droves. But in this case, the lower tensions seem to be helping. More players are figuring out their racket sweet spots, which could be a factor in stiffening competition. And more pros can knock the fuzz off the ball now while keeping it in the court with more topspin and control.

"For sure the poly string allows you to string way lower [in tension] and still get that unique combination of power, spin and control," Justin Gimelstob, a Tennis Channel commentator and former player, wrote in an email. "The most unique part of the new strings is the way players are able to accelerate so violently and bring the ball up and down so severely. It's one of the reasons it's so tough to attack the net because in a way the dimensions of the court have been altered. Angles now exist that didn't years ago."
 

nickarnold2000

Hall of Fame
those tensions are crazy man. Id be launching balls if i put it that low
The key words in the article above were [it benefits] those "using a heavy topspin game". That comes from fast racket head speed - flatter hitters are going to have problems with control at such low tension.
I just tried out a 33/30lbs hybrid job (listed below)and it was great. My partner was having trouble with all the spin and the higher bouncing balls. It's starting to loosen up thou so I'm not sure what's going to happen when I play next; it might be too uncontrollable . If I changed rackets every 7 games like the pros do, I would string this low every time. :)
 

Orion3

Semi-Pro
The key words in the article above were [it benefits] those "using a heavy topspin game". That comes from fast racket head speed - flatter hitters are going to have problems with control at such low tension.
I just tried out a 33/30lbs hybrid job (listed below)and it was great. My partner was having trouble with all the spin and the higher bouncing balls. It's starting to loosen up thou so I'm not sure what's going to happen when I play next; it might be too uncontrollable . If I changed rackets every 7 games like the pros do, I would string this low every time. :)

those tensions are crazy man. Id be launching balls if i put it that low


Think you'd both be surprised - hitting with a full bed of poly at low tension gives you access to lots more topspin and the power increase is negligible.

I no longer can play with full poly (TE) but when I could I changed my grip from a SW to an Eastern to actually flatten out my shots; the pocketing increased my topspin significantly.

I'm now playing with a gut hybrid and miss the spin and ability to hit out but at least I can still play - so there is an upside.

Last thing - poly strings last much longer at these tensions. Don't think you'll need to change every 7 games. 7 hours maybe :)
 

Hankenstein

Hall of Fame
I just strung my Bab APDGT in 30 lbs with MSV Focus Hex 1,27 black. It gave a DT of 22,5

Will try it after the weekend and see how it plays in such a high power frame
 

SlowTiger

Professional
Well it also depend son the type of poly you have too. I've found power polys and just other poly play different at low tension. Something like prince beast xp does add a bit more power at lower tension but the power dies down as the string dies. Same for spin though. I think this would work best with some spin oriented textured polys like solinco tour bite.
 

imalil2gangsta4u

Hall of Fame
Thinking of dropping the tension down on my IG Speed from 52 to around 45 since I am coming back from a shoulder/arm injury.

Anyone have experience with Alu Rough at lower tensions?
 

Hankenstein

Hall of Fame
I tried 30 lbs yesterday with the 1,27 mm MSV Focus Hex black. I normally string my silicone filed APDGT´s with the same string but in 52 lbs.

Sure, for just "goofing" around, or hitting out balls to kids, 30 lbs is ok, but to play with 30 lbs in such a high power frame is out of the question. It felt as there was no control what so ever and i had to slow down my swing to much and just push the ball over the net.

Maybe 38-40 lbs, on clay, would be a good option, and that will be my next tension to try, but for now, 30 lbs is absolutely unplayable.

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Devilito

Hall of Fame
I tried 30 lbs yesterday with the 1,27 mm MSV Focus Hex black. I normally string my silicone filed APDGT´s with the same string but in 52 lbs.

Sure, for just "goofing" around, or hitting out balls to kids, 30 lbs is ok, but to play with 30 lbs in such a high power frame is out of the question. It felt as there was no control what so ever and i had to slow down my swing to much and just push the ball over the net.

Maybe 38-40 lbs, on clay, would be a good option, and that will be my next tension to try, but for now, 30 lbs is absolutely unplayable.

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The more you want to keep the ball in the court the faster your swing should be. Imparting more spin so the ball drops in. If you have to swing lighter to keep balls in you must be hitting flat shots which no pro does. That’s why Volandri and many other pros can string so low and hit much harder than you do. So it’s not that 30lbs is unplayable, it’s just unplayable with your play style.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
i am now down to 46lbs ZoVerve M gosen microsheep X. i started at 60lbs. i love it! might try 44lbs next time
 

defrule

Professional
I strung my n90 with Blackcode at 30lb. It hits well but the biggest problem is that every shot felt almost the same and I never get the clean pop as I did with higher tensions.
 

Wilander Fan

Hall of Fame
How about poly mains and multu cross? I am tempted to take it back but it seems like I should hit a couple more times to see if it is just a matter of getting used to it. 49lbs.
 
So I tried 15 kg (33 lbs) Polylon 16 in my PS 85. Great experience! More comfortable, more consistant due to bigger sweetspot/more pocketing. String movement not a problem. Looking forward to trying it in other rackets.
I came from 21-23 kgs in polys, 23-26 kgs in syn gut.
 
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Move the mouse to your left hand. Takes a little time, but you can get used to it.
 

nickarnold2000

Hall of Fame
So I tried 15 kg (33 lbs) Polylon in my PS 85. Great experience! More comfortable, more consistant due to bigger sweetspot/more pocketing. String movement not a problem. Looking forward to trying it in other rackets.
I came from 22-23 kgs in polys, 25-26 kgs in syn gut.
I'm interested in how many hours you're going to get out of this setup. I use a leaded tweener and did a poly hybrid(see below) at 33/30lbs. It was great for the first hour with tons of spin and then the strings loosened up and control started to be an issue. I can still use it for drilling but not for serious matches.
 
Just wanted to chime in for a moment, I was reading the first few pages of this thread before I got my racket strung up yesterday, and additionally saw the WSJ article that was posted by a fellow member on page 59, taped up in the tennis shop, and after reading about stringing poly's at such a low tension, I decided what the heck, I'll give it a shot as well! So I had my Wilson ProStaff Six.One 100 strung up with Luxilon ALU Big Banger Rough 16L at 45lbs in the Mains and Crosses (Just ate through a Savage Black/Shock Shield combo in about a week, :cry: and wanted something more durable but comfortable) All I can say is WOW, the amount of spin that I am now generating on both my forehand and one handed backhands is just stupidly funny and, playing without my vibe dampener, I love the feel of it! It isn't spongy and does not launch cannon ball shots unless I muck up the shot myself, and I just absolutely love it! I even went as far as to order another Six.One 100 and will have it strung up exactly like my current one, EXCEPT I think I will have the tension dropped to 35-38lbs. I have had elbow and wrist problems in the past and have always had a string setup that included poly strings, but with a full bed of poly strung 8lbs lower than the rackets lowest recommended tension, it is comfortable, controllable, and the power is on demand when I need it. Serves I still need to get used to, with some shooting like Hellfire missiles down the Tee, and others jumping up, left and right with super kick to them. Bottom line is this, ProStaff Six.One 100 with a full bed of Luxilon ALU Big Banger Rough @ 45lbs, WIN for me =D I'll post again when I get my 2nd racket strung up later next week and have had a chance to hit with it.
 

CDestroyer

Professional
Played Ashaway Kevlar 1.10 in mains at 50 pounds Gosen OG 1.25 in crosses at 50 pounds. This gave my rally ball a loopy, consistent, spinny trajectory.

Same setup with Ashaways at 45 pounds in mains and Gosen at 50 pounds in the crosses. This made my shots seem like low, hard line drives with minimum spin.

I would never play at any tension lower than this and as a mof Im going back to the 50/50 setup for the additional control. Ill just have to do some sprints to be able deal with the addtional demand on stamina due to swinging harder for pace.

Cheers.
 
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dman72

Hall of Fame
My current setup on my 03 Shark is Klipper Kevlar 18 gauge mains at 45lbs, Klipper spin max (rpm knock off) crosses at 50 lbs due to assumed loss of tension with poly.

Love it, love it. Gonna string up the backup even a little lower.
 
I'm interested in how many hours you're going to get out of this setup. I use a leaded tweener and did a poly hybrid(see below) at 33/30lbs. It was great for the first hour with tons of spin and then the strings loosened up and control started to be an issue. I can still use it for drilling but not for serious matches.
Yes, well I am not playing a whole lot at the moment since I am also training for a marathon in may. But I will try to report my findings. Looking foreward to trying Polylon 17 at 15kg in my K90 also.
 
I have a set of SPPP lying around and was wondering if I should bang that in at around 45lbs.. I know that isn't LOW, but I've been playing with Syn gut at 52 at the moment and keen to try something new.

Any suggestions?? Cheers
 
I have a set of SPPP lying around and was wondering if I should bang that in at around 45lbs.. I know that isn't LOW, but I've been playing with Syn gut at 52 at the moment and keen to try something new.

Any suggestions?? Cheers
45 poly and 52 syn gut should be relatively eqvivalent imo. You should really go to 35 or lower with poly to try the difference imo.
 
45 poly and 52 syn gut should be relatively eqvivalent imo. You should really go to 35 or lower with poly to try the difference imo.

Thanks bro! :)

- When using strings at a lower tension, not just talking about 20-30lbs, say around 40, will it be less likely that the strings will break?

:)
 
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Fuji

Legend
I might have missed it but...

Has anyone tried a Kevlar/Poly hybrid at low tensions? It seems like it might be an interesting match. If anyone is willing to sacrifice a set of Kevlar and post results that'd be awesome! I just don't have any right now to experiment with!

-Fuji
 

keithfival

Professional
Ok, I'm biting. Just strung my APDC+ with 18g Wilson Enduro poly at 32 lbs. From bouncing a ball on the strings it actually feels noticeably less trampoliney than it usually does in the 50s. Will see tomorrow.
 
Head youtek 315 mp strung at 30 with klippermate spin max Hit 30 minutes and was nothing like I expected. Amazing control. Not great pace. Had to swing aggressive to really get spin potential. Some balls seem to dive onto court but not kick as hard. Is that possible ? Could not serve so not sure on serve. Volleys were effortless. I am a 4.5 player with power and spin gonna try a bit more tension to compare. I string usually 60 pus even with polys. Super comfortable and soft. Hitting partner said he could barely hear my impact with ball. Just strung same racquet with genesis twisted razor at 42 to compare. Will post results.
 

Wuppy

Professional
All right I just did Black Mamba at 40 (I usually do it at 62), gonna play tomorrow we'll see how it feels.
 

Wuppy

Professional
All right I played today and it's just too loose. If I hit it perfectly I could get the standard amount of spin and definitely more power. But I had much less room for error and if I was even just a tiny bit off the ball would sail long by a mile. I had to hit flatter shots to make sure it wouldn't sail long.

It's a no-go for me. If I were a flatter hitter I might do it though.
 

Wuppy

Professional
So after a few days of letting the above^^^ strung racquet sit around while playing with another one, I tried playing with it and the 40# strings were buzzing like mad. Felt terrible, sounded even worse. Totally unusable.

So it doesn't seem like stringing poly at lower tension actually delays it from going dead. This one had about 1 hour of play and sat for 5 days. :confused:
 

Fuji

Legend
So after a few days of letting the above^^^ strung racquet sit around while playing with another one, I tried playing with it and the 40# strings were buzzing like mad. Felt terrible, sounded even worse. Totally unusable.

So it doesn't seem like stringing poly at lower tension actually delays it from going dead. This one had about 1 hour of play and sat for 5 days. :confused:

I've found that it works much better on some polys then on others. PHT16/17 are some of my favourite polyester strings at low tensions, another good one I've found is that Alien 16 string @ 30lbs. :) (I tried RPM blast at 35lbs and it was just awful, it turned out exactly as you described.)

-Fuji
 
Head youtek 315 mp strung at 30 with klippermate spin max Hit 30 minutes and was nothing like I expected. Amazing control. Not great pace. Had to swing aggressive to really get spin potential. Some balls seem to dive onto court but not kick as hard. Is that possible ? Could not serve so not sure on serve. Volleys were effortless. I am a 4.5 player with power and spin gonna try a bit more tension to compare. I string usually 60 pus even with polys. Super comfortable and soft. Hitting partner said he could barely hear my impact with ball. Just strung same racquet with genesis twisted razor at 42 to compare. Will post results.

Ive quoted myself because now I have throughly experimented with the low tensions and here is what I got.

Racquet is Youtek MP 315, 16x19, Genesis Twisted razor. I am a 4.5 + player, big guy, big strokes on all hands and serve. Usually string my Multis at 62 +/- and 60 +/- on polys. Went away from polys for a while because of tension maintenance issues till I found Genesis which is very good with tension maintenance. So here goes.

4 Racquets each at 30, 35, 42, 48 lbs tension.

30LB: Was surprised by totally the opposite of what I thought would happen. Not alot of trampoline effect, great control on most groundies, spin was weird because although control was great and the ball seemed to dive into court, the ball was NOT kicking alot per my view and my hitting partner who knows me well. He said ball seemed slow but had good dive into court but not alot of giddie up after hit court, I think I could deduce that the diving was because of less pace on ball. Serves was the same, seemed to get great curvature and control but not great court bite or kick. Volleys seems pretty good as long as I just tryied to catch the ball and not step to it too hard, almost like racquet was doing work for me on volleys. NOW THE WEIRDEST thing is that according to my hitting partner there were instances were there was CRAZY spin and kick of the court but was not CONSISTENT. I started realizing that there was a very fine line in inpact angle, racquet speed and quality of shot that would produce this. IT almost felt like if I focused to REALLY put serious spin it would give SERIOUS SPIN but was not easy spin. And the weirdest part is that I thought it would feel soft and it did but my arm felt it a bit, not a alot but did feel it, I can say perhaps more than same setup at 60 which is my usual. In conclusion after hitting twice for about half hour I am not sure what I think. I think that the amount control that seems to come from this tension is more related to the lack of pace and I hit hard and swing hard. So conclusion ???? Not sure really, I like it and I dont and !#$@#%@#$

35LB: Didnt seem to different from the above except that I could not seem to volley AT ALL with this tension, Serves seemed good with perhaps a bit more bite and kick and pace but also was seeming to get consisent shots, almost like sweet spot seemed TINY. The only thing I liked better here was a bit more bite and pace on serves. BTW the time on the racquet face both at 30 and 35 was actually very different feel, not bad just different.

42 LBS: Sting bed seemd to vibrate a bit more here even with dampener, not terribly but noticeable. I can say that shots had more pace and spin was good but again nothing like what others have reported so far with that crazy spin. What I can say is that my serve control was OFF THE CHARTS here. I could not miss ANY serve, flat, kick, slice all seemed to go in easily with nice pace and spin when spin applied. Groundstrokes had more pop than above and again spin was good but NOTHING crazy. so far I would say that of the low tensions this would be the one I like the best so far. Control better than I expected at this low tension specialy on serve, I cant say that groundies were much better, they were a little less pace and perhaps a lilttle better control than perhaps my normal 60LB setup. did not get to volley with this will try later on.

48LB: Can I say that I dont like this, sting bed got really uncomfortable, actually was bothering arm and shoulder a bit specially on serve. Equal power than 42 but less control on grounds and spin was less. I kept putting this one down and going back to the 42 or the 60LB setup. This tension NEVER felt good nor I got comfortable with at any time during 2 sessions.

60LB setup: Can I say that I still feel that this is the setup that gives me ALL AROUND the most at least for now. the funny thing is that I really think that almost all these tensions would be playable if you play it long enough to be comfortable with it. the 35 and 48LB setup I felt were marginal in all ways from the higher and the lower but I think I could play with 30, 42, 60 and play similarly with all 3, IS THAT JUST A CRAZY CONSLUSION ????

I have to say that If I can SURELY conclude ANY thing it would be the following.

1. The poly at the lower tension at least the Genesis was not softer feeling than the higher tension, actually was uncomfortable at some of the lower tensions.

2. Lower tension is not always more power less control, I think there is a threshhold with all setups where the curve turns the other way.

3, playing styles and quality of player and strokes goes a LONG way in determining if these lower tensions will work for you or not. I think that these low tensions will benefit the higher level player that can generate effortless power, I think it can REALLY hurt the player who doesnt have great strokes and body movement.

4. I dont know but I will bet and will try later on that different polys and different racquest will have GREAT differences in results. Want to read more on the 18x20 patterns and results with that.

5. You can play hi or low, if you play it long enough and are a good player you can adapt and make the most out of it.

6. I want to say that the control at the lower tension would serve much better play on clay courts than the hard courts and I even think that it would accentuate some of the ball trajectory differences.

Well thats what I got so far. I am still going to be cutting strings out and trying setups. I may try 52 or 54 with this setup just to close that final gap. What are your thoughts form what Ive deduced as compared to your trials.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I can't see anything wrong with any tension in the forties range, but maybe with an open patterned 100" early fifties is better.
 
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