Martina Navratilova .......GOAT of Women's Tennis?

Martina Navratilova .......GOAT of Women's Tennis?

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FedSampras

Semi-Pro
From an old article (The Great Martina Navratilova)
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Martina Navratilova is widely regarded as the greatest female tennis player in the history of the game. She captured 18 Grand Slam singles titles and 40 Grand Slam doubles titles.

She was born in Czechoslovakia on October 18, 1956 and at age 18 defected to the United States in 1975. She was granted US citizenship in 1981. Her given name was Martna Subertova but her parents divorced when she was three and her mother remarried a man named Miroslav Navratil, who would later one become her very first tennis coach. Martina later on adopted her stepfather’s name and added the feminine suffix “ova.”

By the time she was 15, Navratilova was making her mark on the tennis scene. She won the Czechoslovakian national tennis championship in 1972 and turned professional the very next year at age 16. Her first professional singles victory came in 1974 in Orlando, Florida.

She is best known as a strong left-handed serve-and-volleyer with magnificent volleying skills and an aggressive and powerful game. Her excellence on the court raised the quality of the women’s game to new heights. Early in her career, Navratilova was on the overweight side and received some sharp remarks from the press for it. However, showing her firm determination, Navratilova soon whipped herself into shape with a punishing fitness routine that she maintained throughout the rest of her career. Eventually, a high level of conditioning soon became a hallmark of her game.

In 1978, she won her first Grand Slam singles tournament at Wimbledon, defeating Chris Evert in three sets in the championship. Her victory propelled her to the top of the women’s rankings and she was named the number one female tennis player in the world for the first time. Evert and Navratilova would meet again in the Wimbledon finals a year later and Navratilova would once again prevail.

In 1981, Navratilova bagged her third Grand Slam singles title, once again by defeating Evert in the finals, this time in the Australian Open. In 1982, she would go on to win both Wimbledon and the French Open.

By the mid-1980s, Navratilova hit her stride and embarked on her domination of the women’s tennis scene. After losing the French Open in 1983, she would go o to win all three remaining Grand Slam tournaments that year – Wimbledon, the US Open and the Australian Open. Amazingly, her defeat at the season-opening French Open was her only loss for that season and she went 86-1 win-loss for the year. That is the best-ever winning percentage for a professional tennis player for a single season.
 
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AndrewD

Legend
If she's the GOAT, how come she couldn't win the (proper) Grand Slam? Connolly, Court and Graf managed to do it but Navratilova couldn't, even when she totally dominated women's tennis (and every other female player). The GOAT gets it done, Navratilova couldn't.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
If she's the GOAT, how come she couldn't win the (proper) Grand Slam? Connolly, Court and Graf managed to do it but Navratilova couldn't, even when she totally dominated women's tennis (and every other female player). The GOAT gets it done, Navratilova couldn't.

Considering that Navratilova has the all-time record for most Wimbledons ... all-time record for most WTA Tour Championships ... all-time record for most singles titles ... all-time record for most doubles titles ... all-time record for most consecutive years winning Wimbledon ... all-time record for most longevity at the top of women's tennis ... all-time record for most years between first and last Grand Slam titles in either singles or doubles ---- she sure was the best choice for the "Greatest Female Player of All Time" title.
 

grafrules

Banned
If she's the GOAT, how come she couldn't win the (proper) Grand Slam? Connolly, Court and Graf managed to do it but Navratilova couldn't, even when she totally dominated women's tennis (and every other female player). The GOAT gets it done, Navratilova couldn't.

She didnt complete the calender Grand Slam, but she did manage to win 6 in a row, still extremely impressive. Just unfortunate for her she happened to lose the first of 83 and last of 84.
 

BTURNER

Legend
What I don't find so impressive.

I don't overly impressed by :
The calender slam: artificially defined time frame. six slams in a row is more impressive than four in a row within a calender year.

The year end championship: It's not even a two week event, always played on a fast surface. the Lipton /sony erikson open is more imprssive. I chunk of years the year end championship wasn't even held until the next year!

Most titles: Who cares how many 'Oklahoma City Opens" you have in the closet?
I am impressed by diversity in surface, consistency throughout a career, length of time at # !, and of course grand slams.
 

FedSampras

Semi-Pro
MN is also the only one to have the.............

- most consecutive years at #1 ...
- most Wimbledon singles titles ...
- most consecutive years winning Wimbledon ...
- most overall total Grand Slam titles won ....
- most singles titles won on the WTA Tour ...
-most doubles titles won on the WTA Tour ...
- most impressive record for longevity and playing past the age of 30.
- most wins head to head between Graff and Navratilova in the Slams.
- most wins head to head between Graff and Navratilova at the YEC ( Championships.)


Oh, may I add a few more impressive numbers to this list, please? Martina also holds the records for -
-- most singles matches won (Navratilova-1442, Evert-1304, Graff-900)
-- most consecutive singles matched won (74)
-- most consecutive doubles matches won (109, record shared with Pam Shriver)
-- most dominant year (86-1 W/L record in 1983)
-- 2nd oldest player to hold the #1 ranking (Evert was oldest)
-- most career wins over the #1 player
-- most years finished ranked in the top 10 (Navratilova - 20; Evert - 19, Graff & Seles - 13)
-- most weeks ranked #1 in singles and doubles at the same time (Navratilova-103, Graf -0)
-- most career prize money (by far) when you factor in prize money relativity
-- most years finished ranked #1 in prize money
-- most consecutive years earning $100K or more
-- most consecutive years earning $500K or more
-- most years earning $500K or more
-- most consecutive years on top 10 prize money list (Navratilova-20, Evert-16 ... Graff is 6th on this list at 11)
-- most consecutive WTA Tour singles titles (Navratilova-13, Court-12)
-- most consecutive years winning at least 1 singles title (Navratilova -21, Evert-18 )
-- most singles titles won at the same tournament (Navratilova-Chicago/12, Navratilova-Eastbourne/11, Graff-Berlin/9)
-- most consecutive titles won a tthe same tournament (Navratilova-Wimbledon/6, Navratilova-Chicago/6, Graff-Hamburg/6)
--- most dominant individual performance at a 128-draw grand slam event - US Open: Navratilova conceded just 19 games at the 1983 US Open
- most dominant individual performance at Wimbledon: Navratilova conceded just 25 games at the 1983 Wimbledon (Evert conceded just 26 games at the 1981 Wimbledon)
-- most singles matches won in the same season: Navratilova-74 (1984), Graff- 66 (1990, snapped by Monica Seles).
-- most consecutive singles finals reached (23)
-- most WTA Tour awards for doubles team of the year (10 - 2 with King, 8 with Shriver)
-- most WTA Tour awards - 18
-- most WTA Tour Special Service to the Game Award - Billie Jean King is the only person to have won this twice since it was first awarded in 1980; Navratilova, Evert and Shriver have all received this award. Graff was never nominated.

Should I add more records for MN or is this enough?:D
 
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I think Margaret Court's 62 Grand Slam titles is the record.

Actually it was 61, but yes you are correct.. These idiots post these threads because they think we have nothing better to talk about.. Martina is only second to Court, Graf is a distant 3rd...
 

FedSampras

Semi-Pro
Martina is not that good. Steffi Graf and Margret Court are much better.

Navs was not good, she was GREAT. She is the undisputed GOAT of women's tennis.

Why overrated Graff will never be considered GOAT..................:D

a) incredibly weak era - only rivals mental pygmies Sanchez, Sabatini etc. Novotna played her off the court in W 93 only to choke in the most horrible fashion ever seen.

b) when a better player came along (Seles) she was ruthlessly and terrifyingly removed from the equation by a Graf "fan" at a time when Graff could hardly win a slam at all.
 

superstition

Hall of Fame
Billie Jean King said Margaret Court competed in a weaker field than Martina Navratilova did, because this was before women's tennis became professional.

The thing that really boggles the mind is considering how dominant Navratilova would have been in her early career years if she had been physically trained/coached better. She won her first title in 1974 and was in two slam finals in 1975, and was 18 then. She could have been dominant for many extra years if she has been in better shape. That would have added how many slams and records?

Commentators also said she could have easily surpassed Court's slam total if she hadn't retired in 1994/95. While she probably wouldn't have won another singles title, she could have won quite a few doubles/mixed titles.
 
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superstition

Hall of Fame
1973 said:
lost 1973 S & H Green Stamp Classic, Fort Lauderdale. First tournament played. Made it to the quarters.

lost 1973 French Open, Paris. First slam played.
QF l/t. Evonne Goolagong (Aus)
6-7 4-6

best results 1973 - SF: St. Petersburg, Charlotte, Toronto, Bratislava.

Losses to main rivals:

Evert: Akron 1R 6-7 3-6, St. Petersburg SF 5-7 3-6.

Goolagong: Hingham 1R 4-6 4-6, Sarasota 1R 2-6 1-6, French Open QF 6-7 4-6, Bratislava SF 3-6 5-7, Charlotte SF 2-6 3-6.
1974 said:
first tournament won:

1974 Barnett Bank Classic, Orlando

best results 1974 - W: Orlando, F: Australian Open (called 1975?), Hamburg, Rome, SF: Eastbourne
The beginning.
 
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superstition

Hall of Fame
Turned Pro said:
Best slam result so far: lost Australian Open final Dec 1974

QF def. Margaret Court (Aus)
6-4 6-3
F l/t. Evonne Goolagong (Aus)
3-6 2-6

won 1975 Virginia Slims Washington. First victory over Evert after 5 losses. For the rest of 1975, Evert won 9 more matches and lost 1 against Navratilova. 1 of the nine matches was a withdrawal from a final.

QF def. Chris Evert (US)
3-6 6-4 7-6
SF def. Virginia Wade (Gbr)
6-3 7-6

won 1975 Virginia Slims Boston. First victory over Goolagong after 7 losses.

QF def. Virginia Wade (Gbr)
6-2 1-6 7-5
SF def. Margaret Court (Aus)
3-6 6-1 6-4
F def. Evonne Goolagong (Aus)
6-2 4-6 6-3

lost 1975 Virginia Slims Chicago in final.

SF def. Chris Evert (US)
6-4 6-2
F l/t. Margaret Court (Aus)
3-6 6-3 2-6

won 1975 Federation Cup, Aix en Provence

F def. Evonne Goolagong (Aus)
6-3 6-4

lost 1975 French Open. Best result so far.

F l/t. Chris Evert (US)
6-2 2-6 1-6

lost 1975 Wimbledon. Best result so far:

QF l/t. Margaret Court (Aus)
3-6 4-6

best US Open result so far:

QF def. Margaret Court (Aus)
6-2 6-4
SF l/t. Chris Evert (US)
4-6 4-6

won 1975 Majestic International, Denver

best results 1975 - won Washington, Boston, Aix En Provence, Denver, F: Chicago, Dallas, LA, Amelia Island, Rome, Atlanta, Orlando
Great results for the first year as a pro.

Here is where we see the missed opportunity years start... 1976. The year started out well, with her first victory over Evert, but stagnated overall, with only two titles coming. Bud Collins dubbed Martina "The Great Wide Hope" because she gained too much weight eating American fast food. When Martina should have been at her physical peak, she was overweight.

won 1976 Virginia Slims, Houston. First victory over Evert in a final.
F def. Chris Evert (US)
6-3 6-4

won 1976 Colgate Sydney Open, Sydney
QF def. Margaret Court (Aus)
6-3 6-4
F def. Betty Stove (Ned)
7-5 6-2

1976 is an odd year. She lost twice to Betty Stove whom she beat when she was 16 in 1973. She lost to Goolagong every time she played her (4 matches). She lost to Virginia Wade twice after winning most of her matches against her in 75. She only won two tournaments, Houston and Sydney.
 
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superstition

Hall of Fame
Last two years of singles said:
won 1993 Toray Pan Pacific Open, Tokyo

SF def. Steffi Graf (Ger)
4-6 6-3 6-3

won 1993 Open Gaz de France, Paris

SF def. Jana Novotna (Cze)
6-1 6-2
F def. Monica Seles (Yug)
6-3 4-6 7-6

won 1993 Eastbourne

won 1993 Virginia Slims, Manhattan Beach

SF def. Gabriela Sabatini (Arg)
6-1 6-1
F def. Arantxa Sanchez Vicario (Esp)
7-5 7-6

won 1993 Bank of the West Classic, Oakland

SF def. Lindsay Davenport (US)
1-6 6-3 7-5
F def. Zina Garrison-Jackson (US)
6-2 7-6

best results 1993 - W: Tokyo, Paris de Gaz, Eastbourne, Manhattan Beach, Oakland. F: Chicago, Zurich, SF: Wimbledon,


won 1994 Open Gaz de France, Paris

lost 1994 Wimbledon, London

F l/t. Conchita Martinez (Esp)
4-6 6-3 3-6

best results 1994 - W: Paris (Gaz), F: Tokyo, Wimbledon, Rome, Oakland. SF: Amelia Island.
Her final singles titles came 20 years after she won her first.

It's hard to believe that she started in 1973 and beat a slam-winning player who is still on the singles tour in her last year of singles play (Davenport), 20 years later. It's also amazing that she played Court and retired from doubles last year.
 
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hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Talk about longevity--

Didn't Martina win a GS (Wimbledon?) mixed doubles title just a few years ago?
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Martina's longevity

Here we go:


most recent mixed doubles titles--
2003 Australian Open (w/ Leander Paes)

2003 Wimbledon (w/ Leander Paes)

2006 U.S. Open (w/ Bob Bryan)
 
Martina Navratilova is the greatest female player of all time. Court may have more slams in singles and overall, but Martina's wins are much more wieghty. Court's resume' is heavily diluted. Relying too much on less impressive wins down under, and mixed doubles titles, whereas Navratilova leads in the more important doubles category, and winning the big ones at W and USO.
 

FedSampras

Semi-Pro
Martina Navratilova is the greatest female player of all time. Court may have more slams in singles and overall, but Martina's wins are much more wieghty. Court's resume' is heavily diluted. Relying too much on less impressive wins down under, and mixed doubles titles, whereas Navratilova leads in the more important doubles category, and winning the big ones at W and USO.

very true:) . navratilova is the widely recognized GOAT. Not as many single slams as graff or court but there are no "parche-stabbing" or "any" asterisks against her record.

martina's record stands gloriously untainted - and you can't say that about graff's.
 

beernutz

Hall of Fame
Steffi is the GOAT due to her Golden Slam, plus Most Open Era Grand Slam Singles titles, plus longest reign at #1 at 377 weeks. She is also highest ranked player ever to retire at #3 in a year which she won a slam title. There are no asterisks next to her name in the record books (I looked).

Martina would be a very close #2, IMO.

Questioning other people's sanity because they disagree with you is generally the last refuge of someone who started with a poor argument.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Martina Navratilova is the greatest female player of all time. Court may have more slams in singles and overall, but Martina's wins are much more weighty. Court's resume' is heavily diluted. Relying too much on less impressive wins down under, and mixed doubles titles, whereas Navratilova leads in the more important doubles category, and winning the big ones at W and USO.

"my slam titles are better than your slam titles"?

You said it: "Court may have more slams in singles and overall." You convinced me; I guess it's Court.
 

BTURNER

Legend
Got a problem. Doubles is a different event, with a different set of rules. A separate sport if you will. Navratilova and Court SHARE those titles with someone else on a different team sport. We can argue about the GOAT doubles players, or GOAT singles players but combining them into one sport just messes up the stats and the comparison base.
 

BTURNER

Legend
GOAT SINGLES 1. Graf 2. Wills 3. Lenglen 4.Court 5. Navratilova 6. Evert ( almost tied)
GOAT DOUBLES 1. Navratilova 2. Court 3. Brough 4. Dupont 5. King 6. Shriver
 

Yes, Graf was a great player. The only asterisk is that Monica Seles had pretty well surpassed her by 1993, when Seles was stabbed and out of the game for two years, never returning regaining the same level of play.

Monica Seles question mark is always going to be there. Seles's only weakness at that time was grass - on all other surfaces, she outlasted Graf and would have won more grand slams than Steffi at that level in 1993.

The greatest female tennis player to have played the game is Martina Navratilova. Not only that, she was the most complete player (both men and women) to have accomplished so much in singles, doubles, and mixed doubles. Also one needs to put her achievements in context; she had Chris Evert competing with her in all those years.
 

FedSampras

Semi-Pro
Yes, Graf was a great player. The only asterisk is that Monica Seles had pretty well surpassed her by 1993, when Seles was stabbed and out of the game for two years, never returning regaining the same level of play.

Monica Seles question mark is always going to be there. Seles's only weakness at that time was grass - on all other surfaces, she outlasted Graf and would have won more grand slams than Steffi at that level in 1993.

The greatest female tennis player to have played the game is Martina Navratilova. Not only that, she was the most complete player (both men and women) to have accomplished so much in singles, doubles, and mixed doubles. Also one needs to put her achievements in context; she had Chris Evert competing with her in all those years.

BJ King on Navratilova(2006) : She's the greatest ##singles##, ##doubles## and #mixed doubles# player who's ever lived.........................:D
 

AJK1

Hall of Fame
Navratilova is the most complete of all time, but none of those mentioned in this thread would beat Henin. You can't compare different generations of player.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
Martina was stomped by Graf.

EXCEPT FOR THE TIMES Navratilova was thrashing Graf.

Where were their biggest matches? Grand Slam events and the WTA Tour Championships.

Navratilova had the winning edge vs. Graf at Grand Slam events ... Navratilova also had the winning edge vs. Graf in the WTA Tour Championships.

Navratilova had a winning record vs. Graf where it counted most -- the biggest events in the world.

Well, let's COUNT them then:

GRAND SLAM EVENTS

First, we will start with the Grand Slam events --- let's limit the results to the Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon and U.S. Open Championships --- since these actually are the Grand Slam events:

1985-08-26 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Navratilova won 6-2 6-3
1986-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Navratilova won 6-1 6-7 7-6
1987-05-25 French Open Clay F Steffi Graf won 6-4 4-6 8-6
1987-06-22 Wimbledon Grass F Navratilova won 7-5 6-3
1987-08-31 U.S. Open Hardcourt F Navratilova won 7-6 6-1
1988-06-22 Wimbledon Grass F Steffi Graf won 5-7 6-2 6-1
1989-06-26 Wimbledon Grass F Steffi Graf won 6-2 6-7 6-1
1989-08-28 U.S. Open Hardcourt F Steffi Graf won 3-6 7-5 6-1
1991-08-26 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Navratilova won 7-6 6-7 6-4

Not only a winning record for Navratilova vs. Graf in the Grand Slam events ... Navratilova won their only matches at the Grand Slam events that were won in straight sets ... 3 of Navratilova's 5 match wins vs. Graf in Grand Slam events were won in straight sets ... Graf never beat Navratilova in straight sets in a Grand Slam event --- but then, Graf only won 4 matches against Navratilova in Grand Slam events to begin with.

TOUR CHAMPIONSHIPS

Next, we will look at the Tour Championships --- let's limit the results to the singles since Steffi Graf did not play doubles -- even with Gunther Parche.

1986-03-17 Virginia Slims Championships SF Navratilova won 6-2 6-2
1986-11-17 Virginia Slims Championships F Navratilova won 7-6 6-3 6-2
1989-11-13 Virginia Slims Championships F Steffi Graf won 6-4 7-5 2-6 6-2

Not only a winning record for Navratilova vs. Graf in the Tour Championships ... Navratilova won their only matches at the Tour Championships that were won in straight sets ... both of Navratilova's 2 match wins vs. Graf in the WTA Tour Championships were won in straight sets ... Graf never beat Navratilova in straight sets the WTA Tour Championships --- but then, Graf only won 1 match against Navratilova at the WTA Tour Championships to begin with.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
A Separate Sport???

Got a problem. Doubles is a different event, with a different set of rules. A separate sport if you will. Navratilova and Court SHARE those titles with someone else on a different team sport. We can argue about the GOAT doubles players, or GOAT singles players but combining them into one sport just messes up the stats and the comparison base.

"one sport" called tennis.

both use tennis balls
both use tennis racquets,
both use a tennis court
both have the same objectives

Doubles may involve another player, but to say it is a "separate sport" is silly.

What are you going to call it? Hockey? Tiddly-winks? Polo? Those are separate sports.

I you want to split these hairs, then call it GSPOAT, or GDPOAT. But GOAT must include ALL TENNIS events. Even . . . dare I say it, mixed doubles. Ooooops, pardon me for offending anyone.
 

CEvertFan

Hall of Fame
Graf is one of the four best women ever, which also includes Evert, Navratilova and Court, but she isn't the best of the four. All four women have a legitimate claim to be considered the best ever though and are in a class above everyone else.

I'm not including Lenglen or Wills Moody in that category but would put them in a separate category as the two greatest players of the early tennis years.
 

Arafel

Professional
Navratilova or Evert are the greatest of all time, simply because for most of their careers, they had to go through each other to win. 2 of the acknowledged 4 best of all time, having to play each other for most of their careers. Who did Steffi have? Martina for 4-5 years, then Seles for 3, then no one, and Seles surpassed Graf for a while (though I think that, given time, Steffi would have turned the tables again). Court had King and Bueno, good players certainly, but not in the league of Navratilova or Evert. I looked it up once, and of the 36 Grand Slams between 78-86, 31 were won by Martina or Chris, and neither played the Australian until 81. On top of that, in those years, more often than not Chris and Martina were playing each other in the final of the Slam. They each won 18 Slams. Imagine their totals if they hadn't had to beat each other to win them!
 

dannykl

Rookie
Stefi Graf is the Greatest of all time.

Agree with you.Steffi Graf is the best ever and Court is greater than Martina as well.

Court has much more slams than Martina. Most important, Court, as well as Graf, has a real calender grand slam. Martina fails to and could not accomplish this.Court and Graf are just ahead and above Martina in account of achievement in tennis.


Steffi has more single titles of the French Open than Martina.
Steffi also has more US Open tiles than Martina.
Oh! Steffi claims more titles even in the Australian Open.
The only grand slam championship Martina has more titles than Steffi is in SW19.
However, Martina has been beaten by Steffi twice in the final in Wimbleton.
Steffi is at least as good as, if not better, than Martina on grass.Not to mention Steffi is far better than Martina on clay or other slow surface.

Steffi Graf simply is a more complete and greater player than Martina.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
Steffi is at least as good as, if not better, than Martina on grass.

LOL ... Graf's dominance over Navratilova on grass?

Seems that Navratilova was the only player to reach the final round of Wimbledon in the years 1985-1990.

Seems that Navratilova won Wimbledon in 1987 and 1990 and beat the player who had beaten Graf in the semis to win the 1990 singles title.

Seems that Navratilova was the only player in the Open Era to win Wimbledon 6 consecutive years (Graf never even was able to reach more than 3 consecutive finals at Wimbledon).

Seems that Navratilova was the only player in the Open Era to reach 9 consecutive Wimbledon finals (again, Graf managed to get to Wimbledon finals in 3 consecutive years).

Seems that Navratilova was the only player in the Open Era to reach the quarters or better at Wimbledon in a record 20 consecutive years (twice as many years as Graf).

There should be no question to any intelligent observer that Martina Navratilova is the best women's grass court player of the last 70 years.

There is nothing I can do for those that are less intelligent.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
Graf are just ahead and above Martina

Did I mention that Navratilova has a 5-3 winning edge over Graf at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open combined?

Did I mention that Navratilova has a winning edge over Graf at the Grand Slam events overall?

Did I mention that Navratilova has a winning edge over Graf at the WTA Tour Championships?

Oh ... I guess I just did.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
Steffi Graf simply is a more complete and greater player than Martina.

Of course not. Navratilova has the all-time record for most singles titles and the all-time record for most doubles titles.

Navratilova is the only player to have the all-time record for most singles titles at 2 of the 5 biggest events in women's tennis.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
Court has much more slams than Martina.

Yes, Margaret Court should be commended for her all-time record 11 Australian Championships.

Chris Evert should be commended for her all-time record 7 French Open singles titles.

Molla Bjurstedt Mallory should be commended for her all-time record 8 U.S. Championships.

HOWEVER ... the only woman who has the record for most singles titles at 2 of the 5 biggest events in women's tennis is ....

MARTINA NAVRATILOVA should be commended for her all-time record 9 Wimbledon singles titles AND her all-time record 8 WTA Tour Championships.

By the way, why did Steffi Graf never win a record number of singles titles at ANY of the biggest events in tennis?

Even after her spoiler, the teenage phenom with 2 hands off both sides (Monica Seles) had been stabbed in the back with a sharp knife by one of Graf's fans in Hamburg, Germany, Graf STILL could not find a major event that she could win a record number of times.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, Margaret Court should be commended for her all-time record 11 Australian Championships.

Chris Evert should be commended for her all-time record 7 French Open singles titles.

Molla Bjurstedt Mallory should be commended for her all-time record 8 U.S. Championships.

HOWEVER ... the only woman who has the record for most singles titles at 2 of the 5 biggest events in women's tennis is ....

MARTINA NAVRATILOVA should be commended for her all-time record 9 Wimbledon singles titles AND her all-time record 8 WTA Tour Championships.

By the way, why did Steffi Graf never win a record number of singles titles at ANY of the biggest events in tennis?

Even after her spoiler, the teenage phenom with 2 hands off both sides (Monica Seles) had been stabbed in the back with a sharp knife by one of Graf's fans in Hamburg, Germany, Graf STILL could not find a major event that she could win a record number of times.


Graf is a much better singles player than Martina.
 

FedSampras

Semi-Pro
there is absolutely no comparison, Martina N. comes up ahead of graff, those picking graff first would have to smoking the grass of wimbledon........:D
 

BTURNER

Legend
I will give Navratilova this... most complete champion. She owned more shots, spins in more places and USED them than any champion. Others who had as many were confused by their variety. Not Navratilova. GOAT? Nope
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
To me, Court and Graf have the calendar year slam in their favor.

But, even though doubles doesn't count as much as singles in GOAT discussions, it should count for something.

And, doubles really sets Martina apart for me.

She was great an all surfaces, in all disciplines (singles, doubles, mixed).

I think she's the GOAT
 

Warriorroger

Hall of Fame
To me, Court and Graf have the calendar year slam in their favor.

But, even though doubles doesn't count as much as singles in GOAT discussions, it should count for something.

And, doubles really sets Martina apart for me.

She was great an all surfaces, in all disciplines (singles, doubles, mixed).

I think she's the GOAT

Sure it counts for something, but many posters here are hypocrites, they only favor Navratilova, cause their own hero Seles doesn't make the GOAT list and to put down Graf. Those posters have watched all Navratilova's doubles play, yeah right.

Why do they always have to put down one player for their own player. Attack Sanchez- Sabatini- Martinez -Hingis and all the others too, they all won titles in Seles's absense of the game. Why weren't those fans vocal at the time and foreced women to stop playing tennis. Those fans are mocking their own player, saying she wasn't any good in her twenties.

Martina is the GOAT concerning mastery in three disciplines, and for her game and for what she has done for the game, but she is by no means the greatest singles players. You have to at least be a member of the club who won the Calender Slam. And she is not in it. Bye.
 
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Sure it counts for something, but many posters here are hypocrites, they only favor Navratilova, cause their own hero Seles doesn't make the GOAT list and to put down Graf. Those posters have watched all Navratilova's doubles play, yeah right.

Navratilova has the ALL-TIME RECORD for most singles titles at 2 of the 5 biggest events in women's tennis. Graf has no ALL-TIME RECORDS at any of the 5 biggest events in women's tennis.

THE PLAYER RANKED AHEAD OF NAVRATILOVA WAS NEVER STABBED.
 
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