McEnroe challenges Kyrgios to quit tennis

tacou

G.O.A.T.
Doesn't really say he doesn't like tennis there. He says he doesn't love it and prefers basketball. As someone mentioned Agassi hated tennis when he was younger too and people don't mind him. Probably plenty of other players don't enjoy it too much but that's the way these things are sometimes.

He's made several comments about not enjoying tennis, he'd rather play basketball, would rather never leave Australia, would retire if he won the USO this year, will retire by [certain age, 29 I think?] etc. Pretty annoying especially for someOne so young

And it annoyed me with Agassi too, though I think it only came out in his book after retirement.

It makes sense that something you do probably 6-10 hours a day every day of your life for decades can become annoying. That's why finding a new path should always be an option. And if he sticks with tennis I'd just rather he shut up about whatever it is hed rather be doing.
 

Sartorius

Hall of Fame
Ssshhh!!

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21 year olds aren't really adults. Especially a 21 year old catapulted into the spotlight with all the expectation that he has on him. Think a lot of 21 year olds would struggle, doesn't make them some sort of pariah and evil man. He's acted like a brat at times, but last night is not one of them. If you are going to be harsh on him do it when it's appropriate, this is just kicking a man when he's down.

Yeah he needs to make changes but he has time on his side. The sooner the better of course but some people take longer to find their feet. That's just the way it is. This sort of stuff doesn't help anyone.
Yes, they are. Kyrgios refuses to behave like an adult but it doesn't mean he's not accountable for his actions. You can't expect people to coddle Nick like a kid until he finally decides to get his act together. McEnroe wasn't harsh on him. Nick says he doesn't love the sport, he says he's not motivated to train, well why is he playing then?

How much time does he have though? This sort of stuff is better than just letting Nick do whatever he wants and hope he'll change one day. Maybe this will make him think.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Reminds me of Rios.

Even with his bad attitude (and they didn't come much badder), Rios still won some big titles, made a Slam final and landed the number #1 ranking for a few weeks. Nick so far has won just 1 small title and didn't even seem to enjoy doing that much. If he could only muster a little more commitment, interest and focus...how much more would he be capable of achieving?
 

Bluefan75

Professional
So, let's see here. McEnroe is among the pantheon of greats. Won 7 Grand Slams, played a large of number of finals. Like him or not, the man knows tennis. Did he train as hard as his competitors? Probably not, and I haven't read his books, etc., but I'm going to guess he has admitted he could have worked harder. Yet, he is somehow disqualified from offering commentary? I'd say McEnroe is *exactly* the guy to speak on this. No one doubts Kyrgios' skill, but for it to reach a point that it's being discussed publicly, it must be more than well-known that he does not work at it like most players.

Although I think McEnroe's troubles had a lot to do with Tatum O'Neal, McEnroe is also saying "don't make the same mistakes I made." It's comments like some in this thread that has led to the vanilla commentary we now see.

Count me in the support of McEnroe category here.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
It's too bad the best hitter on the tour is not even in the top 10, and has not contended at the majors this year even though, with the injuries to Djokovic and Federer, there have been significant openings.
 

big ted

Legend
I think macs right... he sees the work raonic puts in who has half of nicks potential getting to the finals of a GS tournament beating federer then he sees kyrgios whining and talking about pokemon & basketball on twitter...
 
It's too bad the best hitter on the tour is not even in the top 10, and has not contended at the majors this year even though, with the injuries to Djokovic and Federer, there have been significant openings.

Give us a clue then?

I guess Del Potro or Monfils am I warm???
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
... i don't question anybody's decision to retire. they don't need to justify anything to me....

No, they don't have to justify it to a channel surfer. To people that paid >$100 per person (ticket, food, transportation/parking, program/souviner) retirements should and must be explained.
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
No, they don't have to justify it to a channel surfer. To people that paid >$100 per person (ticket, food, transportation/parking, program/souviner) retirements should and must be explained.
i disagree. paying for a ticket doesn't guarantee you 'getting your money's worth' (whatever that is). you go to a sporting contest, and you take your chances. sometimes, it rains. sometimes, your team pitches a no-hitter. sometimes, your team gives up 6 goals. sometimes, you witness a world's record. sometimes, your fighter gets knocked out 30 seconds into the second round . . .

by that same token, sometimes a player gets hurt and has to retire. it sucks, but that's just everyone's bad luck. buying a ticket doesn't guarantee you're gonna have an awesome time, anywhere. center court, the cinema, the ballpark, the opera . . .

at least, that's how i see it.
 

Booger

Hall of Fame
No, they don't have to justify it to a channel surfer. To people that paid >$100 per person (ticket, food, transportation/parking, program/souviner) retirements should and must be explained.

Still better than any Murrovic match.
 

Gemini

Hall of Fame
Doesn't really say he doesn't like tennis there. He says he doesn't love it and prefers basketball. As someone mentioned Agassi hated tennis when he was younger too and people don't mind him. Probably plenty of other players don't enjoy it too much but that's the way these things are sometimes. It shouldn't really matter to us. Seeing him in that match, in tears and what not though, shows that he does care and that's good to see.

Getting pretty fashionable to **** off Krygios, and the guy is an immature kid, but he's a great talent. People need to give the guy a break.

Obviously..you didn't read the article. 7th paragraph in where Kyrgios is quoted as saying "I don’t really like the sport of tennis that much. I don’t love it. It was crazy when I was 14. I was all for basketball and I made the decision to play tennis. I got pushed by my parents and to this day I can still say I don’t love the sport. It is just crazy how things go." He starts off saying that he doesn't like tennis then says he doesn't love it. You have to love something to simply like it but the fact that he starts of saying that he doesn't even like it plays more into his behavior than simply not being in love with it.
 

Gemini

Hall of Fame
It is but Mac wasn't one of the fittest guys on tour so he shouldn't question someone else in the same regard. He can question his passion, love for the game, dedication but fitness? Gooby...Mac needs to zip it.


Well agreed even though we were only discussing fitness issues.

And I'll say it again. McEnroe didn't need to have a comparable measure of fitness in his era that Kyrgios is going to need in today's game to compete and win consistently. And I'm pretty sure McEnroe's accomplishments on court give him the right to critique Kyrgios's game any way he sees fit at this point. When Kyrgios lives up to his obvious talent and produces some big results maybe then he can tell McEnroe to stfu.
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster

accidental

Hall of Fame
Anyone else think Kyrgios has already peaked?

He seems like Philippousis, peaked early and now will be streaky and constantly injured for the rest of his career due to lack of dedication

Seems like only a matter of time until a major injury occurs.
 

dr7

Rookie
Despite your rant on McEnroe, he seems very much in demand behind the microphone and I find his candor very refreshing. McEnroe has more credibility than the other talking heads because he actually played tennis and was very good at it. Your predicted demise of McEnroe is very inaccurate.


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Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
Yes, they are. Kyrgios refuses to behave like an adult but it doesn't mean he's not accountable for his actions. You can't expect people to coddle Nick like a kid until he finally decides to get his act together. McEnroe wasn't harsh on him. Nick says he doesn't love the sport, he says he's not motivated to train, well why is he playing then?

How much time does he have though? This sort of stuff is better than just letting Nick do whatever he wants and hope he'll change one day. Maybe this will make him think.

Technically yes but not really.

Mcenroe was harsh on him, because this was a time when he clearly showed he does care. He didn't want to give up and retire that's why he kept playing on as long as he did and why he was in tears. The wrong time to beat him with that stick.

Kind of a stupid question. Are you in work at the moment? Do you love your job? Wy would he still play? I don't know probably something to do with the millions he can make by not training that much and keeping doing what he does, staying in the top 20 why would you not do that even if you didn't like it that much. He's not alone, we like the idea of the sportspeople we enjoy watching to really love the sport, but it's hardly unique to Krygios to not.

He has quite a bit of time, especially in the days when people seem to be able to go on for longer as they do. He's 21 and he's number 15 in the world. The sooner he can sort himself the better but it isn't going to happen because John Mcenroe being a loudmouth in his bid for attention so joins the Krygios bashing train, it'll happen when he realises himself, talking to family or friends and coaching and realising what he can do if he can apply himself more.

Obviously..you didn't read the article. 7th paragraph in where Kyrgios is quoted as saying "I don’t really like the sport of tennis that much. I don’t love it. It was crazy when I was 14. I was all for basketball and I made the decision to play tennis. I got pushed by my parents and to this day I can still say I don’t love the sport. It is just crazy how things go." He starts off saying that he doesn't like tennis then says he doesn't love it. You have to love something to simply like it but the fact that he starts of saying that he doesn't even like it plays more into his behavior than simply not being in love with it.

Don't really like it that much is what he says. That doesn't mean dislike. For example, I don't like baked potatos that much, they're ok, quite nice, but I don't love them. Doesn't mean I hate baked potatos.

Regardless though, even if he does hate it, we shouldn't care. Probably plenty of tennis players are in similar situations, many other sports-people across other sports will be the same. Maybe you could say he probably shouldn't keep talking about it, reality is though now that he's said those things he probably gets asked about it when journalists talk to him, having heard about this. Should he then lie and say 'yeah I love tennis actually, changed my mind, best thing ever'. Or maybe just run off so they can't get a quote.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
A lot of heartless comments here.
Kyrgios was in tears on the court and was shattered to be injured. Hewitt has come out defending Kyrgios and criticising McEnroe for his comments considering doing Nick was injured.

Kyrgios is a dick and McEnroe would be right pretty much any other time to say it but this was poor timing. Kicking a man while he's down. I would never question someone's commitment when they are crying on the tennis court because they have to retire. Downright heartless and lying to even try to say Kyrgios doesn't care for the sport, even just for that one match.

The man was in ****ing tears and people here are being assholes. When he deserves it, he deserves it. But not this time.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
No, they don't have to justify it to a channel surfer. To people that paid >$100 per person (ticket, food, transportation/parking, program/souviner) retirements should and must be explained.
It was pretty obvious to everyone watching the match that he became injured in the 3rd set and couldn't run to balls etc. He was in tears that he couldn't continue and was screaming to his coaching box that he couldn't run. No explanation needed there. I think the USO should explain why they put Kyrgios/Marchenko on the main court and not DelPo/Ferrer.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I think macs right... he sees the work raonic puts in who has half of nicks potential getting to the finals of a GS tournament beating federer then he sees kyrgios whining and talking about pokemon & basketball on twitter...
Funnily enough though, Raonic is injured. Considering all the work he puts in then he shouldn't be injured? Look at the comments on this thread. If Nick trained more apparently he wouldn't get injured so what's Raonic's excuse?

I'm being sarcastic obviously, he doesn't need an excuse. Players get injured, yet people here are holding Nick to a higher standard and are criticising him for getting injured. It's a joke!
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
McEnroe and agassi outgrew their bad boy hype and backed it up by becoming champions. St Nick so far has only proven to be a jerk on and off the court, without the whole champion thing.
Didn't McEnroe get defaulted from a slam AFTER winning slams and such? So he didn't outgrow the bad boy image, he continued on with it. McEnroe was far worse then Nick in fact. You're right in saying McEnroe did become a champion, but he'll always be the super brat.
 

HuusHould

Hall of Fame
You don't have to like your job to keep doing it, especially if you earn millions. Kyrgios has said this several times in interviews and press conferences that he wouldn't know what else to do at this point if he wasn't playing tennis. I, personally, don't care one bit what he says or what he does off the court. He's still an interesting figure, period.

Oh and btw Mac is a stuck-up self-absorbed buffon who simply loves the sound of his own voice so it's been a while since he's been treated seriously. The guy has switched back and forth in the GOAT debate like 10 times in the last 6-7 years or so.

I thought he always thought the GOAT was himself!!
 
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duaneeo

Legend
Despite your rant on McEnroe, he seems very much in demand behind the microphone...

Very much in demand, or slim pickings? Unfortunately for tennis fans, we're stuck with the likes of the Mac brothers, Shriver, Gilbert, and Carillo behind the mic as we have been (and will be) for years.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Didn't McEnroe get defaulted from a slam AFTER winning slams and such? So he didn't outgrow the bad boy image, he continued on with it. McEnroe was far worse then Nick in fact. You're right in saying McEnroe did become a champion, but he'll always be the super brat.

McEnroe, Connors, Nastase and other super-brats of the past all became champions despite their brattish behaviour and may even have used it as a deliberate tactic in order to gain an advantage over their opponents. Kyrgios doesn't seem to belong in this category, at least not yet. He hasn't yet accomplished anything of note and his on court behaviour seems much more unfocussed and much more of a hindrance to his ability to play well. You always got the impression JMac, Jimbo and Nasty knew exactly what they were doing but that's not the impression I get with Nick. I really wish he would drop the 'I don't really give a s**t' act, stop being so stubborn and get himself a proper coach and learn some discipline to help him with his game and attitude. I feel his family could probably really help here instead of just indulging him. Is none of them able or willing to do some straight talking with him and lay it on the line?
 

Bluefan75

Professional
Didn't McEnroe get defaulted from a slam AFTER winning slams and such? So he didn't outgrow the bad boy image, he continued on with it. McEnroe was far worse then Nick in fact. You're right in saying McEnroe did become a champion, but he'll always be the super brat.

Do you know the story behind that default? I can't recall if they removed the game penalty or point penalty, but the point is that this was basically the first tournament with a system where you had 3 chances rather than 4. Blame McEnroe for not knowing the new rule, absolutely. But exactly how often had he been defaulted previously? He knew exactly how far he could take it(till this time).

And let's not forget, there was no hawkeye back then. When you consider how bad some of the calls are that get overturned, now imagine you don't have that option. Even though you may say "thank you sir, I shall bend over once again without vaseline, thank you", very few would. But he had reason to be po'd. He couldn't challenge bad calls. What's Kyrgios' problem?
 
Technically yes but not really.

Mcenroe was harsh on him, because this was a time when he clearly showed he does care. He didn't want to give up and retire that's why he kept playing on as long as he did and why he was in tears. The wrong time to beat him with that stick.

Kind of a stupid question. Are you in work at the moment? Do you love your job? Wy would he still play? I don't know probably something to do with the millions he can make by not training that much and keeping doing what he does, staying in the top 20 why would you not do that even if you didn't like it that much. He's not alone, we like the idea of the sportspeople we enjoy watching to really love the sport, but it's hardly unique to Krygios to not.

He has quite a bit of time, especially in the days when people seem to be able to go on for longer as they do. He's 21 and he's number 15 in the world. The sooner he can sort himself the better but it isn't going to happen because John Mcenroe being a loudmouth in his bid for attention so joins the Krygios bashing train, it'll happen when he realises himself, talking to family or friends and coaching and realising what he can do if he can apply himself more.
Why not?

Kyrgios said that he doesn't like tennis and was pushed by his parents to start playing. He went on to say he doesn't train properly because oftentimes he doesn't feel motivated. Furthermore, Nick shares the opinion that he likely sustained the injury because he wasn't "diligent with, you know, gym and everything". McEnroe's comments shouldn't bother Nick who, by his own admittance, doesn't enjoy playing tennis. It's actually great advice from John.

So then it all comes down to one thing. Kyrgios really is a spoiled ungrateful brat. Playing tennis gives Nick the opportunity to live a great life without putting too much effort yet he won't shut up about how he doesn't like what he's doing.

Nobody knows when/if Kyrgios is going to realise himself. People won't condone Nick's lousy attitude just because of his talent, and rightly so.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Everyone else will probably hate this

I laughed though

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Haha I saw it and laughed too. Rasheed was so bad at understanding tennis he got sacked by Dimitrov. He needs to find another career ASAP and quit putting crap on Tomic and Kyrgios cause it's all he seems to do nowadays to stay relevant.
 

duaneeo

Legend
So then it all comes down to one thing. Kyrgios really is a spoiled ungrateful brat. Playing tennis gives Nick the opportunity to live a great life without putting too much effort yet he won't shut up about how he doesn't like what he's doing.

It takes plenty of effort to reach #16 in the world and earn over 2.9 million in prize money. If Nick doesn't want to put in the training needed to go beyond his current level, that's no reason for him to quit the sport.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
It takes plenty of effort to reach #16 in the world and earn over 2.9 million in prize money. If Nick doesn't want to put in the training needed to go beyond his current level, that's no reason for him to quit the sport.
Maybe McEnroe is pissed because theirs no US men in the top 20. Probably wants Nick to retire so the Americans can jump up a ranking spot. Sock, Johnson and Isner still wouldn't be in the top 20 though.
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Maybe he should focus on working on the next US generation instead of criticizing Australia's.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Tell us how you really feel.

But his latest attack was particularly harsh, given Kyrgios’s obvious injury concerns. “Nick Kyrgios, if you don’t want to be a professional tennis player, do something else,” McEnroe said. “He’s hurt because he’s not training enough.”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...bid-in-third-round-clash-with-illya-marchenko
"Despite McEnroe’s critique, Kyrgios attributed the injury to training and playing overload. “It’s the whole year leading up to it with the whole schedule,” he said. “I’ve got to take more time and be more diligent with gym and everything so this doesn’t happen to me.”

Isn't that pretty much what JMac said? Seems pretty right to me...
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
McEnroe is right here IMO. Kyrgios is not dedicated enough and is not training hard enough and hence the injuries. It's a real shame because if Kyrgios took the sport seriously with his talent he could easily be top ten. For me, he's the most talented of that younger generation by miles. That's obvious whether you like him or not.
Bingo.

I actually rather like the kid sometimes. And there is no reason why he has to train harder. He has every right to do what he is doing (beside the trash talk.) But it's pretty obvious how good he could be if he took the sport more seriously.

He's headed for a Hewitt-like career and probably not as good. But Hewitt was a little guy who fought like a lion. Nick has a ton of natural talent. I think he could be close to #1 with a healthy body and a true desire to maximize his talent.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Bingo.

I actually rather like the kid sometimes. And there is no reason why he has to train harder. He has every right to do what he is doing (beside the trash talk.) But it's pretty obvious how good he could be if he took the sport more seriously.

He's headed for a Hewitt-like career and probably not as good. But Hewitt was a little guy who fought like a lion. Nick has a ton of natural talent. I think he could be close to #1 with a healthy body and a true desire to maximize his talent.

He'll have a much worse career than Hewitt if he doesn't want to get serious. Hewitt won two slams and a lot more and started doing it as a teenager.
 
It takes plenty of effort to reach #16 in the world and earn over 2.9 million in prize money. If Nick doesn't want to put in the training needed to go beyond his current level, that's no reason for him to quit the sport.
Without proper training Kyrgios is risking doing damage to his body but overall I agree with you. But while Nick's lack of ambition is his own business, his disrespectful attitude isn't. McEnroe called him out on "I don't like tennis so I don't care if I win or lose. Why can't I play basketball?:(" BS.
 

macattack

Professional
Maybe McEnroe is pissed because theirs no US men in the top 20. Probably wants Nick to retire so the Americans can jump up a ranking spot. Sock, Johnson and Isner still wouldn't be in the top 20 though.

Maybe he should focus on working on the next US generation instead of criticizing Australia's.

This made me laugh. Thanks, buddy. Even Kyrgios gave JMac a pass on criticizing him. Chill out, dude. You're madder than Kyrgios himself.
 

Elektra

Professional
John McEnroe is a respected figure in tennis and most players think highly of his opinions. Hopefully this will register in Kyrigos mind and for him to do better.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
This made me laugh. Thanks, buddy. Even Kyrgios gave JMac a pass on criticizing him. Chill out, dude. You're madder than Kyrgios himself.
I'm pretty chill to be honest. Although I do find it funny how America has no guys in the top 20 :p Makes me laugh when i'm down!
 

macattack

Professional
I'm pretty chill to be honest. Although I do find it funny how America has no guys in the top 20 :p Makes me laugh when i'm down!

The future of Aussie tennis rests on Kyrgios and Tomic...or...Jordan Thompson?. I wouldn't be laughing so hard if I were you!

But in all honesty, I just want good tennis all around. I don't care what country they come from. I'm more mad about Kyrgios because he's wasting such incredible talent. Has nothing to do with nationalism.
 

Gemini

Hall of Fame
Technically yes but not really.

Mcenroe was harsh on him, because this was a time when he clearly showed he does care. He didn't want to give up and retire that's why he kept playing on as long as he did and why he was in tears. The wrong time to beat him with that stick.

Kind of a stupid question. Are you in work at the moment? Do you love your job? Wy would he still play? I don't know probably something to do with the millions he can make by not training that much and keeping doing what he does, staying in the top 20 why would you not do that even if you didn't like it that much. He's not alone, we like the idea of the sportspeople we enjoy watching to really love the sport, but it's hardly unique to Krygios to not.

He has quite a bit of time, especially in the days when people seem to be able to go on for longer as they do. He's 21 and he's number 15 in the world. The sooner he can sort himself the better but it isn't going to happen because John Mcenroe being a loudmouth in his bid for attention so joins the Krygios bashing train, it'll happen when he realises himself, talking to family or friends and coaching and realising what he can do if he can apply himself more.



Don't really like it that much is what he says. That doesn't mean dislike. For example, I don't like baked potatos that much, they're ok, quite nice, but I don't love them. Doesn't mean I hate baked potatos.

Regardless though, even if he does hate it, we shouldn't care. Probably plenty of tennis players are in similar situations, many other sports-people across other sports will be the same. Maybe you could say he probably shouldn't keep talking about it, reality is though now that he's said those things he probably gets asked about it when journalists talk to him, having heard about this. Should he then lie and say 'yeah I love tennis actually, changed my mind, best thing ever'. Or maybe just run off so they can't get a quote.

So we can play semantics. Saying that you don't really like something that much is conversely saying that you like something very little (and given another option that you like more you'd go with it). So, hypothetically, you don't like baked potatoes that much but given a choice between the baked potato or french fries/chips, you'd choose the french fries/chips because you like them more. Again, if he's not happy with and/or doesn't like what he's doing that much then do something else.

I personally love my current job. And I've had jobs that I liked what I was doing but wasn't opposed to doing something that I thought I might be better suited toward. Finally, I've had jobs where I didn't like what I was doing that much and did what I needed to do to get out of that job. It was a paycheck but it was a grind just to get motivated to go into work each day. Kyrgios seems to be an example of the very last case. I'll say it again. Maybe he should step away and do something else for a while to figure out if he really wants to be all in with his tennis.
 

haqq777

Legend
I'm pretty chill to be honest. Although I do find it funny how America has no guys in the top 20 :p Makes me laugh when i'm down!

Maybe McEnroe is pissed because theirs no US men in the top 20. Probably wants Nick to retire so the Americans can jump up a ranking spot. Sock, Johnson and Isner still wouldn't be in the top 20 though.

Maybe he should focus on working on the next US generation instead of criticizing Australia's.

You mean the grand total of 4 guys you have in top 100? One player in top 20 (Tomic is 21st as per live ATP rankings) and then a player who is ranked 65th (John Millman) and one who is ranked 94th (Jordan Thompson)?

Compare that with three players in top 25 (Isner, Johnson, Sock), one in top 30 (Querrey), one ranked 57th (Fritz) one ranked 77th (Young), one ranked 92nd (Harrison), and to cap of, one ranked 95th (Donaldson). If we're talking further down the line, 8 more players ranked in between 100-150. None for the Aussies. James Duckworth is a distant 172nd after 94th ranked Thompson.

I find it funny that you find it funny how Americans are doing at this ranking game. Anything but the ranking argument, please. Do not see it going your way.

The future of Aussie tennis rests on Kyrgios and Tomic...or...Jordan Thompson?. I wouldn't be laughing so hard if I were you!

But in all honesty, I just want good tennis all around. I don't care what country they come from. I'm more mad about Kyrgios because he's wasting such incredible talent. Has nothing to do with nationalism.

This. +1
 
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