What was the score?
Don't want to spoil it. Let Ian make more money from the views. That is why I even post the link here even if it has been posted before. People have to survive.
What was the score?
Regarding slow starts, things have turned a corner since I made those comments. Also, I may have misspoken on camera, but it was closer to 6 weeks than 6 months. It wasn't about anything my opponents had seen or were doing- the shots just consistently didn't feel right coming off my racquet until the early-mid second sets. It was a really weird month and a half. Thankfully, time and some new racquets seem to have cured what was ailing meMEP wondering why he's been a "slow starter" over the past 6 months?! When your game has a limited arsenal, it is highly reliant on the element of surprise/unorthodoxy. Having your game repeatedly shown and analyzed on youtube for all that time takes that advantage away.
Gotta admit he has the best combo to win matches with limited training (lefty + adequate slicing technique + choses to slice most of the time). Three-trick gimmick went pretty far before the Milwaukee debacle.
I don't think that's what happened at all, but even if it were, if the end result of the experience is that I'm able to become a better player, that's all that really matters to me.And Ben never notices he's being used and made a mockery of by sleazy snake oil salesmen, because they smile and behave politely to his face.
- the shots just consistently didn't feel right coming off my racquet until the early-mid second sets. It was a really weird month and a half. Thankfully, time and some new racquets seem to have cured what was ailing me
Ian loves this as a marketer first, tennis player second. Easy wins over known commodities who the greater tennis community wildly overestimates. Makes him look more like an actual pro level player, which he's clearly not under normal circumstances. Free, fake, no-effort street cred at the expense of Ben.
Ben gets held up as the avatar of pushers everywhere, and Ian gets to say, "See? I make easy work of chumps like this. Buy my products, and you will too." And Ben never notices he's being used and made a mockery of by sleazy snake oil salesmen, because they smile and behave politely to his face.
I'd feel bad for him, but he's stretched his ten minutes into several hours already.
Can't see the result being any different in Atlanta, especially if Ian starts playing more competitive matches in between. Maybe even a double bagel this time.
5 MEP learns how to compete better against players who have been beating him
GSG has a very hard ceiling and it'll be difficult for him to go higher. He's already massively overachieved with the game he's got. I only watched the last game of the 3rd set and with some of the shots he attempts and/or misses, it's quite remarkable he's a solid 4.5 player.
I am looking forward to a GSG vs @Slowtwitcher match
Free, fake, no-effort street cred at the expense of Ben.
I'd most certainly lose to him.
I highly doubt it. If all matches were played indoors (as all ET matches against MEP were), Soderling may have more majors than Nadal.Can't see the result being any different in Atlanta, especially if Ian starts playing more competitive matches in between. Maybe even a double bagel this time.
I blame you for all my over-eating and drinking then. It isn't my fault, and is never my fault.
Isn't that how the cool kids do it nowadays?
I agree with everything you said, but part 5 is yet to be proven though, especially against the stronger 4.5 players GSG has been facing recently. I'd love to see if/how GSG is eventually able to consistently win against BoA, Scott and Ian. The last two are probably not possible because GSG will never be able to spend the amount of time Scott and Ian do on a tennis court, but he just might be able to turn the tables on Boss Of Atlanta.1 ET didn't call him "Most Exhausting" - another channel did because players experienced it themselves.
2 In the very first match at ET, MEP made Sean "hate tennis" as the player himself admitted
3 Topher struggled massively to eke out a victory over a self-taught player in spite of modern and extensive training and several thousands of dollars in coaching fees
4 Now, two coaches come in and show how it's done - how to avoid hating tennis and playing better
5 MEP learns how to compete better against players who have been beating him
The selection of Sean and Topher to play the first two matches in that order was a master stroke by ET - it's a great job done.
It sounds like win-win-win for everyone involved.
I agree with everything you said, but part 5 is yet to be proven though, especially against the stronger 4.5 players GSG has been facing recently. I'd love to see if/how GSG is eventually able to consistently win against BoA, Scott and Ian. The last two are probably not possible because GSG will never be able to spend the amount of time Scott and Ian do on a tennis court, but he just might be able to turn the tables on Boss Of Atlanta.
I think that road must include some technique work which I guess is the underlying message of this entire campaign. Maybe crunch time coaching can tweak his strokes to crush these MWK raiders that ambushed him. If he can then he's coach of the year.
when/how did that came out? I mean I can totally see that he is 5.0, just curious.So it's interesting that it came out that Scott is a 4.5A, appeal down from 5.0.
great summary!1 ET didn't call him "Most Exhausting" - another channel did because players experienced it themselves.
2 In the very first match at ET, MEP made Sean "hate tennis" as the player himself admitted
3 Topher struggled massively to eke out a victory over a self-taught player in spite of modern and extensive training and several thousands of dollars in coaching fees
4 Now, two coaches come in and show how it's done - how to avoid hating tennis and playing better
5 MEP learns how to compete better against players who have been beating him
The selection of Sean and Topher to play the first two matches in that order was a master stroke by ET - it's a great job done.
It sounds like win-win-win for everyone involved.
Schedule lefty Ian at 11am, and Scott at 2pm.Can't teach Ben enough Scott and Ian counter measures by July ... but can introduce both of them to the ride called Atlanta Heat stroke. And of course ... play @2 to mess with serve and overhead. I hate playing 2-4.
1 ET didn't call him "Most Exhausting" - another channel did because players experienced it themselves.
2 In the very first match at ET, MEP made Sean "hate tennis" as the player himself admitted
3 Topher struggled massively to eke out a victory over a self-taught player in spite of modern and extensive training and several thousands of dollars in coaching fees
4 Now, two coaches come in and show how it's done - how to avoid hating tennis and playing better
5 MEP learns how to compete better against players who have been beating him
The selection of Sean and Topher to play the first two matches in that order was a master stroke by ET - it's a great job done.
It sounds like win-win-win for everyone involved.
when/how did that came out?
That explains why TR has him listed at 4.5 exactly (TR recalibrates to match the usta ratings every year).So it's interesting that it came out that Scott is a 4.5A, appeal down from 5.0.
Schedule lefty Ian at 11am, and Scott at 2pm.
Makes total sense. As far as being 'forthright about Scott's level/background'. I mean a simple google search tells you pretty much everything you need to know. Scott has most likely been involved with tennis his entire life: playing college, coaching college tennis, being a tennis club pro, etc.They mentioned it in passing during the post match interview just like they mentioned it in passing that oh by the way Scott is actually a teaching pro. I wouldn't say they were trying to hide it, but I also wouldn't say they were entirely forthright about Scott's level/background either.
Scott said "I'm a 4.5 because I wrote a letter. I'm a 4.5A"
I wonder how he'd do vs those "true" Chicago-land 4.5s.
And you very rightly assume MEP will practice ballet in the meantime instead of trying to figure out how to compete better...
I highly doubt it. If all matches were played indoors (as all ET matches against MEP were), Soderling may have more majors than Nadal.
Makes total sense. As far as being 'forthright about Scott's level/background'. I mean a simple google search tells you pretty much everything you need to know. Scott has most likely been involved with tennis his entire life: playing college, coaching college tennis, being a tennis club pro, etc.
Against Chicago-land 4.5C he would do about the same as he did against MEP - beat them senseless. I can't comment on 4.5s as that does not really mean anything about one's level.
Waiting for @tlm to come up with a counterarguments as to why Atlanta area 4.5C players (i.e. MEP) are still way worse than M i d w e s t area 4.5 because Atlanta players can't beat a tennis pro that is really a 5.0 USTA player...
There's a ceiling with what you can do with that style of play.
Mark S. to play this fellowI think you throw out the Scott match and have the discussion about Ben vs Ian. Ian is what our 4.5 s&v and c&c or hit and charge look like.
I highly doubt it. If all matches were played indoors (as all ET matches against MEP were), Soderling may have more majors than Nadal.
Nadal has 2 indoor titles (1 indoor CLAY) in his 18 year career.lol, no way. Soderling can't bring a high level consistently. Nadal would eventually break him.
you are right. Ian is clearly a stronger 4.5 than MEP. And his game matches really well against MEP style of play. Maybe outdoors MEP can get 1-2 more games, but I would not expect the result to be significantly different.I think you throw out the Scott match and have the discussion about Ben vs Ian. Ian is what our 4.5 s&v and c&c or hit and charge look like.
Mark S. play to this fellow
Makes total sense. As far as being 'forthright about Scott's level/background'. I mean a simple google search tells you pretty much everything you need to know. Scott has most likely been involved with tennis his entire life: playing college, coaching college tennis, being a tennis club pro, etc.
trueRight. That’s why I don’t think they were trying to hide it but in a match between a teaching pro vs. self taught rec player, the fact that one is a teaching pro AND an appeal down player is germane information and probably fits into the category of info that should be disclosed.
I also get that disclosing that info ahead of time reduces the intrigue somewhat.
you are right. Ian is clearly a stronger 4.5 than MEP. And his game matches really well against MEP style of play. Maybe outdoors MEP can get 1-2 more games, but I would not expect the result to be significantly different.
I could be wrong but I don't see anyone from ET beating this BSB (Blue Shirt Beast.)Mark S. play to this fellow
Yeah, would be fun. I think this guy is also a coach. I've always wanted the coaches to play each other. Salzy vs. Intuitive Tennis guy would also get some nice views if promoted correctly.Guy has skills ... crazy how much pace comes from that effortless looking fh. Fun to watch hit.
Are you saying you want to see Mark S play that guy? I know nothing about Mark S.
well, with all due respect, the fact that he has his video posted on a random youtube account does not mean that he is a hack like the rest of us. The dude "qualified for the main draw at 2 ATP Future tournaments ". That's quite a jump of another level (or levels)....I could be wrong but I don't see anyone from ET beating this BSB (Blue Shirt Beast.)
The quality of his shots is another level above.
Sure, everything has a limit - the limit varies based on the capabilities of individuals (probably you will agree).
Nobody has a "permanent contract" to stick with anything. I believe folks are generally smart and some are more smarter and know what to do within today's limits. "Tomorrow" is a fresh beginning.
Nadal has 2 indoor titles (1 indoor CLAY) in his 18 year career.
Le Sod had 7 indoor titles in his 8 year career.
If ALL tennis matches were played indoors, Nadal would not have many titles, let alone majors.
Nadal can adapt all he wants to, but he ain't winning 20 majors indoors.If all matches were played indoor, Nadal would adapt his style of play as is evident with how he plays in practice. He would be successful there too after adaptation, and this is coming from a Fed fan.
Nadal can adapt all he wants to, but he ain't winning 20 majors indoors.
You don't think Nadal adapted and tried as hard as he could to win even just 1 World Tour Finals?
Related to this thread, my point being...playing indoors under fast, ideal conditions is very different from playing in hot, windy, humid, sun-in-your eyes conditions.
The former favors S&V, shotmakers while the latter favors counter-punchers with great stamina.
Do you even actually PLAY tennis?Strawman, no one claimed he would win 20 majors indoors. You've moved the goal posts. Nadal lost to the GOAT getting to a WTF final, that's not too shabby. If the whole tour were indoors all the time, he would eventually win some of them. More than Soderling to say the least.
Yes playing indoors may be different, but less different to a tapper.