Mouratoglou wants ATP rule change because of Fedal

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Patrick Mouratoglou wants the ATP to permit on-court coaching after Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal’s success at the Laver Cup.

By MIKAEL MCKENZIE
PUBLISHED: 08:10, Tue, Sep 24, 2019 | UPDATED: 09:18, Tue, Sep 24, 2019

Serena Williams’ coach Patrick Mouratoglou has called on the ATP to permit on-court coaching.

Some of the most memorable moments at the Laver Cup over the weekend came when Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal were giving their team-mates and each other vital advice during matches.



And Mouratoglou - who came under fire for trying to give Williams coaching during the 2018 US Open final - believes the ATP should think about a rule change.

He tweeted: "I am glad to witness this excitement about on-court coaching!

“It is amazing to get this energy, this level of information.

“This is all about performance, strategy, finding a way, this is all about life. When do we bring that on tour all year long ATP?"

The WTA allow coaches to advise their clients during tour-level events but it is strictly forbidden at Grand Slams.

Mouratoglou got himself in hot water as Williams was beaten by Naomi Osaka in that memorable final where the American threw a shocking tantrum at umpire Carlos Ramos.

Meanwhile, Federer hailed Nadal for the coaching he received at the Laver Cup.

“Absolutely, look at the result. We did it,” he said.

“I really enjoy his clarity in his advice. It reminded me of the match in Prague against Nick [Kyrgios].

“It was a struggle from the baseline trying to find the right balance of how aggressive to play.

“What I really enjoy with Rafa, our ideas often align. When it comes to rally points, he is excellent.

“He knows how much is enough and how much is too much. And he’s a great problem, solution finder.”

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Patrick Mouratoglou wants ATP to make major rule change

Patrick Mouratoglou wants the ATP to permit on-court coaching after Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal’s success at the Laver Cup.
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tacou said:
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Does he think it will be Roger coaching Rafa or vice versa every time?
That was a small part of the appeal.
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That's the whole problem with rules changes! The masses be damned, but if the elites favor it; esp. if on the Committee boards, the change is a lock! It's not like they don't have enough of an advantage over the rank and file! The women have already "gone there!" :sneaky:
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
If tennis is starting to bore you, then a different sport might be good for you. But no need to ruin it for the rest of us by trying to introduce circus nonsense.
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This may be news to YOU, but players are getting coached during matches ALL THE TIME.

The NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL all have multiple coaches during their games. All of those sports are growing exponentially faster than tennis. They get how to provide entertainment.

Just this past spring sixteen NBA players signed contracts guaranteeing them more than $100,000,000. That does not include the players who already have such deals. Tennis has, count em, three players who have earned more than $100,000,000, in their entire careers.

If a coach coming to court to help a player be more entertaining by play a better match is a circus that would ruin for YOU maybe you should find something a lot less entertaining. Fans like YOU will be replaced by many, many others.
 
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What are we doing here? Why do we need coaching? Top players would never receive coaching anyways. What do we need? Fed receiving coaching after WC match points? This is absurd.

Next let's make slams 3 sets? Not having coaching (and no, signs from the stands is not the same coaching at all) is an integral part of singles tennis and adds a component no other sport has.
 
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Mouratoglou, as usual, has his mouth working before his brain kicks in.

Imagine this at majors... the first week in particular when there's dozens of mid-low ranked players against top 30 players.

Top 30 player - has full-time coach who is at the tournament.
Everyone else - does not or, at best, is a shared coach of comparatively lower ability.

It would just help the top players win more. It wouldn't fix anything or level up anything.

The real argument boils down to "we can't police it, so we should just let them do it", but it gets dressed up disingenuously as "it would be great for spectators."

Yeah? Let's play it out: So 2/3 of the WTA players are coached by non-English speaking (main language anyway) and an even higher percentage of matches are at tournaments where their language isn't the main local one. So the majority of the time any coaching wont be understood by the vast majority of spectators. Yeah, great idea Patrick. :-D If you want to allow coaching for the players just say so. Don't pretend you're motivate by some idea it will improve the viewing - even if it was fun at the Laver Cup.
 
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Are you telling me that a coach wants to enact a rule that allows him to inject himself in a match thus drawing attention away from players and allow him to claim victories based on HIS tactical prowess as opposed to the players innate abilities?

You don’t say..
 
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bigserving said:
This may be news to YOU, but players are getting coached during matches ALL THE TIME.

The NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL all have multiple coaches during their games. All of those sports are growing exponentially faster than tennis. They get how to provide entertainment.

Just this past spring sixteen NBA players signed contracts guaranteeing them more than $100,000,000. That does not include the players who already have such deals. Tennis has, count em, three players who have earned more than $100,000,000, in their entire careers.

If a coach coming to court to help a player be more entertaining by play a better match is a circus that would ruin for YOU maybe you should find something a lot less entertaining. Fans like YOU will be replaced by many, many others.
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So comparing individual sports, mano-a-mano to team sports makes perfect sense to you,regarding every aspect of sports?

Illegal coaching happens, sure, but it is so limited that a player HAS to figure things out on his own. With a coach, a player essentially becomes the guy who gets his diapers changed. One of the key appeals of tennis is that it's mental game in which players are supposed to be sly, not just zombie hitting machines.

Team sports has far more complex tactical considerations, cannot be compared to individual sports at all. Organizing ten people is more difficult, requires a leader. There is no need for a leader in tennis. The player is his own leader.

Illegal coaching from the stands and a coach baby-sitting a player on the court are completely different things. For one, thing, a coach cannot give his baby player a pep-talk about winning.

Maybe you want a bunch of morons who can't figure out how to turn around a match. I don't.
 
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I enjoyed watching the coaching in the Laver cup. Gave entertaining and informative perspective into how top players think. However, I also strongly disagree with coaching in tennis outside exhibition matches. The inequality in Tennis pay/endorsements are to great and it would be clearly a disadvantage to the less funded players who have devoted their lives to the sport. Also, one of the appeals in tennis (for me) is to try to discern what players are thinking on the court, how to adjust play, how to overcome challenges, etc...
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...It would just help the top players win more. It wouldn't fix anything or level up anything....
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ElChivoEspañol said:
Are you telling me that a coach wants to enact a rule that allows him to inject himself in a match thus drawing attention away from players and allow him to claim victories based on HIS tactical prowess as opposed to the players innate abilities?

You don’t say..
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Agree
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Maybe you want a bunch of morons who can't figure out how to turn around a match. I don't.
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Agree
 
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Coaching should remain illegal. I want to watch a tennis match; a battle of skill and cunning between two, I repeat, two warriors.

What I don't want to see is a freaking Penn and Teller act between games.

Seriously, tennis is changing to the point where the comparison to older eras is useless: air-conditioned stadiums; roofs that prevent lengthy, mentally taxing rain-delays; 3 set finals, homogenized courts; and now potentially coaching???

If we get coaching, and no lets, and no deuces, and whatever else comes down the pipeline, can we just stop calling it tennis and refer to it as TNS, or something ******** like that?
 
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el sergento said:
Coaching should remain illegal. I want to watch a tennis match; a battle of skill and cunning between two, I repeat, two warriors.

What I don't want to see is a freaking Penn and Teller act between games.

Seriously, tennis is changing to the point where the comparison to older eras is useless: air-conditioned stadiums; roofs that prevent lengthy, mentally taxing rain-delays; 3 set finals, homogenized courts; and now potentially coaching???

If we get coaching, and no lets, and no deuces, and whatever else comes down the pipeline, can we just stop calling it tennis and refer to it as TNS, or something ******** like that?
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People want to turn it into baby-sitting, whereby two adult non-warriors get spoiled, pampered and tutored like little children.

Perhaps they'll be asking for wireless wi-fi and cable TV next during changeovers.
 
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TheIntrovert said:
The whole appeal about the Laver cup coaching is that fedal were doing it. No one gives a toss about some random coach coming on to do it.
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It's not that it wouldn't be interesting, but it would be unfair for the lower ranked player who might have a crappier coach.

Not to mention how pathetic it would appear to have grown-ass men ask for help like little confused helpless kids.

It works for the WTA, wouldn't work for ATP.
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
People want to turn it into baby-sitting, whereby two adult non-warriors get spoiled, pampered and tutored like little children.

Perhaps they'll be asking for wireless wi-fi and cable TV next during changeovers.
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It would be preposterous. People want to see a player “figure his opponent out” not watch a player “do what his coach said during a changeover like a little boy following instructions”.
 
UnderratedSlam

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Muratosniffglue is a coach, so obviously he wants more attention given to coaches.

I.e. himself, when he starts coaching a male player.
 
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One of the coolest things about tennis at the non-team level is having to problem solve. Why would the ATP go the way of the WTA? If you can afford an travelling coach, you are already at an elite level; and you should be able to recognize patterns and motivate yourself. Unless the ATP are going to pass out coach to every player that can't afford to travel with one, they need to keep this idea on the shelf.
 
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TennisLBC said:
One of the coolest things about tennis at the non-team level is having to problem solve. Why would the ATP go the way of the WTA? If you can afford an travelling coach, you are already at an elite level; and you should be able to recognize patterns and motivate yourself. Unless the ATP are going to pass out coach to every player that can't afford to travel with one, they need to keep this idea on the shelf.
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Can you imagine the inequity at challenger level?

Just a stupid idea.

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If he thinks it's such a great idea maybe he can just get into World Team Tennis :-D. What a comedian, this guy.
 
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They do it in boxing and mma. Im sure it could work in tennis. Though I still prefer it stay limited to davis cup, laver cup, and whatever other cups.
 
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