I think there isnt any kind of amazing performance from Fed in this tournament.His service return is still poor and his movement still not the best.He is serving well but Murray is better player than Djoko on grass and he wont be out of balance with Feds backhand slices like Djoko.I think Murray is a more mature player compare to previous finals and wont choke this time.Fed has a lot to win and lose in this match as well just like Murray.Murray in 4 sets.
Murray will beat Fed On Sunday.
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If Federer aint serving well, he aint winning. Simple as that.
*Val*
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lol so his 4 set victory over Nole wasn't a great performance...
Fedex
Legend
Agree with this. Federer is obviously the favourite but just maybe the stars are aligned for Murray.
jaggy
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mandy01
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It was a very good tactical performance but let's see.
I think it wasnt I dont say this because ı dont like Roger.I even supported him in that match.Djoko was so flat,He couldnt even manage to make the match physical for Roger.Roger served well but the rest of his game still problematic.For me back to back disappointing matches between Fed and Djoko. RG semi was bad Wimbledon semi wasnt all that great either.
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Legend
Sorry it was a great performance. Well it was once he'd warmed up after the second set.
A bit error prone initially but once he got his eye in he really wasn't missing much and was fairly whacking that ball good and hard with some wicked angles.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Atleast the Wimbledon semi wasn't WTA tennis like the FO.
I don't think Murray is playing all that great, either, so I'm leaning towards Fed, due to his experience, better serve, and more variety in his game, to adjust strategy tactics mid-match if he needs to.
Both guys will be under tremendous pressure, but Fed has proved he can weather the storm on the grandest stage...Murray hasn't. Not saying Murray will outright choke, but some matches boil down to a handful of points, that can often be decided by which player is just a bit more nervous/tight vs the other.
Murray with right now 1 Wimbledon final is a better grasscourter than Djokovic with a win over Nadal at Wimbledon?
stringertom
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Yes ı think he is Djoko worst surface is grass.1 Wimbledon title not changing this reality.Rafa played his worst GS final ever against Djokovic in last years Wimbledon final.That defeats in Rome and Madrid affected his confidence against Nole on grass as well.
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expect a far better final from the scott tomorrow.......expect nothing less than a courageous performance from him.......he is up for it this time.......
Russeljones
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OP has high hopes, but denigrating Federer's performance this tournament is laughable. If you are saying Federer needs to be his imperious-young-again-best to beat Andy Murray tomorrow you're having a laugh.
syc23
Professional
It's difficult to argue against that Murray is not favoured to win given his finals record. After the draw was announced, so many had put Murray down to go out in the first round as there was no way he could get through the big hitters standing in his way, each and everytime, he has grindedout the W.
Under Lendl's guidence, Murray is not as passive on the big points and is more in trusting his FH. He is controlling his emotions better so it's encouraging for tomorrow's final.
If AO'12 saw an improved Andy 1.5, we may see the transition to Andy 2.0 tomorrow. He just needs to believe.
He should take a leaf out of Del Potro's book. He took it to Fed rather than let it come to him.
Under Lendl's guidence, Murray is not as passive on the big points and is more in trusting his FH. He is controlling his emotions better so it's encouraging for tomorrow's final.
If AO'12 saw an improved Andy 1.5, we may see the transition to Andy 2.0 tomorrow. He just needs to believe.
He should take a leaf out of Del Potro's book. He took it to Fed rather than let it come to him.
VPhuc tennis fan
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I believe Fed will come through. Not saying that Murray doesn't have any high expectations put on him, but Fed fully realizes that a chance like this may NEVER come again. Rafa out, Djoker beaten by him, and with his time running short as ever, Fed is almost in a position of MUST-WIN. I just hope Fed doesn't rattle by any tricks Murray can pull:S&V, chip&charge, drop shot, etc. I said it in reference to the FO final where Lendl as the heavy favorite got totally baffled by Wilander who came in and didn't really engage in these long rallies where Lendl expected to dominante. In short, expect the unexpected. If he does so, Fed will come out winner IMO
Well he may have been taking coaching from Isner so he will probably win
Russeljones
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The obvious problem with the aggressive (Delpo '09) plan is this - can Murray outhit Federer? Maybe, for the entire match? No. It's not instinctive and he doesn't really have the tools for it. Instead I think he'll try to lenghten the rallies and force Federer into outrageous shots to shorten them. Murray's defence is probably 3rd best in the world behind Nadal and Djokovic and it certainly won't be straight forward in terms of shot selection for Federer. I feel that if he plays aggressive Murray will struggle. Likewise if Murray plays aggressive it would amount to suicide.
Murray's chances lie with an off-colour Federer and patient point construction that involves a lot of variety (Murray's slice is not bad at all). Murray should place his serves better and if that means taking 5-10 mph off then so be it. He cannot count on Federer's poor 2nd serve conversion. Federer can also be hesitant at the net so Murray could maybe look to play short balls not intended to be outright winning dropshots but such that draw Federer to the net and give the Scot a tactical advantage.
Murray's chances lie with an off-colour Federer and patient point construction that involves a lot of variety (Murray's slice is not bad at all). Murray should place his serves better and if that means taking 5-10 mph off then so be it. He cannot count on Federer's poor 2nd serve conversion. Federer can also be hesitant at the net so Murray could maybe look to play short balls not intended to be outright winning dropshots but such that draw Federer to the net and give the Scot a tactical advantage.
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a good serving day for the scott will finish 70% of the job.......he doesn't need to take too many risks........he just needs to keep holding his serve and end points that are begging to be ended at the net.......federer will fold himself if murray does just that much.......
i think murray will play a very clean final with a lot of freedom.......lendl has quietened him down a lot and turned him into a thinker.......
VPhuc tennis fan
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I don't think playing safe serves Murray well because that was what he's been doing against Fed in the past. He needs to bring in something new for tomorrow. However can he execute the new plan? My doubts.
I still believe that the win still lies in Fed to execute his game or not. So more for Fed to lose than for Murray to win.
If Fed serves, is patient to pick his attack, and doesn't get drawn in long rallies so Murray can develop his rhythm, Fed has a very good chance. With his counterpunching style, Murray is not really in a good position to dictate himself the rhythm of the entire match.
TJfederer16
Hall of Fame
Roger always has to play smart in order to beat Andy, like their matches at the world tour finals especially in 2011 Roger got his tactics perfect, he wasn't necessarily playing incredible tennis but just got his strategy spot on, didn't go for too much played mainly down the middle of the court didn't give Andy any pace nor angles to work with, this worked to perfection, completely nullified him throughout. I think over the years Roger has come to terms with Andy's game and knows what he has to do in order to beat him where in the past it looked like he wasn't really sure how to play him. Despite still having a negative h2h he has caught up since 2009 apart from those two matches in Canada and Shanghai in 2010 where Roger really didn't turn up he's won their past 5 of 7 meetings since losing to Andy 4 straight times in late 2008 and early 2009. Before i think Roger just came on trying to blow Andy off the court and just play his normal game thinking it would work but that lead to Roger getting frustrated and hitting a lot of errors. A lot of their previous matches are pretty irrelevant coming into a final at Wimbledon where they have never met though, the only relevant matches are the grand slam meetings in which Roger is 6-0 in sets so should have the upper hand mentally in that regard, so its going to be difficult for Andy considering Roger will also be very confident now just after beating Djokovic, whereas in previous meetings you could say Roger really wasn't confident at all the times he lost to Andy. But its also going to be very tough for Roger considering all the things he can achieve by winning this match so it'll be very interesting.
Love all
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3rd set was of extremely high quality atleast. There were numerous 25+ strokes rallies on key pts.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
I agree with you. but andy will have put pressure on federer and make him serve poorly. if andy returns well, to start the match, it could make federer serve poorly
edberg505
Legend
His worst slam final ever? So all Djokovic had to do was stand out there and watch Nadal hit balls out? Man, Djokovic still gets no respect.
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i am just suggesting that the best way to stay aggressive is to serve well for extended periods of time.......even i don't expect murray to play blinding tennis with winners left, right and center.......
murray knows his limitations and will not allow federer to set up the pace of the match.......we can be sure of that.......he has experienced the worst in his previous finals and cannot get any lower than that, he is not going away this time.......murray that is........
OriginalHockeytowner
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Bahahahahaha! Well done!
It will be an exciting match for sure. Murray must really be feeling the pressure, though!
90's Clay
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Murray's only chance is if the roof is open.. Sad to say. The roof is closed it will just be target practice all match for Roger.. Murray isn't capable of playing the same strike first tennis.
In that respect, Tsonga would have made this a much better finals.
Factor in the pressure of the finals, Murray has very little chance of winning here
In that respect, Tsonga would have made this a much better finals.
Factor in the pressure of the finals, Murray has very little chance of winning here
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