Nadal is still officially in his prime.

[ollinger]

Hard to take seriously somebody who writes "officially in his prime"

 

[Captain Grant]

So just cause he didnt mention it in this interview means he OFFICIALLY hasnt declined? Feds said a numerous amount of times hes playing his best tennis currently, but does him saying that make it OFFICIALLY true? i could be 85 years old and say my body is as healthy as a 30 year olds, does that OFFICIALLY mean my body is the same?

Are you implying that Federer says that only to put pressure on his opponents to make them believe that he's still the same player from 2006 because if they knew that he declined they would feel less of his authority? Makes sense if only Fed wasn't winning Cincy without break-points on his serve vs Murray and Djokovic.

 

[Captain Grant]

Hard to take seriously somebody who writes "officially in his prime"

Should I have written ''in his official prime?'' to make it sound smoother or you have the problem with the word ''official'' because there's no such term as ''official prime'' in tennis?

 

[Captain Grant]

Captain Grant, do you have a job?

Why is it mostly Nadal fans who use real life redirections in discussions? Anyway, thanks for you offer, but I'm a university student who aims for something bigger than working with you at oil station.

 

[MasterZeb]

Are you implying that Federer says that only to put pressure on his opponents to make them believe that he's still the same player from 2006 because if they knew that he declined they would feel less of his authority? Makes sense if only Fed wasn't winning Cincy without break-points on his serve vs Murray and Djokovic.

No, cause it doesnt take a rcket scientist to work out that federer has declined.What i think he means by that he is playing the best that he physically can

 

[Backspin1183]

Why is it mostly Nadal fans who use real life redirections in discussions? Anyway, thanks for you offer, but I'm a university student who aims for something bigger than working with you at oil station.

What big something are you aiming for? Not to be the biggest troll on tennis forums, I hope.

 

[Captain Grant]

No, cause it doesnt take a rcket scientist to work out that federer has declined.What i think he means by that he is playing the best that he physically can

He doesn't mean that at all. What he really means is that he may be not as consistent as before, but his 2015 best tennis is better than his 2006 best tennis. Take Roger's Cincy-15 level and tell me he was worse than in 2006. Wimbledon and USO-15 would have been one of his best majors in the career if it wasn't for Djokovic - a unique hybrid of Nadal, Federer and Becker.

 

[Captain Grant]

Not to be the biggest troll on tennis forums, I hope.

 

[MasterZeb]

He doesn't mean that at all. What he really means is that he may be not as consistent as before, but his 2015 best tennis is better than his 2006 best tennis. Take Roger's Cincy-15 level and tell me he was worse than in 2006. Wimbledon and USO-15 would have been one of his best majors in the career if it wasn't for Djokovic - a unique hybrid of Nadal, Federer and Becker.

NO....JUST NO

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Apollo was officially in his prime in Rocky 4.

 

[Novak And The Net.]

Crap thread. His 20 losses this year and his straight sets beat down at Roland Garros, tells you all you need to know. Rafa played terrible this year.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Roger and Rafa have both declined. IMO, Novak has declined a bit also, and so has Andy.

None of these guys are the beasts they were just a few years back. Only thing is, they are still better than everyone else, minus a Stanimal assault here and there.

 

[Captain Grant]

Roger and Rafa have both declined. IMO, Novak has declined a bit also, and so has Andy.

None of these guys are the beasts they were just a few years back. Only thing is, they are still better than everyone else, minus a Stanimal assault here and there.

Hard to deny that Djokovic-15 would have beaten Djokovic-11 at Wimbledon which says it's not that black and white.

 

[swordtennis]

In a way I agree. I tend to go more on the players side than said fan opinions. Nadal is in his prime years still. Not absolute peak years but also not one foot in the grave that fanatics with agendas tend to demand. Nadal is still playing good to great tennis. Absolutely nothing wrong with what fed and nadal have said. They are not 26 anymore so what?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Hard to deny that Djokovic-15 would have beaten Djokovic-11 at Wimbledon which says it's not that black and white.

One great performance here and there doesn't mean that you are overall a greater player than you were before. The big four have all declined, but are still insanely talented enough to pull off exceptional performances here and there.

 

[Captain Grant]

One great performance here and there doesn't mean that you are overall a greater player than you were before. The big four have all declined, but are still insanely talented enough to pull off exceptional performances here and there.

At 2015 AO Djokovic has lost 2 sets to Wawrinka and 1 to Murray. AO-15 final doesn't tell much because Djokovic looked injured for some part of the match. We're left only with AO-15 SF to compare and I think it's fair to say that Stan is the better opponent on AO than Fed-11 or Andy-11, so nothing points out that Novak's AO-15 was worse than AO-11.

At FO-15 Novak lost to Wawrinka. Again it's hard to compare with 2011 season when player of Stan the Man calibre was absent on the big scene back then. No factual evidence to prove that FO-11 Djokovic was a better player than last season's one.

At Wimbledon-11 Djokovic lost sets to Baghdatis, Tomic, Tsonga and Nadal. At Wimbledon-15 Novak lost 1 set less overall(2 to Anderson, 1 to Fed).

USO-11 is the only major where his level in the final was quite clearly more devastating than USO-15 final performance.

 

[Gary Duane]

I didn't hear/read Borg's statement myself, but the statement "hadn't seen Fed play that well in years" does not mean that he used to produce those more regularly in the past. On the contrary, it means that he produced similar level some time in the past and not that often. For me, statement of Federer alone is more than sufficient to accept that his highest level so far was in 2015. Who am I to argue with him about him?

Fed will be arguing with his own observations, right now, when he is retired and can view the facts objectively.

 

[SpinToWin]

Roger and Rafa have both declined. IMO, Novak has declined a bit also, and so has Andy.

None of these guys are the beasts they were just a few years back. Only thing is, they are still better than everyone else, minus a Stanimal assault here and there.

One great performance here and there doesn't mean that you are overall a greater player than you were before. The big four have all declined, but are still insanely talented enough to pull off exceptional performances here and there.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

At 2015 AO Djokovic has lost 2 sets to Wawrinka and 1 to Murray. AO-15 final doesn't tell much because Djokovic looked injured for some part of the match. We're left only with AO-15 SF to compare and I think it's fair to say that Stan is the better opponent on AO than Fed-11 or Andy-11, so nothing points out that Novak's AO-15 was worse than AO-11.

At FO-15 Novak lost to Wawrinka. Again it's hard to compare with 2011 season when player of Stan the Man calibre was absent on the big scene back then. No factual evidence to prove that FO-11 Djokovic was a better player than last season's one.

At Wimbledon-11 Djokovic lost sets to Baghdatis, Tomic, Tsonga and Nadal. At Wimbledon-15 Novak lost 1 set less overall(2 to Anderson, 1 to Fed).

USO-11 is the only major where his level in the final was quite clearly more devastating than USO-15 final performance.

Federer and Murray both played at a very high level at AO2011, it was the sheer fact that Djokovic was in true beast mode that year, that he straight setted them both. I don't personally think he does that, with his 2015 form.

RG 2011, he was coming in with devastating form. IMO Federer 2011 put on a greater performance that Stanimal 2015. Djokovic was way too timid and passive in that final, he wasn't that way against Roger in 2011. It took God Mode Federer to stop Novak.

 

[Captain Grant]

RG 2011, he was coming in with devastating form. IMO Federer 2011 put on a greater performance that Stanimal 2015. Djokovic was way too timid and passive in that final, he wasn't that way against Roger in 2011. It took God Mode Federer to stop Novak.

We shouldn't compare Djok-15 to Djok-11 only by his loss to Stan where Novak couldn't brign his best because of playing 3 days in a row. Djok-15 from the match vs Nadal in QF vs Djok-11 from RG-11 SF vs Fed is extremely debatable.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

At 2015 AO Djokovic has lost 2 sets to Wawrinka and 1 to Murray. AO-15 final doesn't tell much because Djokovic looked injured for some part of the match. We're left only with AO-15 SF to compare and I think it's fair to say that Stan is the better opponent on AO than Fed-11 or Andy-11, so nothing points out that Novak's AO-15 was worse than AO-11.

At FO-15 Novak lost to Wawrinka. Again it's hard to compare with 2011 season when player of Stan the Man calibre was absent on the big scene back then. No factual evidence to prove that FO-11 Djokovic was a better player than last season's one.

At Wimbledon-11 Djokovic lost sets to Baghdatis, Tomic, Tsonga and Nadal. At Wimbledon-15 Novak lost 1 set less overall(2 to Anderson, 1 to Fed).

USO-11 is the only major where his level in the final was quite clearly more devastating than USO-15 final performance.

I am not sure that Stan is the best possible opponent to use in the comparisons.
AO 2011 Djokovic was one of the best versions of him ever. Federer and Murray (especially Fed) were not bad at those tournaments at all but both lost in straight sets. The AO 2015 semi against Stan was a craptacular 5 setter. Though Djokovic did produce one bagel in semis and finals in 2015, a feat I doubt anyone achieved in recent GS history or even in the Open era, I think his level of play was better in 2011.
FO is the toughest one to decide. Not long ago we had a thread about who played better vs Novak at FO. Fed 2011 or Stan 2015? I can't pick. But this year Djokovic got one step further and also beat Nadal and Murray along the way. If any version of him is better, it is by smallest of margins. I am going for 2015.
Wimbledon - Djokovic 2015 without a doubt.
US Open can be looked from different perspectives. In 2011 Novak cruised until the semis where he was a point away from losing to Federer. In 2015 he was less dominant in early rounds but had less trouble reaching the final overall. The final performance - USO 2011 beats every other of his 9 winning Slam performances. So I will go for USO 2011.
So in terms of Slam performances, it is IMO a 2-2 tie.

 

[junior74]

I decided to not trust Federer fans and check out what Roger himself says about it.

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.

This is why people seek advice from significant others. Federer isn´t capable of seing himself in the true light. The player´s own interpretations of themselves are simply mixtures of former success, fading hopes and wishful thinking.

When he is 44, he will have played for 10 more years, and gained even more experience. Where will this end?

 

[abmk]

Federer and Murray both played at a very high level at AO2011, it was the sheer fact that Djokovic was in true beast mode that year, that he straight setted them both. I don't personally think he does that, with his 2015 form.

RG 2011, he was coming in with devastating form. IMO Federer 2011 put on a greater performance that Stanimal 2015. Djokovic was way too timid and passive in that final, he wasn't that way against Roger in 2011. It took God Mode Federer to stop Novak.

murray played cr*p in that AO 11 final ...wasn't that great before the final either .....

fed was in good form, not a very high level in AO 11....but yeah, stan in 15 was worse and it went to 5 because djoko wasn't that good either ...

 

[merwy]

This is why people seek advice from significant others. Federer isn´t capable of seing himself in the true light. The player´s own interpretations of themselves are simply mixtures of former success, fading hopes and wishful thinking.

When he is 44, he will have played for 10 more years, and gained even more experience. Where will this end?

It might also be the case that he knows he has declined, but just decides not to be open about it. I remember him literally saying that he would never be as open to the media about his mental weaknesses as Nadal was in 2015.

 

[Charlemagne]

Quit trolling dude.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

I love it. Keep on truckin'.

 

[gn]

WOW! Looks like Fedal is more deluded than Fedal fans. One simply can't blame Captain Grant here.
This ship has to sail though. Nice trolling btw.

 

[Elektra]

Still in his prime but not in his peak. Elite Athletes start to decline once they are 32 years old and recovery rate gets slower for elite athletes. They probably will have the good conditioning but their recovery rate will get slower.

 

[Captain Grant]

Still in his prime but not in his peak. Elite Athletes start to decline once they are 32 years old and recovery rate gets slower for elite athletes. They probably will have the good conditioning but their recovery rate will get slower.

Long time ago I read in one historic book that ancient warriors were hitting their peak in 35.

 

[KineticChain]

have this pretty much on a macro

 

[Kalin]

Yeah, but who cares what fans say? First hand information is what matters.

Politicians love people like you.