Nadal's wimbledon chances?

[Fedole]

IMO all of the following would be favourites against him on the grass right now:

Federer
Murray
Djokovic
Raonic
Kyrgios

And I think you could possibly make arguments for Cilic, Delpo and Dimitrov as well...

 

[ACE of Hearts]

how are seedings calculated again? I know his past results at wimbledon have to count against him, but iirc his points so far have to account for something

I think he can sneak in the top 4 if he can have win some of these grass tournaments. I see him no higher than 4

 

[ACE of Hearts]

IMO all of the following would be favourites against him on the grass right now:

Federer
Murray
Djokovic
Raonic
Kyrgios

And I think you could possibly make arguments for Cilic, Delpo and Dimitrov as well...

I really don't trust raonic even though he beat fed last year.

 

[Rafa the King]

We will see. The problem with nadal's that he hasn't had good grass results lately. Let's see how he does in these tournaments leading up to Wimbledon

http://www.openerarankings.com/Home?Race=3

Believe me now?

 

[BeatlesFan]

Should Nadal play Queens?

No! He's played more than anyone else this year and is 31. He should go home, fish, swim and do what he always does after bagging another RG: chill.

 

[Fedole]

I really don't trust raonic even though he beat fed last year.

He's done little this year but I would still fancy him against Nadal at Wimbledon... just.

 

[NBP]

You really think nadal will get the second seed? Lol. I don't think so

I mean, reaching the Queen's final guarantees it. If he wins one match, then Fed has to win both Stuttgart and Halle. So yeah probably will be #2

 

[Athique Rehman]

As a Rafa fan i just think he will flop at Wimbledon. Best case R4 where he loses to a big server. Problem Rafa has on grass is the movement. He moves like a kid trying to learn to walk. I know he is coming back from a RG win but a early exit in Queens will bring all those bad memories flooding back on grass. The only way i can see him progressing more than R4 if he get baseliners in the early rounds and gets lucky with Gasquet in R4 and meets Nishikori in QF. After that im sure he can cause some big problems.

 

[Mike Sams]

Not sure about GOAT debate honestly. Nadal without clay has 5 Slams. Federer without clay has 17 Slams. Sampras without clay has 14 Slams. Nadal's resume is just way too lopsided towards clay for my liking for him to be considered a GOAT. He's definitely the GOAT of clay. Absolutely no denying it whatsoever.

 

[Mike Sams]

As a Rafa fan i just think he will flop at Wimbledon. Best case R4 where he loses to a big server. Problem Rafa has on grass is the movement. He moves like a kid trying to learn to walk. I know he is coming back from a RG win but a early exit in Queens will bring all those bad memories flooding back on grass. The only way i can see him progressing more than R4 if he get baseliners in the early rounds and gets lucky with Gasquet in R4 and meets Nishikori in QF. After that im sure he can cause some big problems.

I would be nervous if Nadal was to play the likes of Sam Querrey, Nick Kyrgios, Alexander Zverev, etc on grass. They will get many more rewards for their powerful ball striking on grass than they would on clay. Not sure Nadal at this point in his career can stop them but will be fun to see regardless.

 

[Pagoo]

No! He's played more than anyone else this year and is 31. He should go home, fish, swim and do what he always does after bagging another RG: chill.

He's 43-6 this year. And this is just the first half of the year.

 

[icedevil0289]

If nadal plays fed
I will be torn and not sure to root for

let me help you. federer...no.8 history...just like with rafa on clay. root for fed

 

[arvind13]

Not sure about GOAT debate honestly. Nadal without clay has 5 Slams. Federer without clay has 17 Slams. Sampras without clay has 14 Slams. Nadal's resume is just way too lopsided towards clay for my liking for him to be considered a GOAT. He's definitely the GOAT of clay. Absolutely no denying it whatsoever.

THIS! actually it would be fair to compare how many slams each of these guys have outside their best surfaces. Federer without his wimbledon titles has 11 slams. Sampras without his wimbledon titles has seven slams. Nadal outside his french open titles has only 5 slams, and that too in this homogenized surface era where its easier to win on all surfaces

 

[Fedole]

I would be nervous if Nadal was to play the likes of Sam Querrey, Nick Kyrgios, Alexander Zverev, etc on grass. They will get many more rewards for their powerful ball striking on grass than they would on clay. Not sure Nadal at this point in his career can stop them but will be fun to see regardless.

The thing with Nadal on grass, is that he hasn't been relevant for 6 years. People will say 2014 he looked like he was improving, but he still would've been beaten by Raonic if Kyrgios hadn't been his opponent in the 4th round. I would be amazed if he made a serious go of it at Wimbledon this year.

 

[Athique Rehman]

I would be nervous if Nadal was to play the likes of Sam Querrey, Nick Kyrgios, Alexander Zverev, etc on grass. They will get many more rewards for their powerful ball striking on grass than they would on clay. Not sure Nadal at this point in his career can stop them but will be fun to see regardless.

Take away hardcourts and Federer has 8 slams. What is your point? Nadal has made 5 wimbledon finals, 3 US Open finals and 4 AO finals. Thats 12 slam finals. Dont discredit Nadal outside clay because he is remarkable on it. You dont beat novak in hardcourt slam finals during his prime years not being one.

 

[DRII]

we'll see. a lot of factors comes into play here: draw being most important, health, can Federer produce his 'new' BH on grass consistently, etc...

 

[icedevil0289]

We will see. The problem with nadal's that he hasn't had good grass results lately. Let's see how he does in these tournaments leading up to Wimbledon

someone help this person out, does anyone have the formula and just plug in, even if nadal doesnt win anything on grass going into wimbledon, what he would be with his points.

 

[dgold44]

THIS! actually it would be fair to compare how many slams each of these guys have outside their best surfaces. Federer without his wimbledon titles has 11 slams. Sampras without his wimbledon titles has seven slams. Nadal outside his french open titles has only 5 slams, and that too in this homogenized surface era where its easier to win on all surfaces

Fed
Samp
Nad
Djok
Borg

 

[Mike Sams]

He's 43-6 this year. And this is just the first half of the year.

Yup, but that's still a 31 year old body with beat up legs. Have to take it a day at a time. It's going to get much more difficult going forward onto grass and hardcourts.

 

[icedevil0289]

Take away hardcourts and Federer has 8 slams. What is your point? Nadal has made 5 wimbledon finals, 3 US Open finals and 4 AO finals. Thats 12 slam finals. Dont discredit Nadal outside clay because he is remarkable on it. You dont beat novak in hardcourt slam finals during his prime years not being one.

huh? where did that person say anything about taking away clay. all that user said was, and its based on results in the past, that nadal is vulnerable on grass at this stage in his life.

 

[Mike Sams]

Take away hardcourts and Federer has 8 slams. What is your point? Nadal has made 5 wimbledon finals, 3 US Open finals and 4 AO finals. Thats 12 slam finals. Dont discredit Nadal outside clay because he is remarkable on it. You dont beat novak in hardcourt slam finals during his prime years not being one.

Nobody cares about how many Slam finals you made. If that was the case, Andy Murray would be the GOAT in some regard. LOL

 

[dgold44]

Nadal can win Wimbledon

 

[icedevil0289]

Yup, but that's still a 31 year old body with beat up legs. Have to take it a day at a time. It's going to get much more difficult going forward onto grass and hardcourts.

his legs look fine.

 

[Mike Sams]

someone help this person out, does anyone have the formula and just plug in, even if nadal doesnt win anything on grass going into wimbledon, what he would be with his points.

It's too early to tell. There are still 2 Grand Slams to be played.

his legs look fine.

History showed Nadal getting tired into the latter part of the season. And often at times, he took large chunks of the season off to recover. Clay could've taken a lot out of him physically and emotionally. But regardless, Wimbledon is looking exciting.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

A continuation of the hitlist I put on the match thread

Whenever Nadal lost an AO final, he went onto win RG, and then got beat by a player outside the top 100 at Wimbledon with an ace on match point...Just sayin'

 

[ACE of Hearts]

someone help this person out, does anyone have the formula and just plug in, even if nadal doesnt win anything on grass going into wimbledon, what he would be with his points.

Huh? I think Federer will win his tournaments coming up

 

[icedevil0289]

It's too early to tell. There are still 2 Grand Slams to be played.

History showed Nadal getting tired into the latter part of the season. And often at times, he took large chunks of the season off to recover. Clay could've taken a lot out of him physically and emotionally. But regardless, Wimbledon is looking exciting.

I'm talking about wimbledon points in regards to seeding. that user keeps going on and on about rafa not being no.2 because of his previous grass results, but i thought grass results only account for a certain portion of that. i feel like there is a slight misunderstanding about wimbledon seedings tbh because rafa is currently ranked no.2, so even without playing last year, he still has a lot of points going into the grass season, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Nadal better hope he doesn't run into one of these big hitters. If he's in the second week than maybe he has a chance since the grass looks like clay lol

 

[ACE of Hearts]

I'm talking about wimbledon points in regards to seeding. that user keeps going on and on about rafa not being no.2 because of his previous grass results, but i thought grass results only account for a certain portion of that. i feel like there is a slight misunderstanding about wimbledon seedings tbh because rafa is currently ranked no.2, so even without playing last year, he still has a lot of points going into the grass season, if I'm not mistaken.

You need to get your head out of your know what. You think Wimbledon will give nadal the second seed?

 

[Tennisanity]

Will be very hard for any version of Nadal to beat a confident Federer on grass. In 2008 mono resulting in loss of confidence was required for Nadal to just barely eke out a win over Fed.

 

[Tennis sensation]

No! He's played more than anyone else this year and is 31. He should go home, fish, swim and do what he always does after bagging another RG: chill.

Don't forget poker.

In all seriousness, he is way ahead in the race and has a very good chance to finish the year as #1 if he remains healthy and does well at Wimbledon and USO.

Like you said he doesn't need to play Queens and risk getting fatigued or injured just before Wimbledon.

 

[icedevil0289]

You need to get your head out of your know what. You think Wimbledon will give nadal the second seed?

i never said that, perhaps you should follow your own advice. i am merely questioning what the current seeding looks like now that nadal is ranked no.2 and just won the french. you are the one who is literally responding to every person, going "omg, you think nadal is going seeded no.2"....like calm down. i dont even care for nadal but you have issues

 

[heninfan99]

Don't get greedy

 

[ACE of Hearts]

i never said that, perhaps you should follow your own advice. i am merely questioning what the current seeding looks like now that nadal is ranked no.2 and just won the french. you are the one who is literally responding to every person, going "omg, you think nadal is going seeded no.2"....like calm down. i dont even care for nadal but you have issues

You seem lost. I am just saying I doubt he will get a top 3 seed at Wimbledon. He has a slight chance of getting number 4

 

[Mike Sams]

Will be very hard for any version of Nadal to beat a confident Federer on grass. In 2008 mono resulting in loss of confidence was required for Nadal to just barely eke out a win over Fed.

I wouldn't even talk about a Federer vs Nadal match at Wimbledon at this point in time. After what they both went through at the AO earlier this year and the 5 set battles they were both involved in leading up to the AO final, any number of players could knock them off on grass including Dimitrov, Zverev, Kyrgios, Querrey, Anderson, etc.

 

[Mike Sams]

Not sure what will happen at Wimbledon but I think Nadal and Djokovic will end up on the same side of the draw as is usually the case. LOL

 

[icedevil0289]

I wouldn't even talk about a Federer vs Nadal match at Wimbledon at this point in time. After what they both went through at the AO earlier this year and the 5 set battles they were both involved in leading up to the AO final, any number of players could knock them off on grass including Dimitrov, Zverev, Kyrgios, Querrey, Anderson, etc.

this is true

 

[Tennisanity]

I wouldn't even talk about a Federer vs Nadal match at Wimbledon at this point in time. After what they both went through at the AO earlier this year and the 5 set battles they were both involved in leading up to the AO final, any number of players could knock them off on grass including Dimitrov, Zverev, Kyrgios, Querrey, Anderson, etc.

Nadal yes. Fed, not so much. Not necessarily because of AO win, but from his backing it up in IW and Miami.

 

[Mike Sams]

Raonic is also a threat for Wimbledon. If he's healthy and in-form, he's going to be tough to beat on grass.

 

[Zebrev]

Raonic is also a threat for Wimbledon. If he's healthy and in-form, he's going to be tough to beat on grass.

I don't think Raonic has played enough this year for that. Maybe a semi final.

I think Roger is the heavy favourite to win Wimby, for sure. Not only is he better rested than anyone, but that new backhand should work wonders on the green stuff. Get ready, tennis is about to get interesting again!

 

[D.Nalby12]

I don't expect Nadal to perform well in second half. May be he will last till USO but certainly not after that. He has played a lot Tennis in five months.

 

[TennisHound]

Nadal's chances? He'll win it. No doubt he'll take it. I can't think of a reason he will lose again this year. Fed had a good tournament in the AO, but Nadal was just getting in his groove. He'll take Wimbledon and probably the USOpen.

 

[Rickenbacker4003]

Deep Result, but he will lose in in SF or Final to either Federer or Murray.

I agree

 

[swordtennis]

I don't think he will do that great. If he does get to the 2nd week then I think we will need a 2015 grass game Djokovic type player around to stop him. I think fed now is better on hard courts. We shall see.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Nobody cares about how many Slam finals you made. If that was the case, Andy Murray would be the GOAT in some regard. LOL

Exactly. Lendl made 19 slam finals... won 8 of 'em. Making a major final is only a big deal for players like Pioline or Malavai Washington, when a slam final is the highlight of their respective careers. To ATG's like Nadal, Fed or Djoker, making a slam final and losing is not a highlight.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Nadal's chances? He'll win it. No doubt he'll take it. I can't think of a reason he will lose again this year. Fed had a good tournament in the AO, but Nadal was just getting in his groove. He'll take Wimbledon and probably the USOpen.

I assume this is sarcasm? Nadal has done nothing on grass in years.

 

[dgold44]

let me help you. federer...no.8 history...just like with rafa on clay. root for fed

I agree

 

[icedevil0289]

probably would also depend on his draw tbh.

 

[cc0509]

I think he can have his best Wimbledon in years. Not sure if it will be enough to win but I see him in the conversation for 1st time since 2011.

Yes,I agree. But let's not all get carried away. We need to see how Nadal does at the grass warm-up event and see the Wimbledon draw.

 

[cc0509]

I assume this is sarcasm? Nadal has done nothing on grass in years.

That means almost nothing. It's a new year with a different set of circumstances.