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Federer/Nadal/Djokovic: Second Serve Points Won 2015-2019 On Each Surface - (Bold = Big Three Leader)
PlayerHardClayGrass
Roger Federer58.10%58.49%60.16%
Rafael Nadal56.97%58.65%60.03%
Novak Djokovic58.06%54.69%56.21%
 

Mediterranean Might

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Federer has an absurdly effective serve, especially for his height. This has been clear forever.

My biggest takeaway here is that Nadal's 2nd serve points won is only 13 bps behind Federer on grass. I would have never imagined it's that close and it really speaks to the sheer strength of Rafa's ground game.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Federer has an absurdly effective serve, especially for his height. This has been clear forever.

My biggest takeaway here is that Nadal's 2nd serve points won is only 13 bps behind Federer on grass. I would have never imagined it's that close and it really speaks to the sheer strength of Rafa's ground game.
Grass stats for Nadal are skewed a bit by the small sample size for that period which includes 2016, a year he skipped grass entirely, and 2017, a year when he played just 4 matches at Wimby. Before 2018, the highest ranked player he played in 2015 or 2017 was either Monfils (Stuttgart’15) or Muller (Wimby’17).
 

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You should call Rafa:

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Going 52 weeks falls just right for Nadal on this. On Hardcourts it starts him in Canada where he won the title and then the US Open facing Medvedev both times. He avoided all the big threats as usual on the way to both trophies. Nadal quit in Paris to avoid Djokovic, lost to Zverev WTF RR and got eliminated later avoiding all major threats again (No Djokovic, Federer, or Thiem). DC where there was nothing but mugs on the menu from start to finish. How often does Nadal play 11 indoor HC matches avoiding the other 3 top players in the world? Finally meets Djokovic and Thiem once each in 2020 with both being decisive affairs really. Didn't have to do much to lose. Everyone else he played in 2020 sucked except Kyrgios who can't return (this is a serve related stat thread) and Goffin who put him away in straights. It boils down to Nadal avoiding top competition, making short work of weak mug players, and going down quickly in losses against top comp.

Federer suffers because it takes away 2 of his best results that occurred at that time being Dubai and IW. Federer wasn't the same after Wimbledon and bombed in Cincy. A place he normally does really well. The US Open started slow for him and then the 5 setter with Dimitrov to end the misery. He peaked for Basel and the one WTF RR vs Djokovic and that was it for 2019. 2020 he's played 2 tough 5 setters and a 4 setter where he was fighting to survive. Long matches means losing serve and a suffering 2nd serve. He struggled against players he normally wouldn't and had injuries to boot.

Long story short, the cherry picked 52 week period favors Nadal because it rewards him with every tournament on his fav surface clay. That gives him the automatic advantage in the all surfaces/HC categories because Federer loses 2 of his best HC tournies and he struggled after Wimbledon as did Djokovic. Nadal sailed through the next few weeks like nothing. Basically a mouse with both cats away.
 

OldschoolKIaus

Hall of Fame
I would call the Nadal for a serious and sophisticated discussions about his postmodern literature poetic series called "Umbeleebbele".
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Going 52 weeks falls just right for Nadal on this. On Hardcourts it starts him in Canada where he won the title and then the US Open facing Medvedev both times. He avoided all the big threats as usual on the way to both trophies. Nadal quit in Paris to avoid Djokovic, lost to Zverev WTF RR and got eliminated later avoiding all major threats again (No Djokovic, Federer, or Thiem). DC where there was nothing but mugs on the menu from start to finish. How often does Nadal play 11 indoor HC matches avoiding the other 3 top players in the world? Finally meets Djokovic and Thiem once each in 2020 with both being decisive affairs really. Didn't have to do much to lose. Everyone else he played in 2020 sucked except Kyrgios who can't return (this is a serve related stat thread) and Goffin who put him away in straights. It boils down to Nadal avoiding top competition, making short work of weak mug players, and going down quickly in losses against top comp.

Federer suffers because it takes away 2 of his best results that occurred at that time being Dubai and IW. Federer wasn't the same after Wimbledon and bombed in Cincy. A place he normally does really well. The US Open started slow for him and then the 5 setter with Dimitrov to end the misery. He peaked for Basel and the one WTF RR vs Djokovic and that was it for 2019. 2020 he's played 2 tough 5 setters and a 4 setter where he was fighting to survive. Long matches means losing serve and a suffering 2nd serve. He struggled against players he normally wouldn't and had injuries to boot.

Long story short, the cherry picked 52 week period favors Nadal because it rewards him with every tournament on his fav surface clay. That gives him the automatic advantage in the all surfaces/HC categories because Federer loses 2 of his best HC tournies and he struggled after Wimbledon as did Djokovic. Nadal sailed through the next few weeks like nothing. Basically a mouse with both cats away.
Your post reminded me that Fed, who has the highest percentage of 2nd serve points won on grass between 2015-2019 (OP), hasn't played a Top-10 player in Halle after 2005.
 
Your post reminded me that Fed, who has the highest percentage of 2nd serve points won on grass between 2015-2019 (OP), hasn't played a Top-10 player in Halle after 2005.
Your post reminds me that Feds parents worked in a pharmaceutical company.
 

beard

Legend



Federer/Nadal/Djokovic: Second Serve Points Won 2015-2019 On Each Surface - (Bold = Big Three Leader)
PlayerHardClayGrass
Roger Federer58.10%58.49%60.16%
Rafael Nadal56.97%58.65%60.03%
Novak Djokovic58.06%54.69%56.21%
Federer/Nadal/Djokovic: Slams Won 2015-2019 On Each Surface - (Green = Best; Red = Worst)
Roger Federer: Hard 2, Clay 0, Grass 1 ..................................... Overall WORST
Rafael Nadal: Hard 2, Clay 3, Grass 0 ...................................... Overall Second
Novak Djokovic: Hard 6, Clay 1, Grass 4 ................................. Overall BEST

Luckily he has best second service ;)
 
Federer/Nadal/Djokovic: Slams Won 2015-2019 On Each Surface - (Green = Best; Red = Worst)
Roger Federer: Hard 2, Clay 0, Grass 1 ..................................... Overall WORST
Rafael Nadal: Hard 2, Clay 3, Grass 0 ...................................... Overall Second
Novak Djokovic: Hard 6, Clay 1, Grass 4 ................................. Overall BEST

Luckily he has best second service ;)
Even innocent 2nd serve stats aren't safe anymore.

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SonnyT

Legend
Such a weird list (of 2nd serve success)! Composed of 4 multi-slam champs, and 6 servebots! I don't know what to make of it! Sir Andrew was always up there when he was healthy and playing well!
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Tennis is a funny thing. You'd think that given their dominance, that their percentages would be higher than barely over 50%, yet that is enough it seems.
I forgot the exact numbers, but you only need to win like 53% of the points in a match to have a 90% chance of winning it.

Winning even 50% of second serve points is pretty good, since you still have the first serve to help you hold

EDIT: For some perspective, we can look at two of the most dominant seasons ever. Federer went 92-5 (95%) in 2006 but won "only" 55.6% of the total points in his matches that year. Djokovic won 55.8% of all his points in 2015 and finished 82-6 (93%)
 
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Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
I find some similarities in having a successful second serve with having a successful second marriage.
Except that you are allowed to double fault in relationships, though it’s always better to avoid it.
 
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