New Video analysis of Greatest SERVE ever in history of Tennis from Tennis magazine.

[Fedace]

http://www.tennis.com/yourgame/instructionarticles/visuals/visuals.aspx?id=109012
The greatest serve in history of tennis ever is now taken apart by Jon Yandell in Tennis magazine website. I modeled my serve after this so this is a welcome review and reminder for me personally. Many argue that Sampras serve is not the fastest serve in tennis history but most effective and most difficult to handle in history of tennis. Sampras serve is the Heaviest serve in history of tennis ever.:shock:

 

[iamke55]

He must have a 3.0 ground and net game to hold serve less often than Rod+Karlovic if he has a better serve.

 

[superman1]

He must have a 3.0 ground and net game to hold serve less often than Rod+Karlovic if he has a better serve.

Karlovic has an argument, but you're nuts if you think Roddick has a better serve.

 

[samprasbackhand]

He must have a 3.0 ground and net game to hold serve less often than Rod+Karlovic if he has a better serve.

Oh, Please.....

 

[Fedace]

He must have a 3.0 ground and net game to hold serve less often than Rod+Karlovic if he has a better serve.

Are you a sampras hater ? He has the pound for pound, the best serve in history. It is not the speed of the serve, but it also has to do with weight of the ball. If you tried to return pete's serve, it will tear off the racket clean out of your arm

 

[dima]

He must have a 3.0 ground and net game to hold serve less often than Rod+Karlovic if he has a better serve.

That actually makes sense, but then you think with his 3.0 groundgame, he won 14 grandslams. Since his serve is not as good as Karlovics.

 

[Maestro Nalbandian]

http://www.tennis.com/yourgame/instructionarticles/visuals/visuals.aspx?id=109012
Federer has made a habit of neutralizing Andy Roddick’s 140-mph serve with his phenomenal returns. But against Sampras, Federer struggled to put the ball in play and many of his returns appeared uncharacteristically weak.

This is debatable. Was Federer really stuggling to put the ball in play or did he intentionally cut down the pace of his returns??

 

[Fedace]

This is debatable. Was Federer really stuggling to put the ball in play or did he intentionally cut down the pace of his returns??

I agree, you could clearly see, roger was just putting the ball in play so Pete could have a good look at the 1st volley as he was coming in. I don't think roger wanted to make pete look silly as he got passed time after time. Look at their match in Wimbledon, and see how many tough volleys pete had to hit and roger wasn't even returning as well as he does now.

 

[Fedace]

That actually makes sense, but then you think with his 3.0 groundgame, he won 14 grandslams. Since his serve is not as good as Karlovics.

If Pete can win 14 slams with 3.0 ground game, i should be able to win 26 slams with mine.

 

[helloworld]

Roddick? No way, his serve is just hard, that's it. Karlovic? Better comparison to Sampras, but Sampras has shown more results.

 

[WildVolley]

You have to admit that Karlovic is proof that great height allows a server to hit unbelievable angles. But if we want to imagine, imagine a Sampras serve coming from a guy that is 6'10". Now that would be a truly wicked serve.:twisted:

 

[RoddickistheMan]

I agree, you could clearly see, roger was just putting the ball in play so Pete could have a good look at the 1st volley as he was coming in. I don't think roger wanted to make pete look silly as he got passed time after time. Look at their match in Wimbledon, and see how many tough volleys pete had to hit and roger wasn't even returning as well as he does now.

Yeah your right and one of the worlds best tennis analyst is wrong about federer struggling to return serves. Give sampras some credit.
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[helloworld]

You have to admit that Karlovic is proof that great height allows a server to hit unbelievable angles. But if we want to imagine, imagine a Sampras serve coming from a guy that is 6'10". Now that would be a truly wicked serve.:twisted:

I heard that Sampras has an unusually long arm which allows him to serve like a guy who is 6"9 or 6"10.

 

[Fedace]

I heard that Sampras has an unusually long arm which allows him to serve like a guy who is 6"9 or 6"10.

does his arm come down to his knees.??

 

[sureshs]

"But against Sampras, Federer struggled to put the ball in play and many of his returns appeared uncharacteristically weak."

This is what several of us have been saying - Federer was beaten fair and square in the 3rd match, notwithstanding his smiles or his Rolex. He was just blown out of the court by Pete.

 

[RoddickistheMan]

"But against Sampras, Federer struggled to put the ball in play and many of his returns appeared uncharacteristically weak."

This is what several of us have been saying - Federer was beaten fair and square in the 3rd match, notwithstanding his smiles or his Rolex. He was just blown out of the court by Pete.

Some of the point seemed fishy. However I think we should really concentrate on the second match where I believe both players weren't holding anything back. This match seemed very competitive as smiles were rare and looks of intensity were prevalent.
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[Lotto]

Do they break down any other shots like this? Federer forehand or whatever?

 

[don_nguyen11490]

He must have a 3.0 ground and net game to hold serve less often than Rod+Karlovic if he has a better serve.

Troll detected.

 

[drakulie]

karlovic? roddick? LOL

Sampras' serve blows both of them away.

 

[WBF]

Whoa. Never really closely watched the Sampras serve. I'm not the only one who doesn't move their back foot until they're well into the serve! Yay!

 

[sureshs]

Sampras' serve has become even better with his bigger-head racquet (along with his backhand). He might just have won the FO with this racquet.

 

[drakulie]

^^^^and that would mean Courier would have won 4 FO with this racquet. :roll:

 

[iradical18]

That was a good read, I wish I could save those little clips though.

 

[flyer]

Karlovic has an argument, but you're nuts if you think Roddick has a better serve.

Well whats your argument that his serve was better, and your argument better rule out that Sampras' other skills were not to account for his greater success...

 

[flyer]

This is debatable. Was Federer really stuggling to put the ball in play or did he intentionally cut down the pace of his returns??

I can't even believe all these "experts" on these boards could not clearly see Federer was pushing the ball back on many, many of his stokes not just his returns

 

[flyer]

karlovic? roddick? LOL

Sampras' serve blows both of them away.

prove it...

 

[RoddickistheMan]

I can't even believe all these "experts" on these boards could not clearly see Federer was pushing the ball back on many, many of his stokes not just his returns

Prove it! :twisted:
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[FedForGOAT]

I'm sorry, but I can't see how anyone could rate Sampras' serve higher than Ivanisevic's, let alone Karlovic's. He was the best at holding serve maybe, but that was because of the rest of his game. This has been discussed at the other thread about the Greatest Shots in Tennis, and most posters agree Sampras doesn't have the best serve.

 

[sureshs]

I can't even believe all these "experts" on these boards could not clearly see Federer was pushing the ball back on many, many of his stokes not just his returns

Well, then an expert like John Yandell failed to see it too.

 

[babolat15]

that is definetley like a 2.5 player serve, who is that guy anyway

 

[superman1]

Well whats your argument that his serve was better, and your argument better rule out that Sampras' other skills were not to account for his greater success...

I haven't faced either serve. My only argument is that the consensus among the players is that Sampras' serve was/is better than Roddick's. Agassi with his 5-1 record against Roddick would probably agree.

With Karlovic, I have no idea. I don't see enough of Karlovic. How does he serve under pressure? How's his second serve? His serve might be better, I dunno, but it's not invincible - even Roddick has broken him. The one thing I'm sure of is that Sampras had the best pound-for-pound serve ever, which means that he didn't have to sacrifice his ground or net game for the serve, whereas Karlovic is a giant lumbering oaf.

 

[FedForGOAT]

I haven't faced either serve. My only argument is that the consensus among the players is that Sampras' serve was/is better than Roddick's. Agassi with his 5-1 record against Roddick would probably agree.

With Karlovic, I have no idea. I don't see enough of Karlovic. How does he serve under pressure? How's his second serve? His serve might be better, I dunno, but it's not invincible - even Roddick has broken him. The one thing I'm sure of is that Sampras had the best pound-for-pound serve ever, which means that he didn't have to sacrifice his ground or net game for the serve, whereas Karlovic is a giant lumbering oaf.

That's completely irrelevant if "Sampras doesn't have to sacrifice" his other skills. The point is, that Karlovic's sereve has produced this season many more aces than Sampras had in a season, playing much fewer matches.

And for those who say that Sampras' serve would be better if he was Karlovic's height, well, he's not.

 

[Fedace]

^^Pete's serve is much heavier than Karlovic's so it is actually much more effective even though it is not moving as fast.

 

[firstservethenvolley]

Sampras had a great serve but I don't think we can call it the best ever. Ivanisevic and Karlovic come to mind with bigger serves. It is debatable whose serve is the biggest but one thing is for sure that Sampras had a much better serve than Roddick. Sampras' pace+placement over Roddick's pace any day.

 

[FedForGOAT]

^^Pete's serve is much heavier than Karlovic's so it is actually much more effective even though it is not moving as fast.

But Karlovic gets amazing angles.

here is something you can't argue with: Karlovic served about 300 more aces this season than Sampras in his highest season playing less matches.

 

[Jonnyf]

I haven't faced either serve. My only argument is that the consensus among the players is that Sampras' serve was/is better than Roddick's. Agassi with his 5-1 record against Roddick would probably agree.

With Karlovic, I have no idea. I don't see enough of Karlovic. How does he serve under pressure? How's his second serve? His serve might be better, I dunno, but it's not invincible - even Roddick has broken him. The one thing I'm sure of is that Sampras had the best pound-for-pound serve ever, which means that he didn't have to sacrifice his ground or net game for the serve, whereas Karlovic is a giant lumbering oaf.

Although in 2002, Agassi said he felt Roddick's serve was pretty close and that he had perhaps a better 2nd serve. In 2002 he was hitting like 140 tops. Nothing like in 03-

 

[hoosierbr]

Sampras also had the benefit of having incredible shoulder flexibility, as does Roddick, which most players don't have.

Fed can just block Roddick's serve back and it'll float in. Can't really do that w/Sampras' serve as it has too much weight.

Ask Pat Rafter about the weight of that serve. His poor shoulder couldn't hold out.

 

[rwn]

Sampras held serve 90% of the time, Karlovic holds 95% of the time in slower conditions and with heavier balls. Except for delusional Sampras fanatics this is simply no contest.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

I think this eras players are worse at returning serve. It could due to all the extreme grips making if more difficult for them to get a decent hit on the ball Wiht those extreme grips they need a lot more time to set up or need to stand way back making their return less efefctive.

He must have a 3.0 ground and net game to hold serve less often than Rod+Karlovic if he has a better serve.

 

[Fedace]

But Karlovic gets amazing angles.

here is something you can't argue with: Karlovic served about 300 more aces this season than Sampras in his highest season playing less matches.

It is all about mindset. Karlovic is looking for an ACE every time he serves, cause his all around game is very weak and once the ball is in play, his chance of winning the point goes down about 40%. But with Pete, he is trying to set up his big forehand or a easy volley he can put away, that is why less ACES. Pete has about 30% more spin on his serve than Karlovic so he can hit those angles just as easily, although it is not as fast.

 

[flyer]

Prove it! :twisted:

How could I possibly prove it I would have to interview Fed and get him to admit it on camera, so I can't really prove it but I can say what I clearly saw and I would think anyone who watched the matches and has played competitive tennis would have to agree but I realize many of the people do not, but understand that just like I can't prove he was playing pushing, ball machine tennis you can't prove he wasn't

 

[flyer]

^^Pete's serve is much heavier than Karlovic's so it is actually much more effective even though it is not moving as fast.

No it was not, thats only because you measure effective by "slams won," which has to do with his mental, ground game, movement, etc., but if you looks at serve statistics Karlovic has a higher first serve percentage, high ace percentage, and holds serve at a higher percentage....how can you argue that

 

[flyer]

I haven't faced either serve. My only argument is that the consensus among the players is that Sampras' serve was/is better than Roddick's. Agassi with his 5-1 record against Roddick would probably agree.

With Karlovic, I have no idea. I don't see enough of Karlovic. How does he serve under pressure? How's his second serve? His serve might be better, I dunno, but it's not invincible - even Roddick has broken him. The one thing I'm sure of is that Sampras had the best pound-for-pound serve ever, which means that he didn't have to sacrifice his ground or net game for the serve, whereas Karlovic is a giant lumbering oaf.

Umm, Agassi actually said Roddick had the best serve ever at the '07 US Open when he guest commentated the Federer vs. Roddcik match, so wrong assumption there...as for the rest of your post read my previous post just above^^^

 

[sunflowerhx]

That was a good read, I wish I could save those little clips though.

Yes you can - simply save the Shockwave file from the links below.
Then download Zoom Player to play them.
http://www.inmatrix.com/zplayer/

http://www.tennis.com/media/video/videoinstruction/visuals/2007_12_26_sampras_1.swf
http://www.tennis.com/media/video/videoinstruction/visuals/2007_12_26_sampras_2.swf
http://www.tennis.com/media/video/videoinstruction/visuals/2007_12_26_sampras_3.swf
http://www.tennis.com/media/video/videoinstruction/visuals/2007_12_26_sampras_4.swf

 

[Robert Johnson]

Sampras also had the benefit of having incredible shoulder flexibility, as does Roddick, which most players don't have.

Fed can just block Roddick's serve back and it'll float in. Can't really do that w/Sampras' serve as it has too much weight.

Ask Pat Rafter about the weight of that serve. His poor shoulder couldn't hold out.

Pete also has the ability to touch his elbows behind his back - ive seen him do it. Tried the same myself -nowhere close:neutral:

 

[haerdalis]

Karlovic has his height and sampras has his flexibility. I'd say sampras motion is better but Karlovic serve (first serve) is better.

 

[Fedace]

Pete also has the ability to touch his elbows behind his back - ive seen him do it. Tried the same myself -nowhere close:neutral:

YOu can do it too with someone pulling it behind you really hard,,, ask arnold schwartznager to help you.

 

[uNIVERSE mAN]

It is all about mindset. Karlovic is looking for an ACE every time he serves, cause his all around game is very weak and once the ball is in play, his chance of winning the point goes down about 40%. But with Pete, he is trying to set up his big forehand or a easy volley he can put away, that is why less ACES. Pete has about 30% more spin on his serve than Karlovic so he can hit those angles just as easily, although it is not as fast.

He only has 24.7% more spin to be exact.

 

[Fedace]

He only has 24.7% more spin to be exact.

that is like comparing the engines of Freight Train vs Huyndai Sonata.

 

[VikingSamurai]

Are you a sampras hater ? He has the pound for pound, the best serve in history. It is not the speed of the serve, but it also has to do with weight of the ball. If you tried to return pete's serve, it will tear off the racket clean out of your arm

Actually I would fear Becker or Goran's serve more to be honest.. I take anything that Tennis magazine says with a grain of salt..

Do people actually read it?