Novak Djokovic doubtful about Paris
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Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Nadal must be smiling.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Perhaps, he'll ask for a Bercy WC, no?
Peters
Professional
He's had a great year, with multiple slams and a mountain of ranking points.
From a neutral perspective, I want to see him in Paris/London because he's the no1 player - but he needs to be sensible about these remaining tournaments and plan ahead to the defence of his Aus Open crown.
Last thing he wants is to make his injury worse over the next month and for it to still be niggling in January. Hopefully if he skips Paris he'll be alright for London.
From a neutral perspective, I want to see him in Paris/London because he's the no1 player - but he needs to be sensible about these remaining tournaments and plan ahead to the defence of his Aus Open crown.
Last thing he wants is to make his injury worse over the next month and for it to still be niggling in January. Hopefully if he skips Paris he'll be alright for London.
AhmedD
Semi-Pro
Well, makes his job easier if that's what you mean, now he just has Murray to deal with :/
I'm not surprised, I saw his match with bagdatis as well as the middle of the tie breaker today until the final loss. It was obvious Novak was done at 0-3 down, but today, he chose to suck it up and finish it out.
I only saw flashes of good shots, along with bad serving, rusty play, where he missed the lines a lot as well as hitting a lot of forehands into the net.
Novak didn't look ready for prime time, by a long shot. It did seem hard to see him playing 2 more weeks back to back in a Master's as well as WTF. I wonder if he'll play WTF. He's not ready by a long shot. He'll get creamed based on his current form.
He's clearly not ready for play.
It all depends on how well Murray is, Murray could really be injured, and if he is, it's not a simple injury. Time will tell. Fed's looking like he's rested. I'm giving WTF to Fed if Murray is injured, and a toss up between Fed and Murray if Murray isn't injured.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Nadal is not playing Paris what do you mean ?
Clarky21
Banned
Lol. Why is it perfectly ok for this guy to make excuse after excuse for his losses,and claim injury after injury as well,but if Nadal does it he gets treated like sh*t and is called a liar? Not mention the retirements from his matches when he's losing. It also seems as if it's just fine and dandy if he misses tournaments to rest and heal,but Nadal isn't allowed the same privledge or else he is once again called a liar and treated like sh*t. This place is so biased it's not even funny,and has so many double standards when it comes to Nadal that it's hilarious. :lol:
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
I wonder why that is. Maybe it is because Nadal is not a likable guy? I'm surprised he has so many fans tbh. But I guess anyone that has a lot of success will have a lot of fans. Even if they are Ivan Drago. lol
AhmedD
Semi-Pro
We're talking about WTFs, and the possibility that Murray end up in Nadal's half.
gamesetmats
New User
If injured, why play?
I think he should skip Paris and not risk anything as he clearly doesn't need to win it for any reason (ranking points etc...) + He needs to learn to feel his body when to play and when not like Federer does so well.
I think he should skip Paris and not risk anything as he clearly doesn't need to win it for any reason (ranking points etc...) + He needs to learn to feel his body when to play and when not like Federer does so well.
AhmedD
Semi-Pro
I don't really know, I guess people are just more convinced about the legitimacy of Novak's injury, I mean he did take an MTO after winning the first set. Or it could be double standards as you say, a lot of people feel Nadal isn't as genuine as he seems. It's open to debate...
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
This thead was about Paris, fyi.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Erm you've been calling Djokovic a liar all season, he wasn't injured in Cinci he just pulled out to save face, yet here he gets beaten 6-0 in the final set and is also supposedly not injured either, he pulls out while only a set and early break down against delpo but is not injured. Misses a masters and Chino Open that you say he is 100% certaain to win... but he's not injured. He plays a 500 and loses but he's still not injured. What does he actually have to do to look injured in your eyes? I mean short of appearing on court with one leg missing?
The comparisons with Nadal are pointless. Novak has retired a lot but he did this as a minor winner, it wasn't a case of people saying "he only lost because he was injured" it was "this guy will never win because he is a wimp"
Nadal gets bad press because his army of fans state he would win every match if he asn't injured. It is only THIS year that Djokovic is the guy to beat if fit. So basically he has to notch up another 2-4 years of winning several titles and appearing injured in every match he loses to match Nadal on this one.
All the previous years no-one was saying "Novak only lost that match cos he was injured" What you have had to put up with a mere THREE times, people have been putting up with with regards to Nadal for about 4 years.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Anyway, Novak should just pull out. It's not going to get better in a couple of days. If it was just rustiness then he should play, but not if he's injured, and 6-0 does suggest it is a physical problem - I mean even I thought Nadal must be in trouble when he lost a 6-0 set to Murray.
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
The funny thing is Nadal was just fine. Murray was just on fire.
Clarky21
Banned
Why? He is a proven faker and gamesman. He retires matches constantly,and is one the biggest quitters on the tour,quitting matches for silly reasons such as being too hot or having a sore throat. His injuries should be viewed with the same suspicion people cast upon Nadal for his injuries if not more.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Nadal used to be let off the hook all the time. But when he started turning into a coward by calling MTOs in tournaments (particularly Wimbledon) and making a mockery of time-outs only to come back out on the court like nothing was wrong, that's when people became convinced he was full of sh*t, not to mention the coaching he received regularly from his Uncle along with the massive time wasting between serves.
Djokovic and Nadal really are cut from the same cloth. Both are all about gamesmanship.
I think it just goes to show that people have faves and get too worked up, and start thinking someone won't lose. It's the fans that give stuff a bad rap, rarely the players themselves. And it's fascinating how fans debate retirements. Nadal has consistently played harder his entire career, with the exception of this year. Novak has had more retirements than Nadal, who's been on the tour for longer. It was decent of Novak to not retire today, I watched a good portion of the match, and Kei looked more hurt during the 3rd set after he took his MTO to get his foot taped up. He looked like he had leg issues.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Nadal gets illegal coaching from his Uncle AND he takes time outs and bogus MTOs. Nadal bends the rules. Why the hell would anybody respect him for that? Everybody on this board has seen it. Look at Wimbledon 2010 against Petschener. Look at Hamburg 08 against Federer. Completely BOGUS time outs. He's as bogus as Djokovic.
I think that's a load of bunk. And trying to put down both Nadal and Djokovic doesn't make Fed better.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Ye, no surprise you disagree. Nadal gets coaching from his Uncle. Even in his book he admits he has no self confidence and relies heavily on family support. The guy is still a kid and does what his Uncle tells him to do. And he's a cheater just like Djokovic. Even Federer has cheated, taking a bogus bathroom break when getting spanked by Davydenko at the AO 2010, trying to disrupt his rhythm and waiting for night fall. Federer even admitted it was a tactic he used.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Nadal gets bad press from this forum because this is mainly populated by Fed fans, and many Fed fans hate Nadal because he stole a lot of glory from him. If he did not exist, Fed would have had 1, 2 or 3 CYGS by now, etc. That's all there is to it.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
2011 has really taken it's toll on Novak's body. He's not able to sustain Super Saiyan 3 for extended periods of time lol.
C
celoft
Guest
Better save himself for the WTF.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
It's true it's more the fans themselves. And I used to get really annoyed with Novak always pulling out of matches or taking MTO, I still don't like it now. But he just used to give up the match and then people would say he was a wimp etc. No-one ever said "Well he only lost because he was injured" until this year, and I felt bad for Murray (not even liking Murray) that people don't sort of count this as a win over Djokovic - ok he was injured but we don't know what would have happened if he wasn't, Murray is still going to be able to beat him so give him credit, Novak could still play the first set.
Now with Nadal, from about 2007/2008 a lot of losses have been put down to injury/tiredness. Unlike with Djokovic people don't say "Wimp!" they say "poor injured rafa, he would have won otherwise" THAT'S the difference. Djokovic always got humiliated for his retirements/physical problmes, Nadal got made a hero.
Now if Djokovic keeps this up for another few years he will be where Nadal is now - a guy who has excuses made for him for whatever loss he suffers. But that has only begun this year. That's what I was saying to Clarky (though I'm not sure if he/she has blocked me for repeatedly talking sense and refuting their arguments)
So you deny that a lot of Nadal fans put every loss down to injury?
tlm
G.O.A.T.
These are the cold hard facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We saw what happened when Fed-Murray played last year at WTF
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Things have changed in a year.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
They haven't even played each other at all this year.
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Murray is ranked ahead of Federer now though and Djokovic is beating Federer this year unlike last year.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
No doubt, but I still think Federer can get back to the top before he calls it quits. Next year could be a big year for him.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Fed was back in his chair from the bathroom break before the umpire called time. Please explain how is it cheating and how was Davydenko's rhythm disrupted because Fed was in the bathroom instead of his chair during the stipulated time between sets. How come you don't list every bathroom break taken by Fed and every other player (between sets) as cheating ? Just because Fed joked about this one in his on court interview?
Just curious why you abandoned the cc0509 username when it is not banned ?
niff
Legend
Djok will play in Paris, according to the tourny director: http://www.20minutes.fr/ledirect/818576/tennis-novak-djokovic-present-masters-bercy-des-mardi
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
No way. Federer will never be #1 again. He can't win anything when Nadal and Djokovic are in form. He has to go through both of them to win and that's impossible at the Slams. Federer can't solve Djokovic at the AO. He has no prayer against Nadal at Roland Garros. And now he's having all sorts of trouble against big hitters like Berdych and Tsonga at Wimbledon, let alone having to go through Nadal and Djokovic there.
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woodrow1029
Guest
You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?
abmk
Bionic Poster
The scary thing is that he ( and some of the others ) are actually under the illusion that they do have an idea !
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Good point, no one is clean that is for sure.
I really wonder how many of you have played tennis at all. Why should any player have to justify taking a toilet break? Can any of you imagine what it is like playing in front of millions of people in cool conditions with your nerves on edge.
At the end of the day no on line coaching is going to make a difference as the player still has to deliver and the best will always survive no matter what the distraction caused by players going for a break or having treatment etc. That is why the top players are NOT kids they are real men who fight alone and have to face all sorts of critics if things don't go right but they always come back to fight and win another great match.
At the end of the day no on line coaching is going to make a difference as the player still has to deliver and the best will always survive no matter what the distraction caused by players going for a break or having treatment etc. That is why the top players are NOT kids they are real men who fight alone and have to face all sorts of critics if things don't go right but they always come back to fight and win another great match.
tennisenthusiast
Hall of Fame
Amen!......
Nole is playing the waiting game is getting ridiculous. He should announce whether if he's playing or not a long time ago so the director can replace him with another player. Rather than waiting til the last minute decision which complicates the issue. The tournament has already started. Have some respect Nole.
All-rounder
Legend
So Djokovic is playing Paris?? But I thought he was injured??? Looooool. Djokovic fans need to keep quiet.
TJfederer16
Hall of Fame
Unless Novak is 100%, which seems pretty unlikely after just a couple of days rest and no practice, it would be a very stupid move to play Paris when London is just around the corner and risk aggravating the shoulder even more, hopefully for the WTF's sake he'll pull out to make sure he's 100% for that.
sportsfan1
Legend
I didn't see any updates on this in the news, whether Djoker's playing Paris/Bercy or not? Isn't there some kind of deadline before which to decide and give the tournament organizers a chance to fill the draw? If the injury was bad -think he said 'bad pain in the shoulder' - and it was so bad he got bageled against Kei Nishikori, then it should be an easy decision to withdraw, no? These Djoker injuries are always surrounded in mystery 
It would be nice to know if they will switch to have Fed & Murray on opposite sides of the draw for a possible final.
It would be nice to know if they will switch to have Fed & Murray on opposite sides of the draw for a possible final.
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