Novak Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 players since 2016...

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[mike danny]

Nadal on slow HC: 3 Masters and 1 Slam in his whole career
Djokovic on clay: 3 Masters and 1 Slam on clay since 2016

What does it tell us?

It's certainly more than 1 slam. The USO hasn't been fast after 2010.

 

[ADuck]

Nadal on clay is strongest than anyone on their strongest surface
Nadal on grass is weakest than anyone on their weakest surface.

The results say otherwise

 

[ForehandRF]

Nadal on clay is strongest than anyone on their strongest surface
Nadal on grass is weakest than anyone on their weakest surface.

You are saying this because of those losses in 2012-2017 ?

 

[Gazelle]

6-7 and still holds two masters titles, Madrid and Rome.

Not too bad, not too bad.

Opportunist

 

[MichaelNadal]

The focus on Djoko from the ************* are off the charts. That AO win and #1 record must have threatened them. Don't worry though, Nadal will win his monte carlo title.

And take the lead to 21-18 soon

 

[mike danny]

Nadal on clay is strongest than anyone on their strongest surface
Nadal on grass is weakest than anyone on their weakest surface.

Disagree.

Even with those early losses in 2012-2017, Nadal still has 2 titles, 3 more finals and 2 more semis.

 

[mike danny]

And take the lead to 21-18 soon

Lionel knows his stuff

 

[MichaelNadal]

Lionel knows his stuff

Such a ridiculously good antagonist lol. Reminds me of Rumpelstiltskin in Once Upon a Time with the way they calmly run things.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Just imagine the h2h if they played as often during Djokovic's downturn as they did Nadal's... wow...

That works with Fed as well though. Nadal didn’t play Fed once in his worst year, 2015, and Djoker never met Fed during his mental walkabout in 2017.

 

[NoleFam]

I do get that @weakera was being cheeky here but don't think he thought this one through. You do know that Nadal is 71-73 against the top 10 on hardcourt for his entire career right? What does that tell us?

 

[NatF]

I do get that @weakera was being cheeky here but don't think he thought this one through. You do know that Nadal is 71-73 against the top 10 on hardcourt for his entire career right? What does that tell us?

I was waiting for someone to bring this up lol.

 

[weakera]

I do get that @weakera was being cheeky here but don't think he thought this one through. You do know that Nadal is 71-73 against the top 10 on hardcourt for his entire career right? What does that tell us?

How about outdoor hc?

How about vs. Djokovic at USO?

 

[NoleFam]

How about outdoor hc?

How about vs. Djokovic at USO?

Outdoors? He's 49-50 which isn't much better. Lol. You walked right into this one.

How about it?

 

[weakera]

Outdoors? He's 49-50 which isn't much better. Lol. You walked right into this one.

How about it?

I see you missed half of my post?

 

[NoleFam]

I see you missed half of my post?

Did I miss it? I said how about it?

 

[GabeT]

Wow...


What does this tell us?

Nadal is 6-9 in HC vs top 10 since 2019. What it tells us?

 

[RF-18]

And take the lead to 21-18 soon

Lets see about that. Taking wins beforehand might prove dangerous.

 

[RF-18]

Outdoors? He's 49-50 which isn't much better. Lol. You walked right into this one.

How about it?

 

[GabeT]

It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay

where did you get this from? Data shows it’s the exact opposite.
Nadal won about 49% of his HC matches against top 10 players in his career. Novak won 57% of his clay matches against top 10 players in his career.

 

[Hitman]

Opportunist

How pathetic is the rest of the tour to allow him to pull it off not just once, but twice after such a decline on clay. One masters, ok, but two?

 

[Hitman]

I do get that @weakera was being cheeky here but don't think he thought this one through. You do know that Nadal is 71-73 against the top 10 on hardcourt for his entire career right? What does that tell us?

So it has dropped less than 50% on the main tour surface against top ten players?

 

[NatF]

How pathetic is the rest of the tour to allow him to pull it off not just once, but twice after such a decline on clay. One masters, ok, but two?

The tour is super pathetic you're right lol.

 

[RF-18]

where did you get this from? Data shows it’s the exact opposite.
Nadal won about 49% of his HC matches against top 10 players in his career. Novak won 57% of his clay matches against top 10 players in his career.

Roflmao weakera owning

 

[Hitman]

where did you get this from? Data shows it’s the exact opposite.
Nadal won about 49% of his HC matches against top 10 players in his career. Novak won 57% of his clay matches against top 10 players in his career.

So Djokovic plus 50 on all three surfaces, and Nadal isn't? Lol

 

[NoleFam]

So it has dropped less than 50% on the main tour surface against top ten players?

Yes he's less than 50% on both outdoor hard and indoor hard for his career. Djokovic is 41-31 against top 10 players on clay in case the OP was curious.

 

[Tenacity]

weakera exposed, how about that TTW readers?

 

[Hitman]

Yes he's less than 50% on both outdoor hard and indoor hard for his career. Djokovic is 41-31 against top 10 players on clay in case the OP was curious.

So the GOAT has a losing H2H against top ten players on HC, the main tour surface in his whole career?

Well, he did win USO playing no one inside the top 25 in 2017, and only one top 20 player in 2019.

 

[Third Serve]

I do get that @weakera was being cheeky here but don't think he thought this one through. You do know that Nadal is 71-73 against the top 10 on hardcourt for his entire career right? What does that tell us?

How about outdoor hc?

How about vs. Djokovic at USO?

Outdoors? He's 49-50 which isn't much better. Lol. You walked right into this one.

How about it?

lol that’s some self-ownage right there

 

[NoleFam]

So the GOAT has a losing H2H against top ten players on HC, the main tour surface in his whole career?

Well, he did win USO playing no one inside the top 25 in 2017, and only one top 20 player in 2019.

Yes he does. I may create a thread on this since the OP brought up this topic. You know who else has losing records against top 10 players on hardcourt? Guys who only won 1 or 2 hardcourt Slams in their career. None of them won more than 2 except Nadal which is kind of interesting, don't you think?

Well you pretty much nailed it right here.

 

[Hitman]

Yes he does. I may create a thread on this since the OP brought up this topic. You know who else has losing records against top 10 players on hardcourt? Guys who only won 1 or 2 hardcourt Slams in their career. None of them won more than 2 except Nadal which is kind of interesting, don't you think?

Well you pretty much nailed it right here.

Interesting topic thread....

 

[ADuck]

where did you get this from? Data shows it’s the exact opposite.
Nadal won about 49% of his HC matches against top 10 players in his career. Novak won 57% of his clay matches against top 10 players in his career.

But I thought the clay competition was weaker? So is it really as impressive?

 

[USO]

Wow...


What does this tell us?

Embarrassing stat for Djokovic.

Great thread.

 

[weakera]

Embarrassing stat for Djokovic.

Great thread.

Lol thanks bro

 

[blablavla]

Wow...


What does this tell us?

it tells us that age is just a number

 

[blablavla]

6-7 and still holds two masters titles, Madrid and Rome.

Not too bad, not too bad.

how many top 10 players did he defeated en route to Rome 2020?
and en-route to Western & Southern 2020?

 

[blablavla]

True but he still defeated Busta and Tsisipas pre final. 2 great wins.

Busta is a great win?


that's not even Roddick level
not even Baghdatis

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Man, it's so good that @NoleFam is back.

 

[Hitman]

how many top 10 players did he defeated en route to Rome 2020?
and en-route to Western & Southern 2020?

None in Rome, which is the whole point, the top ten couldn't even get to him to stop him. Take what you can if the competition is that bad.

I do believe Djokovic beat Baustista Agut in the semis of Cincy and he was ranked number 8.

 

[blablavla]

None in Rome, which is the whole point, the top ten couldn't even get to him to stop him. Take what you can if the competition is that bad.

I do believe Djokovic beat Baustista Agut in the semis of Cincy and he was ranked number 8.

4 top ten players didn't play in Rome 2020, and Novak couldn't play himself
so it was more like a Mickey Mouse tournament from day 1
and then none of them made it to Novak

Rome 2020 seeds
seed #1 Djokovic, ranked #1
seed #2 Nadal, ranked #2
seed #3 Tsitsipas, ranked #6
seed #4 Berrettini, ranked #8
seed #5 Monfils, ranked #9
seed #6 Goffin, ranked #10

first top 10 player that Novak could have potentially play was Monfils, who lost in R2.
second top 10 player that Novak could have potentially play was Berrettini, who lost in QF
third top 10 player that Novak could have potentially play was Nadal, who list in QF

 

[Gazelle]

How pathetic is the rest of the tour to allow him to pull it off not just once, but twice after such a decline on clay. One masters, ok, but two?

Well, the tour is pathetic

 

[NoleFam]

Man, it's so good that @NoleFam is back.

 

[Tenacity]

Embarrassing stat for Djokovic.

Great thread.

Lol thanks bro

 

[daggerman]

So he’s...6-3 on clay against top-10 players other than Rafa?

Not too bad.

 

[dr325i]

Wow...


What does this tell us?

How are others doing on Clay vs. Nadal and Thiem???

 

[Beckerserve]

Wow...


What does this tell us?

Mental midget he is

 

[Beckerserve]

Nadal on slow HC: 3 Masters and 1 Slam in his whole career
Djokovic on clay: 3 Masters and 1 Slam on clay since 2016

What does it tell us?

What are you talking about re nadal lol? Are u saying USO is fast?

 

[mike danny]

So he’s...6-3 on clay against top-10 players other than Rafa?

Not too bad.

Are the 3 losses Thiem, Thiem and Murray?

 

[daggerman]

Are the 3 losses Thiem, Thiem and Murray?

Thiem (2017), Thiem (2019), Zverev (2017)

 

[mike danny]

Thiem (2017), Thiem (2019), Zverev (2017)

I don't think Z was top 10 yet at that time though.