My opponent today went all out hitting spraying balls everywhere on the warm-up and then played warm-up shots the whole match. Very odd.
I don't mind some pace just hit down the middle. If they can't do both then hit with less pace.I've seen those guys. Played one on Tuesday. Ripping flat FH's at me (or more commonly, the net) in warmup, then pushing moon balls back the rest of the game (and encouraging his partner to do so as well). At least it helped me dial in my FH's for my club tournament match 2 days later.
I wonder if its an ego thing of not wanting to be "out-hit" in warmup. I do hit a reasonably deep heavy ball in warmup and maybe some guys view that as a challenge to their manhood.
I don't play on a team and the courts are fully booked before the match so it becomes essential in the warm-up to hit some balls to get in the groove. I agree that it's a good oppurtunity to get a sense of their game.Well the purpose of the warm-up is to figure out your opponent strengths and weaknesses. It's not really to warm up. 10 minutes is really not enough time to get a full warm-up in. When I played league against unfamiliar players I would test my opponent by hitting shots to their FH, BH, slices, and wide shots to see how well they move. I would be warmed from hitting with my own team before the match starts. I also personally warm-up with my own team by hitting at 50% at most.
i have found that if you want a warmup before a match, schedule it with some team members prior to the match.
with opponents, you never know what you will get, so assume you wont get anything useful, and you wont be
taken out of rhythm, and give up the first few games of the set.
the worse opponents are those who spray the ball all over the place, you only are picking up balls
during the allotted warmup time.
for me, i like to warm up about 15-20 min prior, so i usually ask some team members to show up 30 minutes prior
to get a useful warmup
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Well the purpose of the warm-up is to figure out your opponent strengths and weaknesses. It's not really to warm up. 10 minutes is really not enough time to get a full warm-up in. When I played league against unfamiliar players I would test my opponent by hitting shots to their FH, BH, slices, and wide shots to see how well they move. I would be warmed from hitting with my own team before the match starts. I also personally warm-up with my own team by hitting at 50% at most.
Well the purpose of the warm-up is to figure out your opponent strengths and weaknesses. It's not really to warm up. 10 minutes is really not enough time to get a full warm-up in. When I played league against unfamiliar players I would test my opponent by hitting shots to their FH, BH, slices, and wide shots to see how well they move. I would be warmed from hitting with my own team before the match starts. I also personally warm-up with my own team by hitting at 50% at most.
Tell your opponent a good warmup is very important to you because your eyes take time to get adjusted. So without that warmup, you may find it harder to make good line calls. He'll get the message.
I'm 24 years old and played college tennis so I'm referring to a normal warmup. Having said that, my original reply wasn't entirely serious. I'd only say that to a friend in jest or to someone I already know is a cheater. In most cases I would first tell the guy to give me a proper warmup. And if he still won't, I'd tell him we can either play with good sportsmanship or not, and I'm capable of playing either way.Good warmup meaning a 25 minutes+ Boomer style "give me some more at the net please, (I don't want to pay for lessons)" thing instead of the 5-10 minutes it is supposed to be?
And if he doesn't understand or believe your threat of de facto cheating, he can easily call in a monitor when you miscall the lines if in a tournament, or just cheat you back if in a league.
Lucky to just wear braces. Rarely play doubles without one player sporting a new joint or twoThese are also the players that have arm braces and shoulder injuries
I think playing to your strengths is good advice for everyone. I wouldn't say that makes their weaknesses irrelevant though. I mean, I hit a good lefty slice serve but it's still helpful to know if they struggle more with the jammed forehand or the wide backhand.And to be honest, I play most of my matches with the attitude that I will play to my strengths and dare you to beat it. The odd match where that hasn't been the best strategy was because the opponent was just better and my switching tactics to attack perceived weaknesses with my weaker shots did not solve the problem.
Someone's been taking the "Winning Ugly" mentality too seriously.
My opponent today went all out hitting spraying balls everywhere on the warm-up and then played warm-up shots the whole match. Very odd.
it maybe a intimidation tactic. but the guys that behave like this usually aren't very good so you can beat them fairly in routine fashion. Still it is no fun playing these types of guys, so I make sure I don't play them again everMy opponent today went all out hitting spraying balls everywhere on the warm-up and then played warm-up shots the whole match. Very odd.
No, the purpose of a warm up is to warm up. Court time is sparse. I don’t know where you live that there is a convenient court to spend 30 minutes just warming up with your teammates. Preventing your opponent from getting a few warm up shots in during the warm up period is unsportsmanlike.
I notice an increasing amount of players that will do everything possible to prevent you from warm-up and getting the rhytm.
Play as inconsistent and random as possible, only to have you "cold" at the beginning of the match.
So, when possible, I prefer to warm-up before.
Ideally 30-45 min with mates, when not possible at least 20 min with the wall.
In the later case I just use the "warm-up" to get used to the court surface & bounce.
But where do you warm up 30-45 minutes prior to a match? Is tennis just not popular in your area so there are spare unused courts nearby? Where I am it goes like this: Show up from straight from work at 6:15 for a 6:30 match to check in with captain. All other courts are already booked solid with other matches/USTA leagues. Nearest other courts are 30 minutes away when factoring traffic. As soon as the clock says 6:30 walk on court. Drop bag and grab racquet. Crack open can of new balls. Hit for 5 minutes to include volleys and overheads, warm up serve for 3-5 minutes (about 6-9 serves per side). By 6:40 serve first ball. No time for anything else. If someone was intentionally not hitting appropriate warm up balls, people would be mad and that person would be reported or at the very least be black balled from further play. Very unsportsmanlike.
I think playing to your strengths is good advice for everyone. I wouldn't say that makes their weaknesses irrelevant though. I mean, I hit a good lefty slice serve but it's still helpful to know if they struggle more with the jammed forehand or the wide backhand.
I see. You are one of those people...Well the purpose of the warm-up is to figure out your opponent strengths and weaknesses. It's not really to warm up. 10 minutes is really not enough time to get a full warm-up in. When I played league against unfamiliar players I would test my opponent by hitting shots to their FH, BH, slices, and wide shots to see how well they move.
Whilst you have to take what people do before the racquet toss with a grain of salt, I don't think I've ever had a match with a stranger where I haven't gleaned at least one or two useful things from the warm-up. If someone doesn't appear to bend their knees well to low balls, or shanks a bunch of volleys, I'm going to test that out early in the match. If they actually play that stuff really well, so be it. I haven't lost anything by making sure.Hard to figure that out in a warm up. I don't routinely return practice serves as it wastes time if I send it wide or into the net. I gather the serves and serve them back. I'll maybe just take one practice return near the end of serve return. So you aren't going to know what bothers me until the match starts.
Same thing with most of the other parts of the warm up since I'm not focusing on doing what I do best, but rather focusing on "warming up". You likely will get a false sense of what I do and do not like. If you hit any sort of challenging ball to me in warm up, I'll likely just bunt it back to keep the rally going.
The number of times someone has remarked to me halfway through the first set that they didn't realise I was left handed is a little scary.
As one of those 'weird' players i can say in my defense that I do not do well hitting slow balls. I have to hit at least medium speed even at the warm up. It's a remnant from when I had tennis elbow and I had found that racket head speed helped minimize or eliminate pain as the racquet mass & speed were moving the ball instead of my arm doing it. Unfortunately, that approach has lingered even after TE healed so I can't just slowly massage the ball, I need the racquet head speed and that implies at least medium pace balls.My opponent today went all out hitting spraying balls everywhere on the warm-up and then played warm-up shots the whole match. Very odd.
Pace is fine as long as it is down the middle! This guy I played had no control over it and that is probably why he resorted to pushing once the match started.As one of those 'weird' players i can say in my defense that I do not do well hitting slow balls. I have to hit at least medium speed even at the warm up. It's a remnant from when I had tennis elbow and I had found that racket head speed helped minimize or eliminate pain as the racquet mass & speed were moving the ball instead of my arm doing it. Unfortunately, that approach has lingered even after TE healed so I can't just slowly massage the ball, I need the racquet head speed and that implies at least medium pace balls.
I'm sure you TRY to hit the ball back to your opponent's vicinity, otherwise you wouldn't be at this message board. You need to get a coach who knows how to teach. You got tennis elbow from wrong technique, continuing it will just compound the problem. I bet you wear one of those voo-doo devices on your arm and/or kt tape. Gravity is all you need to make a proper tennis stroke with a slight assist from your biceps, triceps and wrist to drive the ball when a little power is needed--any nine year old can hit the ball out of the park. Find a coach who teaches technique and ask him to teach you the loop--it's the same stroke EVERY pro uses--none use the "get the racket back" b.s.--but thats what they teach--or just watch RFed and do what he does--WARNING : THIS IS A VAST OVERSIMPLIFICATION--your results may vary depending on who your coach is followed by 10,000 practice hours.I have to hit at least medium speed even at the warm up. It's a remnant from when I had tennis elbow and I had found that racket head speed helped minimize or eliminate pain as the racquet mass & speed were moving the ball instead of my arm doing it.
Nope, no device or tape. And, I don't have TE right now, it came and went but while I had it, my attempt to prevent it while still playing a lot was to let the racquet head speed & weight hit the ball and really avoid using the arm much. In mini tennis it's all about arming the racquet as far as i can tell which my brain refuses to do.I'm sure you TRY to hit the ball back to your opponent's vicinity, otherwise you wouldn't be at this message board. You need to get a coach who knows how to teach. You got tennis elbow from wrong technique, continuing it will just compound the problem. I bet you wear one of those voo-doo devices on your arm and/or kt tape. Gravity is all you need to make a proper tennis stroke with a slight assist from your biceps, triceps and wrist to drive the ball when a little power is needed--any nine year old can hit the ball out of the park. Find a coach who teaches technique and ask him to teach you the loop--it's the same stroke EVERY pro uses--none use the "get the racket back" b.s.--but thats what they teach--or just watch RFed and do what he does--WARNING : THIS IS A VAST OVERSIMPLIFICATION--your results may vary depending on who your coach is followed by 10,000 practice hours.
This means you're doing it wrong.In mini tennis it's all about arming the racquet as far as i can tell