ByeByePoly
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Stringer said he only used 30 feet from reel to string my racquet. That's 22 fb stringings ... $1.80 per. hahaha ... and if I use for cross only ... 50+
Ordered reel Isospeed Baseline 16g
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Stringer said he only used 30 feet from reel to string my racquet. That's 22 fb stringings ... $1.80 per. hahaha ... and if I use for cross only ... 50+
Ignatz Tushwop
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It looks great in your racquet.
Overheadsmash
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I use Baseline speed as across for my babolat tonic natural gut mains a lot and it works really well and lasts a long time. Well worth it for the price.
ByeByePoly
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I'm out ... no poly for me. My arm has felt sore and fatigued all day. I'm telling the stringer to forget the Velocity/Baseline.
Thx for the input guys ... really appreciate it.
Next stop Velocity 16 nat/Velocity 17 black. My main goal is straighter strings. I like fb V @52, so thinking 55/52 ... or maybe 55/50. ???
Thx for the input guys ... really appreciate it.
Next stop Velocity 16 nat/Velocity 17 black. My main goal is straighter strings. I like fb V @52, so thinking 55/52 ... or maybe 55/50. ???
Shroud
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Zx is one of the best crosses for "straighter strings". Paired with gut mains its hard to fathom a better choice for arm challenged humans
Shroud
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Its that gutter headband. It throws off balance and messes with the legs ultimately.
There was one poster who claimed tennis elbow had alot to do with posture and iirc was some kind of physical therapist or doctor
Ooohhh dear. His Bridge moniker on the Bridge forums would be Bye Bye Trump i bet
ByeByePoly
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Don't play brige so that took me a second. Very clever.
Looks like I get to keep ByeByePoly.
@esgee48 can fill in my stringer comments when I bring him zx and tell him to stretch it 4 feet. And then tell him "just keep trying if it snaps". Pretty good chance he would "snap" since he is "high-strung".
ByeByePoly
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Tennis will humiliate everyone eventually. I just get it over with by putting on the gutter before the match.
esgee48
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@Shroud is very smart or is lucky. That Bye Bye Trump was something I WAS going to introduce since [1] it means you messed up playing bridge and [2]
As far as BBP's beleaguer stringer, he'll probably sigh with some relief until he tries to do the ZX cross. Then much cursing will ensue as he [1] not prestretch enough [2] wonder why the string keeps stretching [3] breaks the string on a knot. Then he will read these forums and curse BBP even more because he will become addicted to these forums [4] start spending 'quality time' here debating how to string and [5] shakes his head on some of the outlier theories that abound here and [6] has a nervous breakdown forcing our buddy BBP to feel guilty and look for a new stringer. Or as @Traffic says, get his own stringer.
As far as BBP's beleaguer stringer, he'll probably sigh with some relief until he tries to do the ZX cross. Then much cursing will ensue as he [1] not prestretch enough [2] wonder why the string keeps stretching [3] breaks the string on a knot. Then he will read these forums and curse BBP even more because he will become addicted to these forums [4] start spending 'quality time' here debating how to string and [5] shakes his head on some of the outlier theories that abound here and [6] has a nervous breakdown forcing our buddy BBP to feel guilty and look for a new stringer. Or as @Traffic says, get his own stringer.
Ignatz Tushwop
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I use a basic syn gut when it gets cold. (winter) simply forten sweet 17 fb 55-60.
Reel is cheap.
Reel is cheap.
ByeByePoly
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Here is a comment on age-challenged singles:
Counting me ... 6 of us played a bunch of singles against each other this summer. 4 of the 6 are now out with injury:
- calf, and now hamstring (me)
- achilles
- arch knot ... plantar fibroma (our baby of the group ... 50
) - hernia (not sure if this was tennis related)
One of the other guys spent a night at the hospital getting fluids. He is probably the best shape of all of us ... but played 3 singles matches in one day at 57-58.
So only one remained injury/heat exhaustion free. He swims regularly for his aerobic work ... and is an ex-marathon runner. 58 ... really have to throw him out from the test sample.
Bottom line ... don't get older than 50... EVER.
ByeByePoly
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I use a basic syn gut when it gets cold. (winter) simply forten sweet 17 fb 55-60.
Reel is cheap.
Of the guys I play with regularly this summer, the most penetrating stroke I face is a guy using Dunlop SG 16g black strung @58 in a 100ish racquet. Flatter strokes ... but really good pace.
Edit: the heaviest ball I ever faced was someone hitting 15g Forten Sweet.
Ignatz Tushwop
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It's a good nylon, people used this before poly and couldn't afford gut..
I play doubles, I wish I started playing tennis earlier in life I'm 58 so singles is tough now.
Looks like you have a good group of players.
Doubles will extend your time on the courts, hopefully without injuries, alot of guys here are well into there 60s and 70s playing doubles frequently.
I play doubles, I wish I started playing tennis earlier in life I'm 58 so singles is tough now.
Looks like you have a good group of players.
Doubles will extend your time on the courts, hopefully without injuries, alot of guys here are well into there 60s and 70s playing doubles frequently.
Shroud
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Shroud is lucky he is very smart@Shroud is very smart or is lucky. That Bye Bye Trump was something I WAS going to introduce since [1] it means you messed up playing bridge and [2]
As far as BBP's beleaguer stringer, he'll probably sigh with some relief until he tries to do the ZX cross. Then much cursing will ensue as he [1] not prestretch enough [2] wonder why the string keeps stretching [3] breaks the string on a knot. Then he will read these forums and curse BBP even more because he will become addicted to these forums [4] start spending 'quality time' here debating how to string and [5] shakes his head on some of the outlier theories that abound here and [6] has a nervous breakdown forcing our buddy BBP to feel guilty and look for a new stringer. Or as @Traffic says, get his own stringer.
Thought I might mention this. Using a ball machine hitting dead balls is one of the toughest things you can do to your arm. Also difficult on the arm is early morning play on the clay courts where the balls pick up moisture.
Ignatz Tushwop
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All depends on technique, if you hit a flat ball any string can hurt especially if your arming the ball. Plenty of players who have tennis elbow before poly strings came out.
ByeByePoly
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Not nearly the numbers we see with poly. I played competitive tennis for 40 years with (and against) nylon strings and never saw one case of TE. Just read the health forum threads, and here in strings ... TE is common now. I really don't buy the technique arguments either. I've seen a lot of bad technique over those 40 years ... and no tennis elbow. We all played with 10 oz hh stiff racquets ... still no TE. Most of my generation were flat ball hitters (or at least mostly flat).
For this tennis player ... it's the poly.
ByeByePoly
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Absolutely. The best thing for TE (or post TE) would be only hit with a new balls every time out.
I use Pro Penn Marathon in the ball machine. I open new cans in spring. I always expected to need replace mid-summer, but surprisingly never need to until following spring. I kid you not ... the balls are not even close to dead. I have no idea how that is possible. I always play matches with a new can of Pro Penn Marathon, but they would be better in the second match then most other balls brand new. A friend opened a can of Wilson US Open balls in one match this summer. Lower bounce ... but good until second set. I really think my ball machine balls were more arm friendly.
I was worried about the ball machine sessions in spring coming off TE. I hit a lot of balls with Velocity, and never had a single twinge. I hit a couple of sessions with Cream ... and had a twinge the day after (why I'm not playing fb Cream now as my string ... I loved it). So finished summer playing a ton of singles with fb Velocity, and zero elbow twinge/signs. I assumed I'm 100% … so try Bsseline @45. Arm and back of hand felt sore and fatigued for 3 days. Not pain ... like TE pain ... but obvious signs that I never saw once all summer with fb Velocity.
The ball machine actually presents a related string challenge. I want one of my V1s to be for the ball machine, and the other for matches. I obviously need a arm friendly setup for the ball machine. I really don't want different strings for bm and matches ... the bm is practice and best practice is with same strings. So fb Velocity solves that ... I just have to let poly go.
Edit: I have massaged my forearm and tricep the last couple of days. I haven't needed to do that for months. When I poked around on the forearm with my fingers I found two major sore spots. All from one poly bm session. To me, there is little doubt poly gives our arms and elbows more strain. Many can handle it ... but that doesn't change the fact it's more strain. FYI.
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Ignatz Tushwop
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Ignatz Tushwop
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Agree poly hurt alot of elbows more then nylon ever will
Traffic
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@ByeByePoly , sounds like you have no issues with fb Velocity and tonic/Cream. Maybe fb Cream would be ok, but there was that twinge (maybe Cream dying juuuust enough?) I think you've got your answer. Cream is about the "stiffest" poly you should go and quite possibly only in a hybrid like V/Cream.
But you might be bored of only playing with tonic/Cream and fb Velocity (and possibly V/Cream). So third racquet or buy your own stringing machine.
But you might be bored of only playing with tonic/Cream and fb Velocity (and possibly V/Cream). So third racquet or buy your own stringing machine.
ByeByePoly
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@ByeByePoly , sounds like you have no issues with fb Velocity and tonic/Cream. Maybe fb Cream would be ok, but there was that twinge (maybe Cream dying juuuust enough?) I think you've got your answer. Cream is about the "stiffest" poly you should go and quite possibly only in a hybrid like V/Cream.
But you might be bored of only playing with tonic/Cream and fb Velocity (and possibly V/Cream). So third racquet or buy your own stringing machine.
@esgee48 and @Shroud are rubbing off on you ... your troublemaker is showing.
You mentioned Cream came out of the racquet dead. When you strung it ... did it feel elastic for a poly? I think my stringer had commented that it did.
Hoping V 16 55/V 17 50 works great, and I will just forget about poly. My guess is Cream as a cross strung often enough (1-2 months) would never hurt my arm. That takes care of itself in the summer. But I may not play at all in winter ... or maybe once a week. I like the idea that no string sitting in my racquet (say next spring) is a risk.
Go with what doesn't hurt your arm. Hybrid poly/ gut or poly/syn-gut @ 44/48 if you venture into poly again.
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BlueB
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Why would he do poly/gut instead of more comfy and better performing gut/poly?
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ByeByePoly
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Why would he
do something other than what he said he was going to do Velocity 16/Velocity 17? Playing with the string/tension that doesn't hurt your arm would be my first suggestion. Velocity
It would be safe to say that this guy likes the way poly plays on some level. Through injury, through his name being byebyepoly and still going back to it..he likes the way poly plays. You can retain the poly feel by putting poly in the mains and soften the string bed with gut or syn-gut to make it easy on the arm. The tension is a huge factor as well. I see allot of people playing 40/44 - 44/48 and hybrid s play excelllent at those tensions. I played hybrid in a RF97 from 44/48-48/52 and it plays well.
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Traffic
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Cream is a touch more elastic than a typical poly. But still tensions like a poly. What was more noticeable was how it would bend at each crest and valley of the mains if you left it there for a few minutes (like grabbing a glass of water between weaving/tension or especially if I make a mistake and have to back out the weave). Typically poly wouldn't bend like that at each string. Make pulling the slack out near the end of the crosses a lot harder.
Maybe an illustration would be that Cream is more like dead lump of clay plastic vs most poly are like wirey plastic.
ByeByePoly
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Good visual with "dead clay plastic" ... and we all know you went for beer and not water.
Wasn't it Cream @392Hemi hit with a hammer?
I will now get to know Tonic/Cream better until 17G black Velocity comes in. I am going to try and hit tomorrow morning ... but not play yet with hamstring. I will post V 16/V 17 impressions in the Velocity thread.
FYI ... I read somewhere that your V1 Pro has a more open 16 x 19 than mine. Not sure if true, but would give you more ts with yours.
Ignatz Tushwop
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Had a reel of Tourna bh silver 16 last summer, when I learned how to string my racquets.
It felt softer played better then cream.
Cream was ok perhaps it gets better after 6 hours. I cut it out after 3rd session.
Cyclone 19 is soft 110 gauge full bed 52 lbs.
Easy on the arm.
It felt softer played better then cream.
Cream was ok perhaps it gets better after 6 hours. I cut it out after 3rd session.
Cyclone 19 is soft 110 gauge full bed 52 lbs.
Easy on the arm.
BlueB
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Right on ^Why would he
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ByeByePoly
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It's actually surprising how poly-like Velocity is. It's a strange multi. If you compared fb Velocity 16g @55 to fb Baseline 16g @45 ... it's in the same ballpark. Close enough for me to make the poly risk not worth it.
Appreciate the input ... but BBP is really BBP this time.
For sure, my #1 goal is to play with zero pain. Takes the enjoyment out of it if a setup causes pain no matter how well I can play with it. I play really well with Luxilon Alu Power around 58 in my Wilson racquets but it would be like a ticking time bomb. Instead I am around 48-50 with zero pain.
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ByeByePoly
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"ticking time bomb"
My TE hit me without the ticking last year. Hardly any warning. That's why I dropped it so quick this time. It would be one thing if it always came with enough warning. It's quite another for "wow ... can't serve or hit FHs in this 2nd set" being instantly out of tennis for 8 months.
The ONLY reason I tried fb poly again was I really thought I was 100% healed. Actually ... that's the most important takeaway from this IMO. Some post TE elbows will never be 100% … the tendon is degraded. But I already won. Last summer I was wondering if tennis was over ... and this summer hitting full serves and FHs with no sign of TE with non-poly. I will take it.
Shroud
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What stick are you using??
ByeByePoly
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I was using 2008 PD transitioning to old Pure Strike when TE hit past year. I bought the V1 (sig) for TE and it has worked great this summer ... TE healed.
Shroud
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Sorry. Sigs dont show on my phone for some reason.
Yikes. Glad the volkl helped. One of the worst arm busters i hit with was the organix 6. Ugh that volkl handle tech is crap. Vibes man vibes. Sent it to a friend and he stopped using it because of arm pain. Like that middle thing on that racquet.
Lol. Babs are notorious for te...
ByeByePoly
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Volkl Organix V1 Pro. Very comfortable muted 68 RA ... handle and grommet thing working great on mine.
Shroud
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68? I read on these boards that was an arm wrecker...Volkl Organix V1 Pro. Very comfortable muted 68 RA ... handle and grommet thing working great on mine.
ByeByePoly
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No ... it plays more arm friendly than a 68. That's what most of them said in the TW review.
Shroud
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Not possible. Fake fake super fake news.
